Why do HORSE TIPS lose 95% of the time?

[Fishhead]

Seriously, it seems these TIPS hit once in every 20 chances.......it's really amazing.

Hell, I was 0-2 a few days ago, I can give losing tips with the best of them, thank you very little.

[Fishhead]

I think I'm 0 for my last 104 with Tips I've recieved in forumville.............perhaps I should stop betting these things.

[Ralphie1412]

because its a total crap shoot, and anyone who says they know what they are doing is full of shit.

[minet123]

Because so many punters try and find value in figures where none exists
Horses are probably more temperamental than humans and while you can figure that into a football game when Susie cheerleader breaks up with star QB who knows how Running stalllion will react if the cute mare blows him off

[Fishhead]

because its a total crap shoot, and anyone who says they know what they are doing is full of shit.

Ralphie, I'm a lifetime winner with the trotters/pacers.........hard to believe, but true(been around harness racing since I was a child, so know a little more than your average joe)........................Still, if I bet the pacers everynight for the next 60 days, I may end up going in the RED lifetime.........my winnings over the years are a spoonful.

[sharpcat]

Because if somebody was truly sharp and had inside knowledge they would tell you the wrong horse to improve the odds on their horse, don't you do this all the time on the forums to set up scalps on matchbook?

Pari-mutual pool makes horse racing a dog eat dog world

[Fishhead]

Because if somebody was truly sharp and had inside knowledge they would tell you the wrong horse to improve the odds on their horse, don't you do this all the time on the forums to set up scalps on matchbook?

Pari-mutual pool makes horse racing a dog eat dog world

[jw]

I would never blindly follow anyone ... until they have proven they can show consistent profits for at least a couple of months ... anyone can hit an exacta or tricast or pick 6 from time to time .... most touts even pick 3 or 4 horses in each race and then claim they have the "winner" in each one ...

I'd never follow any tip that didn't come alongside an accurate profit/loss statement from the past few months.

[Fishhead]

I would never blindly follow anyone ... until they have proven they can show consistent profits for at least a couple of months ... anyone can hit an exacta or tricast or pick 6 from time to time .... most touts even pick 3 or 4 horses in each race and then claim they have the "winner" in each one ...

I'd never follow any tip that didn't come alongside an accurate profit/loss statement from the past few months.

Good luck finding any...............

[Holtgetsback]

Only way to beat horse racing is to be big time with rebates and inside info

I know a few who do it

[grekos]

My opinion to make money on horses you have to bet maiden races only.If you get a tip from a trainer or owner bet it.If your betting allowance or claiming races on tips or bias you got no shot .

[jw]

Good luck finding any...............

They are out there ...... I'm good friends with two "pro's" that I met on horse racing forums ... both make a full-time living from horse racing ..... (they are in the UK) i'd gladly put my money down on anything that they told me they liked ...

[Fishhead]

Only way to beat horse racing is to be big time with rebates and inside info

I know a few who do it

HOLT, I like the avatar........as well as tagline(HOLT A-)

[bigdog3580]

I've been around horses, owners and trainers. Trainers know just as little about how a horse is going to run as we do. Unless the horse is juiced, you are better off throwing the "tipped" horse out of your plays. I agree about tips are like 1 in 20. When I get a tipped horse now I immediately throw it out, and that, at least, makes for less horses to handicap.

[minet123]

My opinion to make money on horses you have to bet maiden races only.If you get a tip from a trainer or owner bet it.If your betting allowance or claiming races on tips or bias you got no shot .

Maiden Races ?


I guess if your getting inside info it as good as any other system for Maidens

[jw]

Maiden Races ?

I agree - for me - they are the first races I throw out each day .... for others ... they are where the money is to be made ... I think specializing in certain race types is one way to narrow the edge ....

Personally I only place my big bets in non-maiden sprint races where all horses form is well exposed.

[grekos]

A first timer that can run vs a bunch of maidens that will always be maidens is where the money is.

[INVEGA MAN]

watch tvg and they will tell you if a baffert horse is alive. He told them 2 weeks ago and he also told everybody on his facebook his horse was going to win. He said he wanted to let his friends win some money when they interviewed him. Only paid 3.40 but i won a $100. i am going to Del Mar tomorrow and I will be watching Bob.

[tunaguitar76]

Two weeks after I turned 18 I went to an OTB with a friend and his shady uncle. Guy taught us all of the basics and what he looked at to pick winners. This guy seemed to know more about horses than I knew about anything. I go to the window and place my first bet, come back and I'm all excited... race ends and none of the horses in my trifecta even came in. I'm like.. wtf.. how could all this wonderful info not help. Turns out I bet on the wrong race... next race goes off, all three come in and I win 440+. I hit an exacta for like 180 and picked two small winners that day. By the end of the day, the guy was asking me for info. Come on, I bet on the wrong race and knew nothing when I first came in.. what could I possibly know. I realized that day, the only difference between ponies and the lotto is... these balls have 4 legs and a tail.

I know some people seem to consistently make money with it. I went about 3 more times before I decided I was never going to be one of them.

[jgray]

Ralphie, I'm a lifetime winner with the trotters/pacers.........hard to believe, but true(been around harness racing since I was a child, so know a little more than your average joe)........................Still, if I bet the pacers everynight for the next 60 days, I may end up going in the RED lifetime.........my winnings over the years are a spoonful.

FH, really? You've made consistent money on the trotters? I'm heading to the trotters tonight and have no expectation of winning, just entertainment. Seems like everytime I think I have a race pegged, the damn thing breaks stride and I'm screwed. If you do well there, you are either really lucky (maybe offsetting the 0 for 100+ streak you are on betting tips) or you've tamed the inherently random. Either way, well done.

[KC]

I work at Belmont and get tips all the time that often lose. Horsemen become very close to their animals and want them to do well and convince themselves they are better than they are. So many things can go wrong in a two minute race, the best you can hope for in a tip is the horse is sound and the connections are trying.

[Fishhead]

FH, really? You've made consistent money on the trotters? I'm heading to the trotters tonight and have no expectation of winning, just entertainment. Seems like everytime I think I have a race pegged, the damn thing breaks stride and I'm screwed. If you do well there, you are either really lucky (maybe offsetting the 0 for 100+ streak you are on betting tips) or you've tamed the inherently random. Either way, well done.

Let me give you a few MINOR pointers when betting HARNESS RACING...........................


1. NEVER wager on a TROTTER, only PACERS...........TROTTERS will break stride often

2. Try and wager on CLAIMING races, they are much easier to handiap when compared to many other types of races...check to see if they are moving up or down in class.

3. Pay attention to DRIVER CHANGES from previous race, and determine if its an upgrade or downgrade, and also be aware that it is better to have a DRIVER consistantly on the same horse.

4. Look for a horse with good last quarter times in recent races.

5. Look for a horse that will have a significant POST POSITION change when compared to its last 3-5 races.........closer to the rail is almost always better in harness racing and at most tracks, meaning 1-3 has a huge advantage over the 7-9 post and viceversa.

[jw]

the best you can hope for in a tip is the horse is sound and the connections are trying.

[illmatick]

im 3-0 on horse tips, guy named Kiwi over at majorwager has never posted a losing play, it's ridiculous, look him up if you don't believe me

[Dirty Sanchez]

My dad used to always tell me..."Horses can't read the tote board"

[Lib208]

My dad used to always tell me..."Horses can't read the tote board"

Sounds like you had a degenerate dad.

[neila]

I humbly suggest, that what draws people to the track in the first place does not work. In the long run, if you like the thrill of gambling, you will lose. if you like action, i.e. bet every race, you will lose. If you follow tips, you will lose. The only strategy IMO that works, long term, is solid handicapping and discipline so tight it'll make your head hurt. Of course, this takes all the fun out of it. I have sat through many a card and only bet 2 races. Sometimes less. I have waited on races that I liked only to have my horse go off too short to profit and had to pass on the race. The fact is, there is easier money to be made elsewhere, for example, the stock market. Of course, this is just my opinion and I realize others will vary.

[jjgold]

Anyone that gives any horse pick is usually a loser unless like 1-1

[jw]

Anyone that gives any horse pick is usually a loser unless like 1-1

The guys in the sports forum bet @ less than 1-1 money all day long .. and yet in horse racing people turn their noses up at short price favorites .... weird ...

[Dirty Sanchez]

"Sounds like you had a degenerate dad"....no actually he was pretty cool bozo

[jw]

I have waited on races that I liked only to have my horse go off too short to profit and had to pass on the race.

That is why .... on the 8th day ..... after he'd had a nice rest ..... god invented BETFAIR

[str]

Because at least 50% of the time people will listen to anyone.
Unbelievable!

[mtneer1212]

Because most times, tips are on horses that are 20-1 morning line then get bet down to about 5-1. People say 'he's live'. At 20 to 1, a horse should win about 1 out of 20. So 95% of the time, they lose.

[HedgeHog]

Same reason sports lock bets lose 70% of the time: It's morons betting the obvious IMO.

[brxbmbers42]

The only horse tips that win are if you get from a jockey in the race. Have gotten a couple tips from a jockey. even money shots that rolled. no big prices.