Andy Sutton deserves death

[statnerds]

and any other player that may get injured in this game is completely on the hands of McCreary.

good thing NHL cracked down on those shots to the head. elbow to the head while leaving his feet ends up knocking a player out cold is not a penalty though.

Leopold will probably be done for the playoffs and this cocksukker is still in the game?

will he even get a 1 game suspension?

[jnickell100]

Im not sure he deserves death lol but that was brutal. He definitely deserves a suspension of some sort.

[TJ EasyStreet]

I know I am going to get screamed at for saying this so let me first say I am neither a Penguins nor a Senators fan, just an impartial observer. Unfortunate hit but I am not sure he should be suspended as that is probably what is going to happen. He will because of the zero tolerance, but I still maintain that they should only suspend on intent and it appeared he just tried to throw a hip check and had to change his plan at the last second ... resulting in the shot to the head.

[Soxsfan9]

You can not suspend him for that Leopold had his head down. Its playoff hockey!!!

[jnickell100]

You can not suspend him for that Leopold had his head down. Its playoff hockey!!!

its not that he had his head down and i think we can all agree that he shoulda had his head up. The shot was an elbow right to the side of the head and he launched himself at the pitt player(forget name).

[Lee Jones]

It was a clean check period. Leopold was not defending himself at all which you have to do at all times on the ice. It was unfortunate the way it turned out but things like this happen, there was no attempt to go for his head. I guarantee you he will not be suspended.

His elbow may or may not have connected with his head. He definitely did not stick it out or even intend for that to happen at all though. The sens got some big mean dudes on their team and Leopold knows better especially in the playoffs. They can't just let him go up the side boards like that without punishing him.

[dooman14]

clean check never go thru netural zone with head down thats what happens i counted 4 tweety birds flying around his head heehehehe

[bigbank]

clean hit but will probably get suspended anyway

[snipeshow23]

It was a clean check period. Leopold was not defending himself at all which you have to do at all times on the ice. It was unfortunate the way it turned out but things like this happen, there was no attempt to go for his head. I guarantee you he will not be suspended.

His elbow may or may not have connected with his head. He definitely did not stick it out or even intend for that to happen at all though. The sens got some big mean dudes on their team and Leopold knows better especially in the playoffs. They can't just let him go up the side boards like that without punishing him.

well said... couldnt agree more. but... he will probably get suspended for one reason, it was against the pittsburgh bettmans..

[Lee Jones]

Won't happen. They can't just start suspending people for clean hits, that turn out bad because the victim was not looking and was smaller the person that hit them.

[EmceeDusty]

Go watch his post game interview. Its so good.

[DennisGreen]

Clean hit. "Are you an expert?" This is like the AI practice video almost. He says expert like 6 times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab1mHvywIqI

[MathewXB]

By NHL rules it is a clean hit. Plus as being a player most of my life I have given and received hits just like it. He had the puck and was hit face to face. The problem is that some of the NHLers have forgotten the number one rule in hockey............................... KEEP YOUR EFFING HEAD UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This way you do not get creamed in that manner.

XB

[statnerds]

of course there was no ill intention, Sutton is such a clean player. if you don't know the game shut the fukk up, or learn it. 1. left skates. 2. elbow to head.



or this one



but in fact, he is a cunt



Roberts 6'2" 212
Sutton 6'6" 245

[TJ EasyStreet]

Ah, the learn the game argument. My favorite. It usually only appears after at least three dissenting opinions and/or one very well-worded retort. Often uttered by people who don't have as much ice time as they'd like everyone to believe. Utterer also relies on the "I don't care what you think" argument when cornered.

[TJ EasyStreet]

Forgive me if I came off too confrontational. I just reread my post and figured I'd say this. I am just watching the slippery slope and cause-and-effect ruin hockey. And every time a discussion turns into an argument, it always comes down to who is an expert and who has more ice time. I just tire of the kneejerk reactions because I fear where this game will be in thirty years.

They created/strengthened the instigator penalty and THAT is the problem. Even further, the more you penalize these hits (excluding the grotesque ones, mind you) the more it fulfills its own prophecy. Any hit the to head is a match penalty and/or suspension? Well, I don't need to learn how to skate with my head up. Boarding being called 500% more? Oh, I'll spin to face the boards when being checked, maybe I'll draw something.

Maybe I am wrong and buying into the supposed fallacy of slippery slope, but I still get irritated because the cost outweighs the reward. If I am wrong and overreacting, well then, its just egg on my face. If I am right and the constant complaints about every hit ultimately lead to more and more legislation, then I think my anger is warranted. Hell, we are at the point where YouTube comments (and, yes, it is only YouTube but for the most part, these are ticket buyers and, maybe, influential people) are arguing whether a clean hit was necessary. I remember when Stevens crushed Willis with a brutal yet clean hit with under a minute remaining, people were crying that he didn't need to do that. I nearly fell out of my seat!

So, once again, forgive me if I came across snippy.

[BigdaddyQH]

It's hockey. Stop your crying. Just because you took Pitt -1.5 and lost does not mean that the hit was dirty. I suppose you are one of those fans that wants to trun pro football into flag football. The NHL needs more of these type of hits, not less. It was a clean hit. No penalty was called. Leave it be.

[snipeshow23]

just a typical pens fan... its obvious youre the one that needs to learn the game. its playoff hockey, not badminton. keep your head up or dish the puck quicker then don't admire your pass.

[statnerds]

It's hockey. Stop your crying. Just because you took Pitt -1.5 and lost does not mean that the hit was dirty. I suppose you are one of those fans that wants to trun pro football into flag football. The NHL needs more of these type of hits, not less. It was a clean hit. No penalty was called. Leave it be.

had Ottawa +.5 +120

had Ottawa in game 1 as well +240

and -1 +374

nice try though

[statnerds]

just a typical pens fan... its obvious youre the one that needs to learn the game. its playoff hockey, not badminton. keep your head up or dish the puck quicker then don't admire your pass.

1. did the NHL warn teams about hits to the head?

2. does Sutton's left elbow not make contact with Leopold's left ear?


Reporter: You didn't know your elbow came up and hit him in the head?
Sutton: Are you asking me or are you telling me?
Reporter: No, I'm asking you.
Sutton: Are you an expert?
Reporter: No, it was on the replay.
Sutton: So you're an expert?
Reporter: No, it was on the replay.
Sutton: You saw it, you're saying you saw it, you're an expert.
Reporter: Yes.
Sutton: You're not an expert.
Reporter: I saw it. I'm asking if you knew you got your elbow up.
Sutton: You're telling me I got my elbow up?
Reporter: It was on the replay.
Sutton: So you're an expert. You know it was up.
And....enter PR representative to get Sutton out of there.

it would be different if Sutton didn't have a history of hitting guys in the head or cheap shots, but he does.

skating with head down...yes.

there is no argument here as you all refuse to state the obvious that left elbow connects to ear. unless you can admit that, there is no further debate. your obvious hatred for this team keeps you from seeing anything wrong with it.

and count me among those frustrated as hell when guys turn their backs to draw the penalty before the hit comes.

[statnerds]

so this is also a clean hit then?

[statnerds]

and this one was clean as well, i mean no penalty was called so

[TJ EasyStreet]

I am a Devils fan so I am too busy hating the Rangers and Flyers to have any ill will towards the Penguins.

Whenever I see arguments made using past hits as evidence, I understand where the complaint is coming from, but I think the math is poor, save for Pronger although I am torn on his just being reckless courtesy of his size or simply vicious. I mean, a guy like Sutton throws 200 hits a year. Some of them are going to get a little interesting, to say the least. Remember, the hittee is going to try and avoid the hit and they are both moving quite fast. As a fan, I am more concerned with hits like the Leroux hit on Patty and Bure on Churla in 1994 ... nobodies or non-contact players that suddenly are throwing elbows. Those are the people we should be screaming about.

Also, let's try and keep the physics lessons to the actual scientists. It wasn't said in this thread, but I grow weary of fans going on about "leaving his feet" when it was just physics that caused it.

[statnerds]

fukk i hate the Devils. love that they added Kovalchuk, who has a healthy hate for Pens from his days in Atlanta.

if he catches him with his head down like that and plasters him into the boards with a shoulder or hip, than i say good hit, keep your head up. speed of the game is a good point, but he did go at his head. that is my main concern. Cooke's hit on Savard was cheap and he should have gotten some suspension time. guys are so big and fast now any head shot is dangerous. he targeted his head and he found it.

do you miss those Stevens open ice hits when guys would try to go east to west entering the Devils' zone?

[TJ EasyStreet]

SOB! I had a nice reply ruined by a Chrome crash. Google, you have failed me where I thought fail couldn't exist!

Long story short

Stevens = good
Headshots = bad
Needing to judge intent from accident = good
Hockey = good

[Rich Boy]

Cheapshot in my mind, but Leopolds fault all the way...

# 1 rule in hockey - keep your fkn head up...

[bigsmitty]

Originally I thought the hit was okay, given the height differential, etc (as the refs did) but seeing the replays-especially the overhead tells me he left his feet with the intent to injure, etc-haha, as if for one second you never inted to injure...but I digress. I'm kind of mixed, I'm with those old schoolers that say protect yourself ata times as I hate this trend of turning into the boards. Still leaving your feet to connect with the elbow is a crock of baloney-Sutt's lights should have been turned out immediately and the league can deal with the reprecussions. I totally wanted to see a reporter grab Sutts and start the pummels...but you know
Cheerio

[MathewXB]

Obviously since he is using the learn the game comment he has most likely never played anything more then a pick-up game.

[Fadeaway Kush]

if you think that was a dirty hit then you are a moron and don't know a thing about the game of hockey.

[statnerds]

if you think that was a dirty hit then you are a moron and don't know a thing about the game of hockey.

insults do a great job of bolstering your argument.

[statnerds]

Obviously since he is using the learn the game comment he has most likely never played anything more then a pick-up game.

possibly the worst argument i have ever read. so you just excluded 328 million Americans from ever commenting on the game.

[statnerds]

Originally I thought the hit was okay, given the height differential, etc (as the refs did) but seeing the replays-especially the overhead tells me he left his feet with the intent to injure, etc-haha, as if for one second you never inted to injure...but I digress. I'm kind of mixed, I'm with those old schoolers that say protect yourself ata times as I hate this trend of turning into the boards. Still leaving your feet to connect with the elbow is a crock of baloney-Sutt's lights should have been turned out immediately and the league can deal with the reprecussions. I totally wanted to see a reporter grab Sutts and start the pummels...but you know
Cheerio

good post sir

i haven't seen an overhead shot. where did you dig that up?

McCreary established very early in the game that he was going to let them play, which allows slashes, clutching, grabbing, interference. but he let Sutton injure Leopold. hmmm...a clean hit that wasn't a head shot but left him knocked out before he hit the ice? anyone, a few minutes later that is followed by Crosby's making Ruutu eat the top of the dasher boards without getting a penalty called.

i prefer tightly called games that limit cheap shots while giving an advantage to the team with higher skill.

[statnerds]

Stevens = good
Headshots = bad
Needing to judge intent from accident = good
Hockey = good

Playoff Hockey = The greatest sporting event on the planet Earth

Just remember, before there was this:



there was this:



Lindros classic example of guy that dominated coming up because of his size so he never learned how to skate with his head up. then he gets to the NHL where you aren't the biggest guy on the ice and you had better keep your fukkin head up or it is lights out.

[Lee Jones]

insults do a great job of bolstering your argument.

So does showing videos of other dirty hits, how is this relative? We understand there are cheap shots in hockey. This hit wasn't cheap, it was just unfortunate how it ended up.

[snipeshow23]

1. did the NHL warn teams about hits to the head?

2. does Sutton's left elbow not make contact with Leopold's left ear?

it would be different if Sutton didn't have a history of hitting guys in the head or cheap shots, but he does.

skating with head down...yes.

there is no argument here as you all refuse to state the obvious that left elbow connects to ear. unless you can admit that, there is no further debate. your obvious hatred for this team keeps you from seeing anything wrong with it.

and count me among those frustrated as hell when guys turn their backs to draw the penalty before the hit comes.

the simple fact about this hit was sutton did not EXTEND his elbow BEFORE he hit leopold. his elbow comes up after he makes contact with leopold because thats how body momentum works when you hit someone. if sutton wasnt a foot taller, than it would have been his shoulder.

let's take a poll and decide whos hit was worse...

Sutton on Leopold or Cooke on Savard

Sutton didn't extend his elbow and try to go for the head, Cooke did... Yet he didn't get suspended cause he plays for Crosby's team.