Consider betting against Canada winning gold on Pinnacle

[MathewXB]

Don't you think going to a shootout with the swiss should have woken them up?

i told you all, it's fixed so canada wins gold in a magical finale

Fixed how in the world do you figure it is fixed? Is it fixed when the US wins something I think not. Not to mention there is not any evidence of any fixing at all. You are simply trying to stir stuff up. So good job. Now if you can bring some proof of cheating go ahead but since there is none you sound like the crazy cart guy at the burger king.

XB

[yisman]

Rooting for Slovakia to pull the upset to grease the skids for Canada.

[yisman]

7-3 told you all this line should have been -200.................i cashed in anyways with Can in regulation +110 cause i knew they were better. russias weak defense and canadas home crowd, just like i said

But you were way off on the line.

I wasn't saying Russia would win. I didn't bet the game at all.

I just felt that your line approximations were well off.

[bigbank]

betting against Canada to win gold would be very unwise at this time.

[yisman]

now, of course. Now the odds have changed drastically, with Sweden and Russia out of the way.

[Eleven]

If anyone can withstand a good peppering, its Halak.

[yunnusan]

it sounds good

[Dark Horse]

Nabokov gave up 6 goals on 23 shots?

These are the same players he faces in the NHL.
He has a .928 save percentage in the NHL. This was .739.
Going back all the way to 2005, do you know how many times he had a worse percentage?
Four times.

Don't leave family members in Russia.

[Jaug]

Nabokov gave up 6 goals on 23 shots?

These are the same players he faces in the NHL.
He has a .928 save percentage in the NHL. This was .739.
Going back all the way to 2005, do you know how many times he had a worse percentage?
Four times.

Don't leave family members in Russia.

If you watched the game you would see that he had no chance on many of the goals. Can't blame Nabokov for this loss, it was the Russian D. As usual people underestimate impact of defense and overestimate impact of goalies. Look at Switzerland they contest every shot and they put pressure on every offensive player. That is the reason why Hiller can save 38/40 shots, with russias D he would have let in just as many goals as Nabokov.

[Regul8er]

Lets go back to the original post! Canada at +228 held tremendous value. After a skate with Germany and a thrashing of Russia, Canada is now -200 at 5dimes. People, its all about VALUE BETTING. When value presents itself whether it be a game or a prop, you must jump on board in order to win in this game. GO CANADA GO

[Dark Horse]

If you watched the game you would see that he had no chance on many of the goals. Can't blame Nabokov for this loss, it was the Russian D. As usual people underestimate impact of defense and overestimate impact of goalies. Look at Switzerland they contest every shot and they put pressure on every offensive player. That is the reason why Hiller can save 38/40 shots, with russias D he would have let in just as many goals as Nabokov.

Bryzgalov only let in one goal and stopped the other 18 shots. Same defense.

Not saying it was fixed, but definitely filing it under suspicious. Every team would have looked great against that kind of goal tending.

[whatsgood5]

Wow, looks like that game Canada played against us was a fluke. They're for real.

[whatsgood5]

Lets go back to the original post! Canada at +228 held tremendous value. After a skate with Germany and a thrashing of Russia, Canada is now -200 at 5dimes. People, its all about VALUE BETTING. When value presents itself whether it be a game or a prop, you must jump on board in order to win in this game. GO CANADA GO

Agreed, was a very smart play at +228

[yisman]

Lets go back to the original post! Canada at +228 held tremendous value. After a skate with Germany and a thrashing of Russia, Canada is now -200 at 5dimes. People, its all about VALUE BETTING. When value presents itself whether it be a game or a prop, you must jump on board in order to win in this game. GO CANADA GO

I still disagree.

The reason the line dropped so much is because Russia and Sweden are gone.

You could've parlayed Slovakia and Canada yesterday if you thought that would happen.

[Raven66]

Incorrect. It's not just the extra game. It's that they got stuck in a brutal bracket.

Had they beaten Team USA, they wouldn't have had to beat Russia and Sweden just to get to the gold medal game.

Thats what happens when you assume, you look like an Idiot.

Canada has it easy now.

[yisman]

Thats what happens when you assume, you look like an Idiot.

Canada has it easy now.

They now have a good path, thanks to beating Russia and Sweden losing.

Way to completely miss the point.

By the way, if you you bet Canada to win gold, you were assuming. So you look like an idiot either way. A win win.

[Raven66]

They now have a good path, thanks to beating Russia and Sweden losing.

Way to completely miss the point.

By the way, if you you bet Canada to win gold, you were assuming. So you look like an idiot either way. A win win.

No I didn't bet Canada or any outright medal.


But I hope its Canada vs USA rematch.

[Regul8er]

I still disagree.

The reason the line dropped so much is because Russia and Sweden are gone.

You could've parlayed Slovakia and Canada yesterday if you thought that would happen.

Sorry yisman, but I think your wrong here. When the lines came out, it was already predetermined that Canada would play Russia in the Q-Finals. So assuming Canada won, the line would have dropped regardless. So basically Canada was +228 to win Gold before playing Russia, they were listed around -155 by the time the game started against Russia, and then became -200 to win Gold after the game.

Basically it tells me Canada to Win Gold at +228 was UNBELIEVABLE VALUE, because it dropped so significantly after winning a game they were heavily favored in. Anyway you try and break this thing down, you CANNOT deny the fact that the books are sh!tting themselves right now.

And I think Sweden being eliminated didn't make a huge difference, because quite honestly when you look at the rosters, Slovakia and Sweden are very evenly matched, and it showed last night.

[yisman]

hell no. They're not evenly matched. Sweden was considered easily the better team. Look at the odds to win the gold.

You can't say "oh, the books don't care which one, because Slovakia won."

No. Slovakia winning was an upset. Sweden to win gold was 6/1 and Slovakia was 30/1 before the games started. You think they're the same? Well, you'd be alone.

As for the odds, you needed Canada to win twice and Sweden to lose for the odds to drop like that.

Of the top three teams, only one is left, and they're playing in their home country.

[yisman]

Pinnacle has Slovakia to win gold at about +2300. Had Sweden won, they'd be way, way less. Maybe about +700, and of course that would've affected the odds on the others, especially Canada.

[Masu485]

Fixed how in the world do you figure it is fixed? Is it fixed when the US wins something I think not. Not to mention there is not any evidence of any fixing at all. You are simply trying to stir stuff up. So good job. Now if you can bring some proof of cheating go ahead but since there is none you sound like the crazy cart guy at the burger king.

XB

You must be under the impression that I'm an American dude waiting for Canada to win so I can jump in here and say "see? Canada fixed it and screwed us."

but no, I'm a canadian too, and that's how i know canada wants this medal more than anything. they'd throw away every other medal just to get the hockey one. there have been 4 constant years of 'hockey is our game' on TV and would be humiliated if they dont win.

secondly, as i stated in a previous post, hockey isn't like any of the other sports. other sports you have athletes training and looking forward to this moment for 4 years and have the motivation to perform at their best. in hockey, most of the players have their own teams and are paid very handsomely and the olympics is 2nd rate to their own leagues. the only motivation americans have is that they are sick of hearing canada say hockey's their game. if america loses, they won't cry and say 'i've been training for this so long and the dream is dead', they shrug it off overnight and go back to their millions.

so not only does canada have the most motivation to win, a fix won't hurt anyone and will just be a little bit unfair, without shattering dreams, and canada can claim it's place officially as best hockey country on home soil. and they will make it a magical final game also, like i said, either a win in OT, or a come from behind victory. a dramatic conclusion.

[Regul8er]

And yisman, thats why there was TREMENDOUS VALUE on Slovakia last night. +1.5, -140.....are you kiddin me.

The bookmakers have not been on their proverbial "A" game for the Olympic games. OK tell me what you think Canada would be to win Gold had Sweden won....-160, -170. Either way a drop from +228 to -160 (low end) by winning one game over a Russian team they were favored over doesn't make sense. The books screwed up royally, and tonnes of people got the value bet in with Canada.
And please yisman don't bring the Germany game to the table when you counter in effecting the opening odds.

[yisman]

the bottom line is you would've lost points to me as well if you had any to bet with.

Call it books being off their game or whatever you want to say, but it is what it is.

[KingKolzig]

I have to agree with yisman on this one slovakia is not in swedens class. sweden is an organized bunch of veteran pros who ran into a very lucky slovakian club that made the most of their 13 or so shots. i mean really perfect shots on the few good scoring chances they had...........but the Canada +228 was such a nice value. Yes they had to play an extra game vs Germany, but they were +110 at the start of the tournament, and there was no guarantee they would be getting a bye in the first round at that +110 line. And yes i know the date with Russia was set at +228 but they probably would have had to play them anyways at some point. The books screwed the pooch on +228, Canadas roster has no weaknesses what so ever. Hall of famers in their prime playing on home turf, EZ money

[The General]

Good thread guys. Thanks

[Metalhead]

I don't understand how someone can say that Slovakia is not in the same class as Sweden. If you watched Slovakia play against Russia then you would know that they played a better game against them, then the US did against Canada. Defense isn't a problem for Slovakia, but scoring is. I do agree that Sweden is the better team, but if you watched all the games you'd see that Regul8er is right to say the +1.5 was good value.

At any rate, Chara logging 27 minutes against Canada isn't going to be enough to stop the Canadians. I don't see Slovakia scoring more than 2 goals with all the offensive zone time Canada will have. Go Canada Go!

[KingKolzig]

I don't understand how someone can say that Slovakia is not in the same class as Sweden. If you watched Slovakia play against Russia then you would know that they played a better game against them, then the US did against Canada. Defense isn't a problem for Slovakia, but scoring is. I do agree that Sweden is the better team, but if you watched all the games you'd see that Regul8er is right to say the +1.5 was good value.

At any rate, Chara logging 27 minutes against Canada isn't going to be enough to stop the Canadians. I don't see Slovakia scoring more than 2 goals with all the offensive zone time Canada will have. Go Canada Go!

sweden was -425 to win that game. if they played again it would be -350..........thats a whole different class my friend

[lakerboy]

The bottom line in this thread is that Canada is gonna win gold and yisman will never admit he was wrong. Yisman it was so obvious the USA beating canada was good for canada because they got an easy game against germany and then got momentum and slapped around russia. The swedes would have got there ass kicked by Canada as well. The bet a+220 or whatever had great value like reguler said. The canadian team turned it on when they felt like it. You play the competition in front of you. Anyways hopefully the usa can make the gold medal game.

[yisman]

The bottom line in this thread is that Canada is gonna win gold and yisman will never admit he was wrong. Yisman it was so obvious the USA beating canada was good for canada because they got an easy game against germany and then got momentum and slapped around russia.

Horrible logic. But I've come to expect that from you.

I don't deny that if you bet Canada to win gold before the Germany game, your bet looks great and you can hedge.

lakerboy, of course, was noticeably absent then, and only shows up now.

[lakerboy]

Horrible logic. But I've come to expect that from you.

I don't deny that if you bet Canada to win gold before the Germany game, your bet looks great and you can hedge.

lakerboy, of course, was noticeably absent then, and only shows up now.

Just pulling your style. You know how you always tell people they are wrong after the fact. Anyways like I said you were never gonna admit you were wrong. To be honest though i never saw this thread until this morning.

[whatsgood5]

I don't see any way Canada doesn't take gold now

[Jaug]

sweden was -425 to win that game. if they played again it would be -350..........thats a whole different class my friend

I think this was one of the weirdest lines of the tourney. Sweden was of course the better team but who the hell bet Sweden at -400 or so ML, just ridiculous. Of course easy saying this after the game but Slovakia are solid defensively so +300 vs Sweden was a gift for anyone who took it.

[Jaug]

I don't see any way Canada doesn't take gold now

If Finland beats USA I think that Canada has this gold, if US wins then it's going to be a tough game.

[yisman]

Just pulling your style. You know how you always tell people they are wrong after the fact.

Wrong again. You're really doing well in this thread, lakerboy. Above your standards.

If Finland beats USA I think that Canada has this gold, if US wins then it's going to be a tough game.

Assuming Canada beats Slovakia, they're going to be a pretty heavy favorite in the finals based on what they did to Russia.

Finland is a good team, though, and you're making a mistake by underestimating them.

[lakerboy]

[quote=yisman;3321413]Wrong again. You're really doing well in this thread, lakerboy. Above your standards.


Yes Yisman you win. You advised everyone not to bet on canada to win gold cause they had to win 4 games agaisnt Germany, Russia, Slovakia(you figured sweden) and USA/Finland. You win Yisman you are right once again. Congratulations you are right. You as a senior member of this forum advise all members (especially those noobs that are aplenty here) not to take a very +ev bet cause of your opinion that Canada couldnt win 4 games in a row cause you thought it was too hard to do and not worth it. Anyways enjoy your day.