Canucks locker room clean out and Gillis press conference. - Happening now

[DwightShrute]

Happening Now
Canucks locker room clean out and Gillis press conference.
Watch Live: http://t.co/LGogfkPf9Y

or watch below. Gillis suppose to speak at 3pm ET

http://www.youtube.com/canucks

[bobbyk1133]

"The cap is going down by 10%, we need to have young guys in the system."

whoooPs

Sooner this clown resigns, faster they can turn this sinking ship around.

[DwightShrute]

the most wins by any team the last 4 seasons. No need to panic. They are a a move or two away from challenging again for the Cup.

[bobbyk1133]

With the new alignment, I think there's a good chance they miss the playoffs next year. They won't be able to feast on the worst division any longer and inflate their regular season points.

[DwightShrute]

With the new alignment, I think there's a good chance they miss the playoffs next year. They won't be able to feast on the worst division any longer and inflate their regular season points.

same division and conference they won previous 2 years? Just making the playoffs nowadays is a big achievement. Criticize them for winning their division 5 years in a row including a couple President trophies if you want. I see the glass half full.

Sure there's a chance they will miss the playoffs. Lots of parity in the NHL. Just ask the Flyers, Devils (who made the finals last year and lost to the #8 seed in the West), Sabres, Coyotes, and Preds. How are those teams feeling about their season and future?

Detroit almost missed the playoffs. the Wild spent a ton of cash and were one period away from missing the playoffs to the Blue Jackets.

I don't see the panic here. It could be a lot worse. We had tons of injuries all year. Kesler and Booth to name a couple. and still we finished 3rd in the conference. I like this team and their future looks good.

[Vegas39]

I disagree Dwight your teams in need of more adjustments than a player or 2.

[bobbyk1133]

same division and conference they won previous 2 years? Sure there''s a good chance they will miss the playoffs. Lots of parity in the NHL. Just ask the Flyers, Devils (who made the finals last year and lost to the #8 seed in the West), Sabres, Coyotes, and Preds. How are those teams feeling about their season and future?

I don't see the panic here. It could be a lot worse. We had tons of injuries all year. Kesler and Booth to name a couple. I like this team and their future looks good.

They won't be winning the division that's for sure. Now they'll have to contend with real teams like SJ and LA. With the exception of Edler and Schneider, the core of this team is on the downswing of their careers. They won't be able to lead them to a championship without considerable help. Kesler can't stay healthy anymore and when he is, he's nowhere close to the dominating Selke winner he used to be.

Bringing up previous seasons is kind of irrelevant since they aren't built for the playoffs anymore. Getting owned two years in a row wasn't some freak occurrence. I'd probably put them 7th best on the conference now and teams below them will soon surpass them as their young talent matures.

[DwightShrute]

its not easy getting a good team nowadays if you are doing well in the regular season. You don't get the first round franchise players. The Kings, Islander and Leafs were so shitty for so long, they were able to get young players with good potential. And even then there is no guarantee.

Are you guys as critical of the Devils , Flyers, Preds and Coyotes who missed the playoffs as you are of Vancouver?

[Vegas39]

Yes Flyers a bigger mess than you. I just think your team needs more than tweaking at this point. Maybe a new coach and GM

[DwightShrute]

They won't be winning the division that's for sure.

you dont know that.

'Now they'll have to contend with real teams like SJ and LA. With the exception of Edler and Schneider, the core of this team is on the downswing of their careers. They won't be able to lead them to a championship without considerable help. Kesler can't stay healthy anymore and when he is, he's nowhere close to the dominating Selke winner he used to be.

Bringing up previous seasons is kind of irrelevant since they aren't built for the playoffs anymore.

huh? This series could be 2-2 easy with game 5 tonight.

Now they'll have to contend with real teams like SJ and LA.

I'd probably put them 7th best on the conference now and teams below them will soon surpass them as their young talent matures.

we actually finished ahead of those teams AGAIN despite all the injuries. 7th to 3rd or 2nd or even 1st isn't that much of a point difference anymore. LA squeeked in last year and we played the first 3 without Sedin who was cheap shotted by Duncan Keith a few days before and got a concision. Sedin was playing great last year. No way LA beats us last year if he played from game 1.

You gotta be very lucky to win the Cup. Only one does it every year.

[DwightShrute]

Yes Flyers a bigger mess than you. I just think your team needs more than tweaking at this point. Maybe a new coach and GM

they ain't that far off either. it's a fine line from winning to not making the playoffs. Think about the wasted years in Tampa Bay for example. All that young talent and they never got a goalie. Same in Long Island. Pittsburgh even? What a waste of years. Luongo was available.

[bobbyk1133]

its not easy getting a good team nowadays if you are doing well in the regular season. You don't get the first round franchise players. The Kings, Islander and Leafs were so shitty for so long, they were able to get young players with good potential. And even then there is no guarantee.

Are you guys as critical of the Devils , Flyers, Preds and Coyotes who missed the playoffs as you are of Vancouver?

No one was surprised NJ missed the playoffs. They were due for a regression.

PHI deserve just as much shit for putting all that faith/$$$ in mr universe and not doing much about their defense, but they also have one of the best group of young forwards in the league so they are in a great position to improve.

Preds and Yotes aren't even comparable given their financial restrictions. Given what they have to work with, they are a much better run organization than Vancouver.

Look at what the Hawks did. They got in huge cap trouble after winning the cup, but due to shrewd roster moves and developing young talent, they are right back at the top.

[bobbyk1133]

we played the first 3 without Sedin who was cheap shotted by Duncan Keith a few days before and got a concision. Sedin was playing great last year. No way LA beats us last year if he played from game 1.

No way? Advanced stats told us that LA was far superior than their seeding last year which is why I bet them to win that series. And that's also part of the problem for the Nucks. If they lose 1 or 2 of their top six forwards, there's virtually nobody to come in an replace the production. You need secondary scoring and Vancouver can't even produce goals when everyone IS in the lineup. How many goals did the Sedins produce in the last 9 playoff games? 1? 2?

[DwightShrute]

No one was surprised NJ missed the playoffs. They were due for a regression.

PHI deserve just as much shit for putting all that faith/$$$ in mr universe and not doing much about their defense, but they also have one of the best group of young forwards in the league so they are in a great position to improve.

Preds and Yotes aren't even comparable given their financial restrictions. Given what they have to work with, they are a much better run organization than Vancouver.

Look at what the Hawks did. They got in huge cap trouble after winning the cup, but due to shrewd roster moves and developing young talent, they are right back at the top.

No one was surprised NJ missed the playoffs? Ya ok then.

and how bad were the Hawks before the Cup win? Not just how bad but how many years were they bad? Ya they look good for the next few years no doubt.

You are obviously a Canuck hater and no matter what they do, you will be all over them. That's fine. We will have to agree to disagree and see what happens. I wouldn't be surprised to see them challenge for the Cup as soon as next season.

[DwightShrute]

No way? Advanced stats told us that LA was far superior than their seeding last year which is why I bet them to win that series. And that's also part of the problem for the Nucks. If they lose 1 or 2 of their top six forwards, there's virtually nobody to come in an replace the production. You need secondary scoring and Vancouver can't even produce goals when everyone IS in the lineup. How many goals did the Sedins produce in the last 9 playoff games? 1? 2?

you gotta be lucky and healthy to win the Cup last year. Kings got lucky last season. For several years they were arguably the worst franchise in the league. That futility got them some good young players in the draft and years later it paid off. A healthy Sedin and they would have been gone in the first round last year. No question about it. None. Not taking away from the Cup win, just pointing up that so many things have to go in your favour to win the Cup.

BTW, Vancouver lost in the playoffs the last 3 seasons to the eventual Cup winners.

[bobbyk1133]

No one was surprised NJ missed the playoffs? Ya ok then.

and how bad were the Hawks before the Cup win? Not just how bad but how many years were they bad? Ya they look good for the next few years no doubt.

You are obviously a Canuck hater and no matter what they do, you will be all over them. That's fine. We will have to agree to disagree and see what happens. I wouldn't be surprised to see them challenge for the Cup as soon as next season.

What does it matter if I hate them or love them?

The facts speak for themselves. Can't win games if you can't score. Simple as that.

If you think the Sedins, Burrows, and Kesler are going to discover the fountain of youth and return to old glory, good luck with that.

[DwightShrute]

What does it matter if I hate them or love them?

The facts speak for themselves. Can't win games if you can't score. Simple as that.

If you think the Sedins, Burrows, and Kesler are going to discover the fountain of youth and return to old glory, good luck with that.

you don't talk all that much in FACTS when it comes to the Canucks and thus my Canuck hater comment bobby. Just look at the comments you posted. Just these 2 examples alone speak for themselves don't they?

Now they'll have to contend with real teams like SJ and LA.

If there is a bigger playoff disappointment this century than the Sharks, I don't know one. LA the last decade might be the NHL's worse franchise until last year. Leafs and the Islanders might have a case.

With the exception of Edler and Schneider, the core of this team is on the downswing of their careers

huh? you aren't even close to being correct. I see the Canucks average age 25.31 years, Sharks 28.69 years and LA Kings 26.55 years. That was my calculations.

I guess it depends where you look. Some places it have it a little different. With LA being 26.32 , Sharks 26.75 years and Vancouver 26.82 years. Irrelevant you could say. y

What do you consider as being in their downswing of their career? 28 years, 26 years? 32?

[bobbyk1133]

The facts are Nucks haven't been able to score in two playoff years in a row and got bounced by superior teams.

I don't understand your position here? Where will the goals come from? Your big guns of the Sedins and Kesler haven't done much in the playoffs for two years in a row. By the time next year's playoffs arrive, Sedins will be 3 years removed from their cup run. Kesler can't stay healthy anymore. Beyond that it's a bunch of inconsistent scrubs (Hansen being only exception).

Who is the secondary scoring? What if one of your top 4 dmen get hurt? There is zero quality depth behind them.

All you keep referencing is regular season success, which is not what a team is measured by unless you're in rebuilding mode.

I might not like the Nucks, but rose-colored glasses aren't doing you any favors either.

[DwightShrute]

They definitely need to get their scoring touch back.

let me guess that you are from California because any true hockey fan wouldn't use the word superior when describing the Sharks and Kings. Kings had one good year last year. Kudos to them. They are solid and look good this year again.

The Sharks have been the most disappointing playoff team over the last decade (or longer) when you take into account the expectations going in. No other team even comes close.

Those are facts. I only point it out because of the non sense you claim as fact.

Lastly, Regular season does mean a lot. The only ones that pretend it doesn't are fans of teams that rarely do well. You can't win the cup without making the top 8. LA last season barley made it and got a lot of breaks along the way and won it. You were a loss or 2 from missing the post season.

Doom and gloom for Canuck haters I know.

[DwightShrute]

you gotta be so friggen luck in sports. Look at the Colts a couple years ago. They had manning all those years, he gets hurts and misses the entire season, then get the first round pick and it happens to be Andrew Luck.

I mean come on. Look at this year. No franchise QB in the entire draft.

[bobbyk1133]

They definitely need to get their scoring touch back.

let me guess that you are from California because any true hockey fan wouldn't use the word superior when describing the Sharks and Kings. Kings had one good year last year. Kudos to them. They are solid and look good this year again.

The Sharks have been the most disappointing playoff team over the last decade (or longer) when you take into account the expectations going in. No other team even comes close.

Those are facts. I only point it out because of the non sense you claim as fact.

Lastly, Regular season does mean a lot. The only ones that pretend it doesn't are fans of teams that rarely do well. You can't win the cup without making the top 8. LA last season barley made it and got a lot of breaks along the way and won it. You were a loss or 2 from missing the post season.

Doom and gloom for Canuck haters I know.

I've said it's not doom and gloom, but rather a downhill slide in the wrong direction. If there was young talent to get excited about or a ton of cap space, I'd have a different opinion. There are pieces I like such as Hansen, Jensen, Edler, Hamhuis, Schneider. Luongo might be able to fetch a quality prospect, but it's looking less likely now unless they eat a big chunk of his salary.

Ya SJ underachieved for years, but part of the reason I liked them this year to advance was Couture. He's emerged as a superstar talent and was a huge difference-maker this series.

As for LA, yes they were lucky to be healthy and got timely performances from role players to win the cup, but advanced stats don't lie. They were the real deal last year and are legitimate cup contenders this year. Easily among the top 5 teams in the NHL, regardless of seeding. They have bonafide stars that produce in the clutch. All-world goaltending and great defensive depth. They would steamroll the Nucks again this year if they faced off, unless Schneider stood on his head and stole a couple games by himself.

I'd also put ANA ahead of VAN right now. They have the big guns in Perry, Getzlaf, and Ryan and loads of young talent like Etem, Palmieri, Holland, Fowler, Sbisa, Vatanen, Gibson ...

If you look around the league every team is relying more on young stars. They are making a much bigger impact at a younger age and the Nucks havne't followed that blueprint. They thought they could retool the 2010 cup team and continue contending, sacrificing guys like Hodgson, Grabner, and draft picks along the way. Now they are up shit creek with Luongo on their books and a bare prospect pool.

[DwightShrute]

ok me also. I don't get why you don't include Kesler, Booth, Bieksa, Roy, Henrick, Daniel on that list but I don't want to go on.

Thanks for the back and forth. We both know who won.

[DennisGreen]

Get a room you two!

[DwightShrute]

Get a room you two!

[bobbyk1133]

ok me also. I don't get why you don't include Kesler, Booth, Bieksa, Roy, Henrick, Daniel on that list but I don't want to go on.

Thanks for the back and forth. We both know who won.

To be continued next October. We'll make some bets on how things shake out.

Get a room you two!

DG talk some sense into your compadre.

[Deol]

the most wins by any team the last 4 seasons. No need to panic. They are a a move or two away from challenging again for the Cup.

They aren't challenging for the cup anytime soon. They are in decline mode. The most wins isn't that surprising, look at their division. VAN is done, this core isn't winning the cup. Accept it.

[DwightShrute]

They aren't challenging for the cup anytime soon. They are in decline mode. The most wins isn't that surprising, look at their division. VAN is done, this core isn't winning the cup. Accept it.

only 2 teams challenge for Cup each year. That means 93% won't. Most will not even get a sniff in the next 25 years let alone make it to a game 7. Back to back President's Trophies good luck. It the hardest championship to win.

Spin it all you want but they are up there with the best teams and should be for several years to come. I guess we will have to wait and see.

They finished 7th overall in the entire NHL this season.
1st over all in 2012.
1st over all in 2011.
6th over all in 2010.
7th over all in 2009.

[Deol]

They had their chance, they CHOKED at home. They are declining and won't see another finals with this core. The next Canadian team to win Lord Stanley will be the Oilers, yah the Oilers. No-one cares about the Presidents Trophy, and facts are facts, they did finish first overall twice, but the fact is they had the easiest division. It is what it is. Window sealed shut!

[hockey216]

canooks have now lost their last 10 consecutive playoff games. That's 0-10 in their last 10. Sedins are clueless.

[Vegas39]

canooks have now lost their last 10 consecutive playoff games. That's 0-10 in their last 10. Sedins are clueless.

not factual they did win one in LA last year

[nyplayer33]

There isn't many players avail..the pool is limited..he said that during press conference. Therefore, he will be holding on to the scoring he has on this team..unless you want to stinkj up the joint.

[hockey216]

not factual they did win one in LA last year

my apologies. they were down 3-0 and i thought it was 4 game series, but it was 5. thanks for reminding me.

canooks are 1-10 last 11 playoff games.

playoff hockey too physical for Sedins.