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  • SamsNCharge99
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-22-08
    • 41242

    #1
    Guys in 32 Person Tourney....I need you opinion...others are welcome
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by joanapoker
    another system play:

    CHI/NO UNDER 186

    ----------------------------xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-------------------xxxxxxxxxxxxxx----------
    recap:

    system plays:
    MIA/DET UNDER 181 (line is already 179)
    ATL/MIN UNDER 202 (line is already 199.5)
    CHI/NO UNDER 186
    PHX/GSW OVER 229 (line is now at 226.5)



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 007Fatty
    k so i am putting these here for tomorrow so that you dont think im cheating.
    but i may change them if the lines change tomorrow so ill have to see.
    Suns/Gs Over 229.
    Atlanta/Minn Under 202.5
    Suns -3
    La Lakers-8


    i have a couple more but i have a feelings lines may change.. so ill leave it at that.
    thanks for letting me join this man its fun. if i doo win. you can keep going if you want.



    This is suppose to be a tourney that proves who is the best capper, not who can use other picks as his own and win. 2 days in a row, I've proven 007Fatty, my opponent has used another guys "system" plays on O/U.

    today, he gave me early lines, but then edited the post to add or subtract plays. Clearly, you can see the "system" plays and then his plays

    Now, I told him yesterday, I would DQ him for this action. I don't want to, but I'm asking you guys.

    I'm not doing this b/c I'm losing. I'm doing this, b/c this is suppose to prove whose best, not who can use their sources the best.

    SO, SHOULD I DQ him or not.

    LET ME KNOW ASAP

    Thx
  • JGILL50
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 10-31-08
    • 836

    #2
    Dont DQ him you are welcome to play those plays as well. if you are so confident that it is cheating shouldn't you jump on board. Just sayin. its there for everyone to see including you . Good luck Sam
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    • MrMonkey
      SBR MVP
      • 11-09-08
      • 2278

      #3
      Not saying gulity or not guilty, but IMO if anyone here is just using someone else's plays (and can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt) then they should be DQ.

      Man this is for fun, right? I would think we would all have alittle pride in wanting to do our best on our own?

      Sam, I think CK might have to be called in to mediate the situation?

      Mrmonkey
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      • SamsNCharge99
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 10-22-08
        • 41242

        #4
        I know, I asked CK, I'm going to PM him now
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        • Dexter
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 12-24-08
          • 25829

          #5
          this tournament is not about taking picks from others - thats horrible, and he should be dq'd.
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          • The Oddsbreaker
            SBR Hustler
            • 02-03-09
            • 78

            #6
            Originally posted by SamsNCharge99
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by joanapoker
            another system play:

            CHI/NO UNDER 186

            ----------------------------xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-------------------xxxxxxxxxxxxxx----------
            recap:

            system plays:
            MIA/DET UNDER 181 (line is already 179)
            ATL/MIN UNDER 202 (line is already 199.5)
            CHI/NO UNDER 186
            PHX/GSW OVER 229 (line is now at 226.5)


            Quote:
            Originally Posted by 007Fatty
            k so i am putting these here for tomorrow so that you dont think im cheating.
            but i may change them if the lines change tomorrow so ill have to see.
            Suns/Gs Over 229.
            Atlanta/Minn Under 202.5
            Suns -3
            La Lakers-8


            i have a couple more but i have a feelings lines may change.. so ill leave it at that.
            thanks for letting me join this man its fun. if i doo win. you can keep going if you want.



            This is suppose to be a tourney that proves who is the best capper, not who can use other picks as his own and win. 2 days in a row, I've proven 007Fatty, my opponent has used another guys "system" plays on O/U.

            today, he gave me early lines, but then edited the post to add or subtract plays. Clearly, you can see the "system" plays and then his plays

            Now, I told him yesterday, I would DQ him for this action. I don't want to, but I'm asking you guys.

            I'm not doing this b/c I'm losing. I'm doing this, b/c this is suppose to prove whose best, not who can use their sources the best.

            SO, SHOULD I DQ him or not.

            LET ME KNOW ASAP

            Thx

            I'm new to this forum Sam but I would say that if you believe he made an honest mistake and he didn't know the rules, scrap Monday and Tuesday and start from Wednesday with a mandatory amount of games to cap. That way, the fact that you missed being able to cap on Monday and Tuesday will be less significant. If it's clear he knew and cheated anyway, DQ him.
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            • vassman86
              SBR MVP
              • 03-11-08
              • 1042

              #7
              I don't know how anyone can side with 007Fatty. What's the point of entering a handicapping contest and using someone else's picks? There is no point. He's defeating the purpose of this contest. We're supposed to use our own skill to come up with picks of our own.
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              • JGILL50
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 10-31-08
                • 836

                #8
                Originally posted by The Oddsbreaker
                I'm new to this forum Sam but I would say that if you believe he made an honest mistake and he didn't know the rules, scrap Monday and Tuesday and start from Wednesday with a mandatory amount of games to cap. That way, the fact that you missed being able to cap on Monday and Tuesday will be less significant. If it's clear he knew and cheated anyway, DQ him.
                I agree with this. my point was whats the point of a forum where we share picks and insights if we cant share picks and insight
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                • SamsNCharge99
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 10-22-08
                  • 41242

                  #9
                  Originally posted by The Oddsbreaker
                  I'm new to this forum Sam but I would say that if you believe he made an honest mistake and he didn't know the rules, scrap Monday and Tuesday and start from Wednesday with a mandatory amount of games to cap. That way, the fact that you missed being able to cap on Monday and Tuesday will be less significant. If it's clear he knew and cheated anyway, DQ him.
                  If you look at my tourney thread w/ him, Look at yesterday, he did the same thing picking some O/U. I pointed it out saying don't do it again or you will be DQ'ed. He laughed and said OK.

                  Now, today he does it again.
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                  • jtnguyen79
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 09-26-07
                    • 730

                    #10
                    Like you said this is a tourney to see who is the best capper on SBR for NBA so IMHO I say DQ him but then again Sam, I dont think you should be in tourney too just b/c your the moderator and also the one who is handling it this should of been aranged by one of the moderators here at SBR (i dont mean anything bad it's just it seems like everyone would be ganging up on him to DQ him plus I love this tourney b/c all the best cappers are at it)

                    I'm a terrible capper but since all your tourney and post and everyone else here its been helping me win alot of my money back and that is why i love SBR forum

                    but you really need someone that's not in tourney to be handling this just to keep things fair
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                    • SamsNCharge99
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 10-22-08
                      • 41242

                      #11
                      Originally posted by JGILL50
                      I agree with this. my point was whats the point of a forum where we share picks and insights if we cant share picks and insight
                      I understand what you're saying, and that's fine...for REAL $$$.

                      This contest is trying to prove who can handicap games and pick winners the best. IDC if you use other people's picks for real $$.

                      But for this contest/tourney, you're suppose to pick your own games yourself.
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                      • JGILL50
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 10-31-08
                        • 836

                        #12
                        he did it again sam. ok thats it hes out. i didnt know he did it again DQ him
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                        • SamsNCharge99
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 10-22-08
                          • 41242

                          #13
                          Originally posted by jtnguyen79
                          Like you said this is a tourney to see who is the best capper on SBR for NBA so IMHO I say DQ him but then again Sam, I dont think you should be in tourney too just b/c your the moderator and also the one who is handling it this should of been aranged by one of the moderators here at SBR (i dont mean anything bad it's just it seems like everyone would be ganging up on him to DQ him plus I love this tourney b/c all the best cappers are at it)

                          I'm a terrible capper but since all your tourney and post and everyone else here its been helping me win alot of my money back and that is why i love SBR forum

                          but you really need someone that's not in tourney to be handling this just to keep things fair

                          I don't mind not being in the tourney, but then we will need 2 more spots. Or, what I can do is give byes in the next round to those who have the highest win percentage.

                          but, if I'm not in it and do all this work, I'm would want something for it, like $10 a person, since that won't happen, I'm still in it.

                          everyone can verify that I'm not cheating. I DO NOT edit my OFFICIAL PLAYS post, so you know I can't be cheating.
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                          • The Oddsbreaker
                            SBR Hustler
                            • 02-03-09
                            • 78

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SamsNCharge99
                            If you look at my tourney thread w/ him, Look at yesterday, he did the same thing picking some O/U. I pointed it out saying don't do it again or you will be DQ'ed. He laughed and said OK.

                            Now, today he does it again.

                            Wit out a doubt out! lol
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                            • SamsNCharge99
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 10-22-08
                              • 41242

                              #15
                              Originally posted by 007Fatty
                              den.-4.5
                              clev.-10.5
                              bost-2
                              bulls+7.5
                              MIN/IND Over 218
                              CHI/HOU Over 198

                              i might have more laterr:P
                              Quote:
                              Originally Posted by joanapoker
                              no system plays for today!

                              But I'm playing two total bets:

                              MIN/IND OVER 218 (I'm seeing this game well over 220 mark, average combined score when both teams meet is 243)

                              CHI/HOU OVER 198 (The bulls are performing well and scoring 105.6 and allowing 99.4 in past 5 games, the Houston are scoring 102.2 and allowing 100.8! In the past two games between this two teams the average score was 210.5)



                              Originally posted by SamsNCharge99
                              007Fatty...Like I said yesterday, I want the picks to be yours and not some one else's. Just like MACHINE in NCAA, he pays for picks. You are basically doing the same. Those 2 O/U plays that you posted tonight won't count for the contest.

                              MAKE YOUR OWN PLAYS ARE YOU WILL BE DQ. This contest is to prove who is the best, not who can steal the most picks from others.
                              EXHIBIT A.

                              This post is from yesterday. It's on page 2 of my tourney thread w/ 007....there is NO EDIT from me...
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                              • Dexter
                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                • 12-24-08
                                • 25829

                                #16
                                sam should get a new opponnet starting today - wheres obama mania?!
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                                • SamsNCharge99
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 10-22-08
                                  • 41242

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by 007Fatty
                                  haha fricc!
                                  This is what 007 said in response to my last post.....then today


                                  Quote:
                                  Originally Posted by joanapoker
                                  another system play:

                                  CHI/NO UNDER 186

                                  ----------------------------xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-------------------xxxxxxxxxxxxxx----------
                                  recap:

                                  system plays:
                                  MIA/DET UNDER 181 (line is already 179)
                                  ATL/MIN UNDER 202 (line is already 199.5)
                                  CHI/NO UNDER 186
                                  PHX/GSW OVER 229 (line is now at 226.5)



                                  Quote:
                                  Originally Posted by 007Fatty
                                  k so i am putting these here for tomorrow so that you dont think im cheating.
                                  but i may change them if the lines change tomorrow so ill have to see.
                                  Suns/Gs Over 229.
                                  Atlanta/Minn Under 202.5
                                  Suns -3
                                  La Lakers-8


                                  i have a couple more but i have a feelings lines may change.. so ill leave it at that.
                                  thanks for letting me join this man its fun. if i doo win. you can keep going if you want.

                                  This was from today, so I just proved he did this 2 days in a row. I told him yesterday he would be DQ'ed, he said haha friqq, then did it again today
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                                  • Dexter
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 12-24-08
                                    • 25829

                                    #18
                                    but sam - do you have multiple examples that hes def stealing joanas plays? does he admit to it?
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                                    • SamsNCharge99
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 10-22-08
                                      • 41242

                                      #19
                                      i just showed you 2x he did it, i see him on joanas threads all the time asking him questions and stuff, and as I just showed you guys in the last few posts, I told him not to do it and he admitted to doing it, by laughing it off and saying fricc, he did it again. HE"S OUT
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                                      • Dexter
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 12-24-08
                                        • 25829

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by SamsNCharge99
                                        i just showed you 2x he did it, i see him on joanas threads all the time asking him questions and stuff, and as I just showed you guys in the last few posts, I told him not to do it and he admitted to doing it, by laughing it off and saying fricc, he did it again. HE"S OUT
                                        not your decison since he is beating you and you're a tournament participant.

                                        cocknocker must make the decision - no way in the world you get to make a decison on your own match.

                                        i have to run, and dont have time to look into this - but if there are multiple examples, then i say he's out. you start a new match tonight with someone new, and each have to pick 15-20 games.
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                                        • SamsNCharge99
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 10-22-08
                                          • 41242

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Dexter
                                          not your decison since he is beating you and you're a tournament participant.

                                          cocknocker must make the decision - no way in the world you get to make a decison on your own match.

                                          i have to run, and dont have time to look into this - but if there are multiple examples, then i say he's out. you start a new match tonight with someone new, and each have to pick 15-20 games.

                                          if you look at this thread and NBA thread, you will see I say Calling out OBAMA, to join tourney.
                                          Also, in earlier posts in this thread, I say, I don't want to do this b/c he is my opponent, so don't act like I'm doing this to get a win. I know I'm losing,, it doesn't bother me. If he won fair and square, he wins, but this way....no

                                          SO OBAMA...If you read this, please respond
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                                          • 007Fatty
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 01-14-09
                                            • 2267

                                            #22
                                            dude wow your losing so your coming at me?
                                            i posted those last night way before joana posted.
                                            if you want ill take them off wow.
                                            i thought this was for fun i didnt even take joanas plays dude. get a life.
                                            i will take them off and still beat you.
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                                            • JGILL50
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 10-31-08
                                              • 836

                                              #23
                                              ok sam i looked back through yalls thread and i see where he deleted his plays for today. i think he did that just to make u happy and i feel that he really doesnt think he did anything wrong. But its up to u but i think he is trying
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                                              • MexicanStallion
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 09-08-08
                                                • 20429

                                                #24
                                                To his credit, he did orignally post those plays before that one guy posted the plays, but you can consider him following a system perhaps then. I think he deserves a chance if he doesn't play anymore totals like his post in your guys thread. It's up to you though, just my thoughts
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                                                • 007Fatty
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 01-14-09
                                                  • 2267

                                                  #25
                                                  thanks man appreciated for the help.
                                                  at least some people have my back..
                                                  because i didnt mean to do anything wrong
                                                  i had those plays posted last night.
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                                                  • SexyMit
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 10-12-06
                                                    • 6139

                                                    #26
                                                    Does it matter where he gets his plays from? Its a fun contest thats it. Someone could be paying for picks and noone else will know but if he wins he didn't do it on his own. Does that mean he is not good at picking games. You didn't imput that into the rules, just like you can't pick the same game as your opponet which I think should have been a big rule. But hey its for fun, there is no rule for what he is doing so I don't think there is a problem with it. You can't come on here after putting in some plays and change the rules. Whether he follows a system or whatever he is doing, now that you are loseing I don't think that is right.
                                                    If it seems to good to be true it usually is!!

                                                    I have a natural instinct to exploit market ineffieciencies!!
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                                                    • 007Fatty
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 01-14-09
                                                      • 2267

                                                      #27
                                                      thanks man. but he let me back in so thanks for everyones help it means alot.
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                                                      • Dexter
                                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                        • 12-24-08
                                                        • 25829

                                                        #28
                                                        yeah, the more i look at this, hes not exclusively taking johna's plays...he has others mixed in as well.
                                                        but yeah 007, the whole idea is to see who caps the best till the end of the season.

                                                        sam - how many people dropped out and have you added new participants?
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                                                        • 007Fatty
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 01-14-09
                                                          • 2267

                                                          #29
                                                          yea i get it now..
                                                          but the thing is im just so used to taking my plays from that system i just did it automatically. i wont anymore sorry.
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                                                          • Chi_archie
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 07-22-08
                                                            • 63167

                                                            #30
                                                            sorry, but this is kinda lame.....

                                                            somtimes my picks are gonna be the same as some "system" picks, or some handicapper's thread's on here..

                                                            how many people picked Boston yesterday? its impossibe to have original picks when there are only a handful of games. If he wants to use someone's picks on here, because he read a thread, and agreed with the write-up so beat, its a free country...contest or not....in the real world this is how it works.... you get no extra $ from a book, because you don't follow someone else's advice....

                                                            no books are out there saying, 'we won't pay you your money because we have reason to believe that you are tailing "xyz" off the SBR board. Dude coulda had some leans, read a few insightful posts and that strenthened or changed his opinion. Handicapping doesn't have to be in a vacumm... devoid of outside influences...... this is why we gather here, to post picks, throw out ideas, debate games ect...
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                                                            • 007Fatty
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 01-14-09
                                                              • 2267

                                                              #31
                                                              thank you lol
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                                                              • Chi_archie
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 07-22-08
                                                                • 63167

                                                                #32
                                                                I mean basically it comes down to this:

                                                                is he breaking a stated rule that was posted before the contest??????? that would be your only leg to stand on

                                                                yeah, in YOUR mind it might not be in the 'spirit of the game'

                                                                but for you to make that call now SAM, if there was no rule posted against how you get your picks...then it just LOOKS really lame for you to whine about that.......

                                                                I mean, I might tell my opponent that I eat pieces of paper with all the nba picks each morn for breakfast...and whatever I poop out after dinner... I play those...

                                                                he can say, "hey you aren't REALLY capping, this is a handicapping contest and besides, that is GROSS...I am gonna disqualify you for that"....

                                                                now that is a silly example, but basically the same premise here... you are morally offended by how your opponent comes to his decisions but there was no rule against it

                                                                when it is all said and done, if you are trying to beat the books, you use everything and anything to get an edge..

                                                                shitting out picks, asking your dog's opinion, fading Dac and BBD, tailing tosoprano, getting "free picks from touts", flipping coins, fading yourself, looking at trends, ect...

                                                                and guess what all of the above are pretty much the same % wise.... when it comes down to it, you can read some guy's system plays but in the end YOU (or you opponent in this case) has to agree with the pick and say "yeah, i'll put my money or reputation on the line using these picks"

                                                                if this is just a fun contest, for no money, there really should be no controversy...... let's pull our big boy pants on and put the skirts away fellas, whaddya say? if you are confident in your capping ability then it shouldn't matter what method your opponent uses..
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                                                                • Dexter
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 12-24-08
                                                                  • 25829

                                                                  #33
                                                                  so now i took a deeper look into this, and it looks like 007 had a couple of jonas's totals fpr tonight, but then took them down...what the hell was the problem there? he basically used 2 totals that jonah had the other night.

                                                                  at first i was all for banning a guy who was using others picks, but that hardly was the case here.

                                                                  i know you're only 18, but you do have a lot of growing up to do sam. good luck man..
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                                                                  • Chi_archie
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 07-22-08
                                                                    • 63167

                                                                    #34
                                                                    is Sam stopping the contest? what is going on?
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                                                                    • 007Fatty
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 01-14-09
                                                                      • 2267

                                                                      #35
                                                                      no i dont think so.
                                                                      and dont worry you guys im fine.
                                                                      we can stop going against sam.
                                                                      it seems like he is getting it pretty rough right now.
                                                                      lets help the guy out=)
                                                                      if you were down wouldnt you want help?
                                                                      we all need to learn.
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