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  • Stocks
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 11-01-10
    • 569

    #1
    Help with a hockey model
    I'm working on a couple models for hockey and was looking for some help, ideas or feedback

    Method 1

    The first one is similar to a baseball model I got where the basics are you take a teams goals scored divide by the league average then mulitpy by 100 and then divide by the goals against.

    So lets say the averge is 2.75 and Pittsburgh averages 3 goals per game while giving up 2.5 goals per game

    You would divide 3 by 2.75 = 1.09 then mulitply by 100 = 109 then divide by 2.5 = 44

    Then do that with the opponent and lets say they're final number is 30

    You divive 44 by 30 = 1.46 and then multiply by 100 = 146

    Pittsburgh is a -146 favorite

    And then if Pittsburgh is at home add 30 cents -176 (I know this is crude but its just too early in the season to get an accurate home ice advantage for each team)

    The baseball model I got is much more complex then that it has many more factors and weights each of them differently but its the same concept and it uses league min not league average I'm just using league average for my hockey model because its easier to combine the current form number.

    My deal with this method is you can use a bunch of factors for the offense number but for defense your just using goals against or runs against.

    An example from tonights game

    Calgary +129
    Phoenix -129

    actuall line from pinny

    Calgary +111
    Phoenix -120

    I did it for the other games tonight and they all landed in between the juice apart from Tampa but they played 3 games in 4 nights so I dont know how much to adjust the line for that and the Jersey game which I know the is'nt even going to come close becuase the line is kind of retarded having the worst team in hockey as a -170 fav but they are really due to win they're first home game of the season.


    Method 2

    My other model is just converting a football yards per point system to hockey by using goals and shots instead of points and yards. The problem with this method is I get a good predicted score which could be usefull for totals but cant make a usefull line out of it.

    Heres an example from tonights games

    Calgary 2.73
    Phoenix 2.83

    As you can see it could be usefull for game or team totals but getting a usefull line not so much.


    Method 3

    My other thought was nothing really matters in hockey apart from winning the game if a team wins who cares about any other stats. So I was thinking if you take a overall win% plus they're home/away win% and current form last 5 or last 10 games win% and combine them you should in theory get a good idea on how often that team should win.

    The problem with this method is combining win% for each team to get a predicted outcome for a game. If you use log 5 formula you dont get a reasonable answer. Last season the best team was Washington at 67% and the worst team was Toronto at around 33% without adding in home ice advantage with log 5 Washington would be -412 and inreality the game was only in the low -300's with Washington at home.


    So I was just looking for some feedback or thoughts of either of those 3 methods
  • Poogs
    SBR High Roller
    • 04-05-10
    • 116

    #2
    I have been thinking about making an NHL model for a little while now. I have a lot of hockey related knowledge as well as with sportsbetting and markets in general, but I don't know much about modeling or excel. Just at first glance your methods look pretty crude. I was thinking about running regressions with things like time of possession, face offs won, shots, scoring chances etc. Pm me if you or anyone else who can model are interested
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    • Peregrine Stoop
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 10-23-09
      • 869

      #3
      You should really adjust for goaltenders. There can be quite a gap between a squads number one guy and number two.
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      • Stocks
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 11-01-10
        • 569

        #4
        Originally posted by Peregrine Stoop
        You should really adjust for goaltenders. There can be quite a gap between a squads number one guy and number two.
        Oh ya you'd have to ajust it something for goalies that can be something added on no problem for either method right now I'm just wondering if either of these methods would any good.
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        • Stocks
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 11-01-10
          • 569

          #5
          Originally posted by Poogs
          I have been thinking about making an NHL model for a little while now. I have a lot of hockey related knowledge as well as with sportsbetting and markets in general, but I don't know much about modeling or excel. Just at first glance your methods look pretty crude. I was thinking about running regressions with things like time of possession, face offs won, shots, scoring chances etc. Pm me if you or anyone else who can model are interested
          I got a larger scale of the first method using

          Strength of schedule
          Shots for
          Shot against
          Power play
          Penilty killing
          Goals for
          Goals against
          Winning %

          For overall preformance Home/away and last 5 games but have'nt used it yet as its too early in the season to get accurate numbers.

          If your interested pm me and I can try to email it to you.

          Also if you do it yourself dont be scared of excel it is'nt hard to use at all, I never used it before in my life untill a couple weeks ago and within an hour or so I got the hang of it.
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