Just wanted to get everyones input on their particular "style" of handicapping games. With some days having 30 or more games what is your process of elimination to find those games that you want to bet on. I typically don't put a lot of action on games not in BCS conferences, but I see a lot of people going with some obscure games on a regular basis. How do you go about capping games?
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I think a lot of people here (In the HTT) have built models/simulations...so they can run them for over 30+ games and identify what they feel are weak lines..for example if there model has duke being 10pt favourites but the line is duke -5 then there is one game to considerComment -
like an accountant number crunching and pencil pushing, probabilities, assets, liabilities.Comment -
I I find out who bread likes and fade..... easy money.Comment -
You make money off fading lang? Have you seen the forum on pregame dedicated to fading/hating him?Comment -
I dont cap games, i follow successful sports bettors/companies who cap games. Which i only trust 3 sites, and 1 of the sites- the owner has been capping games for over 40 years. He is probaly the best sports bettor in the world. lol. "It is not what you know, but who you know." I am only 19, so for me to have 40 years of experience- i would be 59- dont want to wait till 59 to be rich. lol. Because i have great networking- i say i hit six figures with sports betting before 21.Comment -
What does networking have to do with hitting six figures? It has a lot to do with hitting six figures. Following successful people- whether by following sports picks, or if they are gonna sign you with a major record label. Networking has a lot to do with being rich. As far as the bettors/companies betting their own picks. Yes they do bet their own picks. And at what %- around 57 percent as a volume bettor i've been hitting. Going back to networking. I want to give you examples how networking- and making a lot money goes hand in hand. Sean kingston-who was homeless- networked with someone via myspace- make a long story short- he got signed with a big music deal- and now he is making millions. Notorious big- one of the most successful rappers of all times- his success is mainly contributed to p.diddy- who signed him with a big music deal. Actors who go to california some of em get a BIG BREAK, and make millions. how? networking- with other successful talent agents/casting directors- whether by auditions or going different places to network. Networking is simply going to the person/company that is successful in what you are doing. As a sports bettor, i network/follow successful sports bettors/companies on the internet that consistently win games- whether baseball, college basketball, nba, nfl, hockey, doesn't matter. That's what i mean by that.Comment -
Yeah I know what networking is, and I am aware that in many situations it's not what you know, but who you know. I was just curious what the correlation was between networking with sports bettors and making six figures was in this particular case. Following someone’s picks (or purchasing) is not exactly the "networking" definition I was referring to. I do understand what you mean though I was just digging deeper. Just curious if you have a yearly package with these sites/cappers or what sort of plan you are on, and if so how much you are paying?Comment -
I get all the picks from the SBRforum and/or therxforum. So in turn- i dont have to pay for the games.Comment -
If you are interested in the successful handicapper i am speaking of. I will not mention his name/company even though he is on this forum. Which apparently their are a lot of handicappers on this forum. Furthermore- email me at and i can give you the games regularly. Good luck.Last edited by Rand2359235252; 03-05-10, 03:00 AM.Comment -
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i look at linemovementComment -
Just develop a system and stick with it. Keep tuning it until it becomes a winner. Do not keep dreaming about winning millions in a year. It is not going to happen. It takes years of work to make big money. Anyone who just follows people is begging to be taken, and will. It never works.Comment -
bottom line: many different methods. i'm of the opinion if you work hard at something you'll succeed. you need to work to become a good capper.Comment -
yeah you can become a good capper by hard work- but i hope you dont mind waiting 25-30 yrs to do it. I've said it once, and i'll say it again. It is not what you know, but who you know!!!Comment -
i pray for leans.
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It's interesting to say. That a lot of people ignore sports investing as a profitable investment. I have the resources to avg 20-30 % r.o.i on my money per month compounded. Which would probaly go upwards to over 700 % r.o.i. and more in a year. That is amazing! A lot of people are satisfied with the 1 % returns at their bank, or 5 % in a year on their stock or mutual fund. Or a lowsy 30 % return in 1 yr on their real estate deal. Look at the difference. Sports investing is so profitable, if done correctly. Working at a job wont make you rich, saving your money/investing into lowsy investments wont make you rich. Investing with sports investing will. And sure real estate/stock market can make you rich. But my whole point is sports betting is a great way to become rich, but very few can do it. But if done- it can change your life. Sports investing is not betting. It is investing, just like any investment. You do it with diversification, money management, risk vs reward ratio, patience and discipline, duplicatable and winning system, and with these you'll be ahead of 99.9 % of the gamblers, and you'll be in the 1 % of successful sports investors!Comment -
Just so I get this straight. You are 19, you ask everyone how they cap games even though you go on to say that capping games is pointless because you follow touts picks you get on SBR for free because they have more experience than you. Than you go on to preach the virtues of "networking", which applied to this situation actually means you logging on to SBR and viewing the picks other people have purchased from touts and playing them and supposedly hitting at a 57% clip. You will not 57% of picks long term, no one does, you havent been playing long enough to realize this. If the touts you did follow hit 57% long term (minimum 1000 picks) than they would move lines immediately upon their release and have a large following (i.e. RAS's total plays), in which case you would be getting bad lines because you would be getting the info late on the SBR Forum and not even the very best tout can give up 1-2 pts. of line value every day and hit 55%. In my opinion, you are on a good run right now, you are naive and think it will last forever, I hope it does for you and your "sports investing" dreams come true. I can read one of your posts and tell you flat out you are not smart enough or mature enough at this point to become a long term winner, it is painfully obvious to anyone with a clue. Good luck.Comment -
quote from johnny55 "You will not 57% of picks long term, no one does."
To Johnny's quote that is not a true statement at all. That is the statement made by someone who does this recreationally and not professionally.
There are thousands of people who make a living off of sports. You just don't know them. I personally have been averaging 56-57%% for the 7 years I have been a sports investor. It isn't the way Wesley is doing it. I did it through pouring over years of game stats to find tried and true formulas and systems that generate consistent profits.
To answer big banks quote - Wesley is right sort of. You may have the occasional 20-30% montly gain but realistically it averages around 10%/month. That is 120% ROI/year. That also assumes that you are not upping your bets based on the new money levels that you reach. As long as you keep your bet % the same compared to your bankroll.
Am I on pace to be the richest man in the world? I don't think the buffett's or the Gates have anything to worry about, But I make some sweet coin w/out any worries.
Wesley I hope it works out for you but following the SBR free forum won't work forever. You need to learn to do it for yourself. You are young and ambitious and I am sure you will figure it out.Comment -
If you have been hitting 57% for 7 years I take my hat off to you. I dont believe you but congrats if you have. Lets say you have a $100,000 bankroll and I would guess yours is much bigger since you have been hitting 57% for 7 years straight, lets say you average 150 plays per month and you go 86-64. You are conservative and bet 2% of your roll on each game, $2,000 a game. Lets say you understand juice and play at Matchbook, Pinny, or other reduced juice outfits, you take advantage of free play and cash promos and bring your average bet to around -103, which should be doable with a little effort.
86 x $1,942= $167,012
64x $2,000= $128,000
So you are earning about $39,000 a month off sports betting and roughly half a million per year.
Although I would guess since you have been hitting 57% for so long you would have much larger than a $100,000 bankroll and therefore you probably make closer to 1 million per year from sports betting.
And you accomplished all this by analyzing game stats and generating systems. Are you the "Most Interesting Man In The World"Comment -
if you hit even 55 percent every season, you'll be rich very soon with money management. my experience: never follow well-known touts. if their record is so bad-ass, they'll be spending more time making money rather than marketing their prowess. i checked out many touts sites and if you see sportsbooks advertisement on it, it's a dead giveaway. what sportsbook would ever advertise on consistent 57 percent winning touts? it would be silly for them to do so; they'd lose money with clients that follow winners. many touts may have been originally superior handicappers. now, they're probably just marketing machines Also i rarely see them posting an archive of their picks with win loss accurately stated. Even archived services fudge their numbers( i have caught them). If you must follow other go to each sports handicapping page and follow some of the more well respected posters. they're likely to produce (and substantiate)a better records than most touts. Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm quite sure the majority of touts LOSE money in the long run.Comment -
Even though your post is dripping w/sarcasm, I will explain a little further.
I usually place 1-4 wagers a day. I invest 1-3 % of my bankroll on games. The Systems that hit at a traditionally 60+% I will put 3% on, others I will put 1% on. I wish the 3% type of games happen every day but they don't. I do this the legal way in Vegas which also cuts into the bottom line b/c they take out a higher %.
Here are 2 quick examples of systems that can be used. In College hoops with totals under 120 bet the over (with the exceptions being the MAC and Big 10 conf then bet under). Also there are certain teams that on a year by year basis you need to throw out of that equation(n.iowa for an example this year)Those teams need to be identified quickly to keep you from costing you money.A 3% type of play is betting under the total for any game that is over a 160 total. If you want the stats to back it up look for yourself. I do research for 4-5 hrs/day.I am always on the lookout for new systems that people come up with on boards like these. When I find someone who has hit on something I thank them by offering a system of mine in return that can further add to their bottom line.
My bankroll over time has grown considerably this is true, but I am not greedy. I make enough to make me and my wife happy. I do not live beyond our means on a daily basis. Losing streaks happen and if we were to live the rock star lifestyle, we would end up just like ** hammer and others who foolishly pissed all their $$$ away. We go on a 2 week vacation roughly every other month, which obviously cuts into the bottom line as I am not betting then. The benefits of not having a 9-5 job are tremendous.
I would say that it is a great way to live life but it isn't for everyone. You don't need a masters degree to do it either. Any regular Joe or Sally(apparently not a johnny though) can do it. It just takes some effort. The kind of effort 99% of people don't want to spend. I wish you all the best of luck and hope you are happy. I know I am.
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Damn, in college hoops on totals under 120, bet the over except in the MAC and Pac-10, this is revolutionary. Bet the over on any college hoops game over 160, how did I not think of this. The books must be going broke putting up these lines and you are the only person who has caught on. Kudos to you my good man.
By the way, there is absolutely nothing illegal about wagering offshore. No one in the history of the United States has ever been arrested or spent a day in jail for placing a bet offshore. By playing at -110 you are costing yourself tens of thousands of dollars every year and yet you overcome this massive economic oversight with your "systems", you are a better man than I.Comment -
yeah it is tough to knock a system that is 18-6 on the year and has hit 63% since 2004 but I guess anything is possible. By the way it is under on a total of 160 or higher. Reading comprehension skills are solid I see.
Just tried to provide some insight to the OP.
Best of luck to you Johnny. God Bless you.Comment -
I agreed with Johnny..
I guess when this kid hits 6 figures in 2 years with his 700% ROI he will shut everyone up..
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soxwin, turn your PM on, I have a system I'm tweaking and wonder if you've ever used it. You being a system man and allComment -
Here is a great system, find the best line, bet things off-market and manage your money. The rest is nonsense.Comment -
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Strength of schedule and how many home vs. away game they have played up to that point compared to their opponents is where I start for college basketball games before I look at any stats.Comment -
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