Point shaving in college basketball - How common is it?

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  • Karayilan9
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    • 01-10-09
    • 3742

    #1
    Point shaving in college basketball - How common is it?
    We all know point shaving goes on, especially in the college sports but can its nearly impossible to prove. You have to catch the point-shaving deal taking place before game because you can't prove somebody is cheating in a game of basketball for missing a 3 or a FT at the end of a game.

    How common do you think this is in the NCAA, I mean I can see why a player would do it, your not being paid much and if you don't have the talent to make it big-time its the easiest money your going to make.

    I don't think its as common in the NBA due to the money involved in the sport, a player isn't going to point shave for a fraction of his weekly wage. Now I know about match fixing in soccer, especially in the lower leagues in Eastern Europe, the Balkans and Russia, it does go on but in basketball its so easy to rig because of the nature of the game.

    I'm no expert in College Bball but a friend was telling me its more common than alot of people think and that following the sharp money is the way to go in this sport especially in the games that attract less public attention.

    What are you guys views on this?
  • maxdalury
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    • 05-28-09
    • 67

    #2
    you should take a look at this article:
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    • Dark Horse
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 12-14-05
      • 13764

      #3
      If you have suspicions about certain teams, avoid them. Otherwise, don't worry about it. In the long run this kind of stuff evens out.
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      • cocknocker
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        • 11-06-08
        • 8001

        #4
        I don't know but I love it! Point shaving is easy to do. All that a college student sometimes has is just their name. For 5 dimes you can buy a shot here or there. If the students wisened up they could get more money for throwing a game and lessen the amount of games that get thrown!
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        • Karayilan9
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          • 01-10-09
          • 3742

          #5
          Ck knows what I'm talking about

          In the non-televised, least talked about games that nobody even know are being played you could get most those kids to point shave so its probably best to either know the guy getting these kids to point shave or watch the sharp money as it should be most accurate in these games.
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          • donjuan
            SBR MVP
            • 08-29-07
            • 3993

            #6
            In the non-televised, least talked about games that nobody even know are being played you could get most those kids to point shave so its probably best to either know the guy getting these kids to point shave or watch the sharp money as it should be most accurate in these games.
            Surely you realize that the vast majority of people who move lines use statistical models.
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            • coldhardfacts
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 10-19-07
              • 717

              #7
              If you want to talk about SERIOUS point shaving/game fixing, forget about college basketball. Look no further than the NFL.
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              • Dank_Fire
                SBR MVP
                • 05-13-09
                • 2269

                #8
                Originally posted by coldhardfacts
                If you want to talk about SERIOUS point shaving/game fixing, forget about college basketball. Look no further than the NFL.
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                • coldhardfacts
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 10-19-07
                  • 717

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dank_Fire
                  Just one very blatant example:

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                  • Dark Horse
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                    • 12-14-05
                    • 13764

                    #10
                    Point shaving is illegal. For 5K not too many college students would risk their education and possible jail time.

                    There is no doubt that college basketball would be the easiest place to miss a shot without getting noticed. A few years ago Northwestern had a very suspicious game, where they played good defense in the 1H, and allowed one layup after another in the 2H. They had, if I remember correctly, one or two Serbian players on that team. An ethnic/political background that links to that part of the world (former East block), where game fixing is becoming notorious (soccer, tennis), could force players to 'participate'. 'We'll set up a Swiss bank account for you. If you don't participate we'll take it out on your family'.
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                    • Karayilan9
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                      • 01-10-09
                      • 3742

                      #11
                      Darkhorse
                      Point shaving is illegal. For 5K not too many college students would risk their education and possible jail time.
                      Its illegal but so hard to prove, unless you have proof of the deal taking place there is no proof, any player can miss a shot at any time, a player can't be accused of point shaving for missing a point at the end of the game.

                      Players in the worst teams which receive hardly any television air time would jump at the chance for an easy 5-10K, they know they arn't going to make it so this is an easy way out, do it 3-4 times a season and you've made more than the average yearly salary.
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                      • Pancho sanza
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                        • 10-18-07
                        • 386

                        #12
                        Originally posted by coldhardfacts
                        Just one very blatant example:

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVtlJgt_8FY
                        Yes that one suspect ending proves beyond a doubt the league is rife with fixes.

                        Any more examples (besides the steelers/hawks superbowl which everyone is sure was also fixed).

                        Assume NFL games were fixed, you would have to know in advance who the fix was in for to benefit.
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                        • Dark Horse
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                          • 12-14-05
                          • 13764

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Karayilan9
                          Players in the worst teams which receive hardly any television air time would jump at the chance for an easy 5-10K, they know they arn't going to make it so this is an easy way out, do it 3-4 times a season and you've made more than the average yearly salary.
                          The money bet on such teams is relatively little, so if unusual betting patterns begin to emerge the risk can become very real. Not that the 'poor' college student on a spending spree would necessarily realize that.
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                          • coldhardfacts
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                            • 10-19-07
                            • 717

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Pancho sanza
                            Yes that one suspect ending proves beyond a doubt the league is rife with fixes.

                            Any more examples (besides the steelers/hawks superbowl which everyone is sure was also fixed).

                            Assume NFL games were fixed, you would have to know in advance who the fix was in for to benefit.
                            Like the saying goes, on Any Given Sunday...

                            The Steelers/Hawks Superbowl was so over the top obvious that it proves that they can do ANYTHING and get away with it. The whole game was ridiculous, but you really have to look no further than the first series of the game, when Mack Strong clearly crossed the 30 yard line on third down, and the referees spotted the ball inside the 30 forcing Seattle to punt. Mike Holmgren's wife, on one of the biggest days of her husband's life, was in Africa of all places. She knew, alright.

                            And we won't even talk about Mike Vanderjagt's horrendous shank that enabled the Steelers to get to the game in the first place.

                            How about the Falcons/Broncos Super Bowl when the Falcons scored an early 4th quarter TD to cut the lead to 15, and Dan Reeves decides to go for 2! (Just so happens that if he kicks the PAT, the Falcons cover the teasers and the game goes over.) Oh, and btw, Chris Chandler threw the ball into approximately the 15th row on the 2 point try. When asked about it after the game, Reeves gave the most idiotic answer probably ever...something like "I didn't want to have to score three times to win." Never mind that he actually only had to score twice and the game was basically a coin flip.

                            Or the Colts/Patriots playoff game where NE is driving for the winning TD. Reche Caldwell (for whom the play is called) is standing all by himself split wide right and Phil Simms is screaming at the top of his lungs in the booth that there's no one on him and the great Tom Brady, with the greatest peripheral vision in the game, doesn't even call for the snap until the defender gets into position and then when he finally does get the snap throws it at Caldwell's feet. Oh, and then throws an interception on the next play to seal the deal for Indy.

                            Or Jimmy Orr (also the intended receiver) jumping up and down waiving his hands in the end zone in Super Bowl 3 and Earl Morrall not even looking his way.

                            And on. And on. And on. And on. And on........
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                            • Pancho sanza
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 10-18-07
                              • 386

                              #15
                              Originally posted by coldhardfacts


                              Or the Colts/Patriots playoff game where NE is driving for the winning TD. Reche Caldwell (for whom the play is called) is standing all by himself split wide right and Phil Simms is screaming at the top of his lungs in the booth that there's no one on him and the great Tom Brady, with the greatest peripheral vision in the game, doesn't even call for the snap until the defender gets into position and then when he finally does get the snap throws it at Caldwell's feet. Oh, and then throws an interception on the next play to seal the deal for Indy.


                              So Tom Brady threw that game?

                              Guess he changed hs mind at some point , his team was up 21-3 early.

                              Someone must have got to him at the half.
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                              • coldhardfacts
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 10-19-07
                                • 717

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Pancho sanza
                                So Tom Brady threw that game?

                                Guess he changed hs mind at some point , his team was up 21-3 early.

                                Someone must have got to him at the half.
                                Hahahahah. If they made everything as obvious as Super Bowl XL, even Joe Q. Moron would catch on eventually. Or maybe not.
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