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  • Capitols44
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 05-10-17
    • 580

    #1
    Is winning 53% profitable?
    Let me ask this if a person were to win in sports betting 53% of their bets is this truly profitable when you consider the amount of games that end in a push ? What would be the correct winning percentage including pushes to be profitable ?
  • Buffalo Nickle
    SBR MVP
    • 11-12-14
    • 3228

    #2
    Pushes do not count so doesn't matter. 53% is profitable if you bet the right amounts on your bets. If you overbet, you will go broke.
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    • Capitols44
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 05-10-17
      • 580

      #3
      Originally posted by Buffalo Nickle
      Pushes do not count so doesn't matter. 53% is profitable if you bet the right amounts on your bets. If you overbet, you will go broke.
      Some people would still go broke even if they won 80% of their bets.
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      • Buffalo Nickle
        SBR MVP
        • 11-12-14
        • 3228

        #4
        Originally posted by Capitols44
        Some people would still go broke even if they won 80% of their bets.
        True. But if you bet what even would be considered a reasonable amount by most, you would still go broke.
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        • Darkside Magick
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 05-28-10
          • 12638

          #5
          Originally posted by Buffalo Nickle
          Pushes do not count so doesn't matter. 53% is profitable if you bet the right amounts on your bets. If you overbet, you will go broke.
          This.
          Even with half kelly your bet size is less than 1% per bet. Ovebetting will sink you
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          • semibluff
            SBR MVP
            • 04-12-16
            • 1515

            #6
            Win % is only relevant in relation to odds probability. If you're betting at +115 then 50% is great. If you're betting at -400 then 71% is bad.
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            • Capitols44
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 05-10-17
              • 580

              #7
              Originally posted by Buffalo Nickle
              Pushes do not count so doesn't matter. 53% is profitable if you bet the right amounts on your bets. If you overbet, you will go broke.
              I still don't think this a total correct answer because what if you included paying taxes on your winnings wouldn't you have to win more than 53% to be profitable after you paid your taxes ?
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              • Buffalo Nickle
                SBR MVP
                • 11-12-14
                • 3228

                #8
                Originally posted by Capitols44
                I still don't think this a total correct answer because what if you included paying taxes on your winnings wouldn't you have to win more than 53% to be profitable after you paid your taxes ?
                Yes. It depends on a lot of things. If you were going to try to make a decent amount of money and report your taxes too, you would need better than 53%. If you were just betting a small amount and taking bonuses, you could do pretty well.
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                • captrobey
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 09-02-10
                  • 34356

                  #9
                  Depends on what you are betting. Like with bets of $100 if you are doing a basic -110 bet with say 100 bets the losses lose you the extra $10. Add those in and at the end of 100 games you really would not win anything . But $1000 a game would. I mean you are looking at what $470 extra lost on -110 games on the extra $10 right.
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                  • dlowilly
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 11-09-16
                    • 13862

                    #10
                    53 * 100 = 5300

                    47 * -110 = -5170

                    5300 - 5170 = +130
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                    • 5918mike
                      SBR MVP
                      • 04-16-14
                      • 1885

                      #11
                      To many other factors to consider, the easy answer, yes, 53% CAN be profitable.
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                      • chilidog
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 04-05-09
                        • 10305

                        #12
                        Originally posted by semibluff
                        Win % is only relevant in relation to odds probability. If you're betting at +115 then 50% is great. If you're betting at -400 then 71% is bad.
                        This is the only response in this thread to pay attention to.
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                        • HedgeHog
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 09-11-07
                          • 10128

                          #13
                          Originally posted by dlowilly
                          53 * 100 = 5300

                          47 * -110 = -5170

                          5300 - 5170 = +130
                          I would hope that someone skilled enough to hit 53% would be smart enough to bet at a reduced juice Book. With -105 lines, I believe he's up +365 in your example.
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                          • BigdaddyQH
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 07-13-09
                            • 19530

                            #14
                            If you play the exact same amount of money on every wager, and pay the usual vig (11/10), then yes, 53% is profitable. 52% is NOT profitable.
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                            • BigdaddyQH
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 07-13-09
                              • 19530

                              #15
                              Originally posted by HedgeHog
                              I would hope that someone skilled enough to hit 53% would be smart enough to bet at a reduced juice Book. With -105 lines, I believe he's up +365 in your example.
                              That is assuming that you get paid from that book, which is always questionable when you are dealing with an off shore book. Just look at the complaints in here about that very same subject.
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                              • LT Profits
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 10-27-06
                                • 90963

                                #16
                                Originally posted by BigdaddyQH
                                That is assuming that you get paid from that book, which is always questionable when you are dealing with an off shore book. Just look at the complaints in here about that very same subject.
                                I've never had an issue getting paid from Heritage or 5 Dimes as far as reduced juice books go. And non-USA guys with access to Pinnacle have no worries.
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                                • 5918mike
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 04-16-14
                                  • 1885

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by LT Profits
                                  I've never had an issue getting paid from Heritage or 5 Dimes as far as reduced juice books go. And non-USA guys with access to Pinnacle have no worries.
                                  100% success rate at both Heritage and 5D here as well.
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                                  • HedgeHog
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 09-11-07
                                    • 10128

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by 5918mike
                                    100% success rate at both Heritage and 5D here as well.
                                    Me, too. I'd take either one of these -105 Books over a -110 local any day.
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                                    • mcfugly
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 05-20-12
                                      • 947

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by semibluff
                                      Win % is only relevant in relation to odds probability. If you're betting at +115 then 50% is great. If you're betting at -400 then 71% is bad.
                                      ^^ THIS

                                      If you are not aware of this then honestly you have no business sports betting, or taking part in any gambling at all for that matter LOL

                                      This is the most basic of basic math that you surely must know to be anywhere near any form of gambling.

                                      Is this post a joke/troll??
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                                      • evo34
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-09-08
                                        • 1032

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by mcfugly
                                        ^^ THIS

                                        If you are not aware of this then honestly you have no business sports betting, or taking part in any gambling at all for that matter LOL

                                        This is the most basic of basic math that you surely must know to be anywhere near any form of gambling.

                                        Is this post a joke/troll??
                                        Obviously, the OP is referring to ATS bets. Christ
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                                        • thomorino
                                          Restricted User
                                          • 06-01-17
                                          • 45842

                                          #21
                                          53% could be profitable if you are a very high volume and are betting -110 or better - one thing you have to be careful about is people who hit a high percentage but aren't high volume players- its much harder to hit 54-56% if your a high volume player with 3-4 plays a days than it is to hit 58-60% if your playing 1 game a day.
                                          Last edited by thomorino; 07-15-17, 04:35 PM.
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                                          • semibluff
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 04-12-16
                                            • 1515

                                            #22
                                            Not trolling on my part. I try to post helpful, if somewhat simple, betting advice. If you're betting on an English EPL game and your team is 12/5 you need to decide whether they're more than a (100% * 5) / (5 + 12) chance to win. If you think they have less than a 29.41% you should either a) Not bet on them, or b) find someone else offering better odds - better than your calculation of the team's chances.

                                            Generally I would advise betting on the money line rather than the spread on a 2 outcome event. Normally there is less juice on the money line and thus a greater chance of the line being in your favour. However If you believe the line is more incorrect on the spread than on the money line you should bet on where the error/book's misjudgement is most in your favour.
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                                            • stevenash
                                              Moderator
                                              • 01-17-11
                                              • 65449

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Capitols44
                                              Let me ask this if a person were to win in sports betting 53% of their bets is this truly profitable when you consider the amount of games that end in a push ? What would be the correct winning percentage including pushes to be profitable ?
                                              80 percent of my wagers are baseball 'dogs.
                                              I'm profitable at 48 percent, sometimes as low as 44 percent if those +160 dogs keep cashing.
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                                              • xKMACKx
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 11-16-08
                                                • 1274

                                                #24
                                                Well, of course, this is dependent on the price you are paying. I remember when Matchbook was available in North American and I could find -102 and -103 spreads on a regular basis around game time. Too bad they're out of the market, sigh.
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                                                • gojetsgomoxies
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 09-04-12
                                                  • 4222

                                                  #25
                                                  i took to mean that he means 2-sided spread bets, which are most often same odds on both ends.

                                                  basically i think you're winning percentage needs to be above (100+J)/(200+J)... for -110, J = 10. for -107, J =7......... not sure that's the exact definition of Juice i.e. J, but that's how i'm using it....

                                                  if you don't want to do the exact calculation i.e. no access to computer or calculator, you can take the juice, divide 4 and add to 50% to get required winning %.

                                                  so j= 10 and j=7 = 52.5% and 51.75% winning percentage required.. the real numbers are 52.4% and 51.7% which are really close. breaks down when the juices gets much bigger but no one should be betting then.
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                                                  • Capitols44
                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                    • 05-10-17
                                                    • 580

                                                    #26
                                                    Interesting points of view. People mention betting bets at -110 and winning 53% of the time. You cant bet 100% of your bets at -110 . Its just not possible the lines move to much and this the real world. Even if you did bet all of your bets at -110 or less you would have to be extremely selective of your picks at best of what the books offer.
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                                                    • Capitols44
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 05-10-17
                                                      • 580

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Capitols44
                                                      Interesting points of view. People mention betting bets at -110 and winning 53% of the time. You cant bet 100% of your bets at -110 . Its just not possible the lines move to much and this the real world. Even if you did bet all of your bets at -110 or less you would have to be extremely selective of your picks at best of what the books offer.
                                                      Unless your betting all dogs
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                                                      • Capitols44
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 05-10-17
                                                        • 580

                                                        #28
                                                        I know people are winning their bets and still losing money because of the crazy drop in bitcoin price now
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                                                        • clockwise1965
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 10-01-13
                                                          • 6753

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by semibluff
                                                          Win % is only relevant in relation to odds probability. If you're betting at +115 then 50% is great. If you're betting at -400 then 71% is bad.

                                                          Spot on.
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                                                          • LT Profits
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 10-27-06
                                                            • 90963

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Capitols44
                                                            Interesting points of view. People mention betting bets at -110 and winning 53% of the time. You cant bet 100% of your bets at -110 . Its just not possible the lines move to much and this the real world. Even if you did bet all of your bets at -110 or less you would have to be extremely selective of your picks at best of what the books offer.
                                                            The OP is talking about ATS bets and even Totals in the ATS sports. No need to ever lay more than -110 on those.
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                                                            • stevenash
                                                              Moderator
                                                              • 01-17-11
                                                              • 65449

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                              The OP is talking about ATS bets and even Totals in the ATS sports. No need to ever lay more than -110 on those.
                                                              Good point, however I'll pay a little juice sometimes to get off an 8 total in bases.
                                                              Hate those 8 flat total games.
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                                                              • semibluff
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 04-12-16
                                                                • 1515

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                                The OP is talking about ATS bets and even Totals in the ATS sports. No need to ever lay more than -110 on those.
                                                                If 1 book is laying an NFL game with Team A @-110 +3 points vs Team B and another book is laying Team A @-125 +3½ points surely you're going to take the 2nd book's line and odds on the underdog rather then the 1st book's line and odds? The SBR half-point calculator suggests at +3½ the odds should be -135.3 rather than -125.
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                                                                • LT Profits
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 10-27-06
                                                                  • 90963

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by semibluff
                                                                  If 1 book is laying an NFL game with Team A @-110 +3 points vs Team B and another book is laying Team A @-125 +3½ points surely you're going to take the 2nd book's line and odds on the underdog rather then the 1st book's line and odds? The SBR half-point calculator suggests at +3½ the odds should be -135.3 rather than -125.
                                                                  For the purposes of this thread, just pass the game entirely and focus only on value plays laying -110 or less.
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                                                                  • LT Profits
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 10-27-06
                                                                    • 90963

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by stevenash
                                                                    Good point, however I'll pay a little juice sometimes to get off an 8 total in bases.
                                                                    Hate those 8 flat total games.
                                                                    Totals in MLB and NHL are different than totals in football and hoops, that is why I specified totals in "ATS sports".
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                                                                    • HeeeHAWWWW
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 06-13-08
                                                                      • 5487

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by thomorino
                                                                      53% could be profitable if you are a very high volume and are betting -110 or better -

                                                                      Many soccer gamblers have -103 or better, even as good as -101 net for the big leagues. 53% in that will make you very rich :-)
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