Runs Scored + Runs Allowed Model Question

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  • Professor1215
    SBR High Roller
    • 11-28-11
    • 216

    #1
    Runs Scored + Runs Allowed Model Question
    Good afternoon. I would really like some help on this.

    I am currently working on modeling runs scored and runs prevented in the MLB. As it stands now, I have a somewhat functional model.

    My question, is how to properly combine RS/RA to get a total.

    For example, lets say the Yankees are playing the Red Sox. Below are my hypothetical model results.

    NYY Runs Scored = 4
    NYY Runs Allowed = 3

    BOS Runs Scored = 5
    BOS Runs Allowed = 4

    To get a game total, do I simply average these numbers (NYY RS + BOS RA) & (BOS RS + NYY RA)?

    Thanks for the help!
  • Miz
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 08-30-09
    • 695

    #2
    without making any comment on how the model produced these numbers, I think your last step is reasonable
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    • Professor1215
      SBR High Roller
      • 11-28-11
      • 216

      #3
      Originally posted by Miz
      without making any comment on how the model produced these numbers, I think your last step is reasonable
      Thank you for that. Those numbers were simply made up. The model I have gives outputs of 3.1-5.8 RPG for each team.

      I am a long way from any real results, but I want to feel good from a theoretical standpoint before I progress any further.

      So in this example, the game total would be 8, with a score of 4-4, or +100/-100, 50.0% no-vig ML.
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      • Stackzilla
        SBR MVP
        • 05-26-15
        • 3372

        #4
        Here's a system I was using with soccer it worked hitting at a high % but I had to stop because the juice varies per game so it ultimately was a failure but for baseball when the lines juice doesnt move you may see good outcomes.

        mean of all the home team's runs at home + league avg /2 = A
        mean of all home team's runs allows + league avg / 2 = B
        mean of all visitor team's runs away + league avg/ 2 = C
        mean of all visitor team's runs allows away + league avg /2 = D

        A+B+C+D / 2 = possible runs scored

        or instead use all season numbers instead of only home/away numbers
        i hope this helps , Pm me if you decide to try it out I'd like to see if it works, thanks BOL
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        • Waterstpub87
          SBR MVP
          • 09-09-09
          • 4102

          #5
          Originally posted by Stackzilla
          Here's a system I was using with soccer it worked hitting at a high % but I had to stop because the juice varies per game so it ultimately was a failure but for baseball when the lines juice doesnt move you may see good outcomes.

          mean of all the home team's runs at home + league avg /2 = A
          mean of all home team's runs allows + league avg / 2 = B
          mean of all visitor team's runs away + league avg/ 2 = C
          mean of all visitor team's runs allows away + league avg /2 = D

          A+B+C+D / 2 = possible runs scored

          or instead use all season numbers instead of only home/away numbers
          i hope this helps , Pm me if you decide to try it out I'd like to see if it works, thanks BOL
          I'll save you the trouble, this isn't going to work.
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          • Stackzilla
            SBR MVP
            • 05-26-15
            • 3372

            #6
            yea i didnt think it would thanks there really isnt a secret system too many variables to consider best thing you can do is your research to come with the decision
            Last edited by Stackzilla; 06-09-16, 11:27 PM.
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            • statnerds
              SBR MVP
              • 09-23-09
              • 4047

              #7
              this certainly will work because the starting pitchers are all equal

              why do all of this work when the market does it for you?
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              • evo34
                SBR MVP
                • 11-09-08
                • 1032

                #8
                Originally posted by Professor1215
                Thank you for that. Those numbers were simply made up. The model I have gives outputs of 3.1-5.8 RPG for each team.

                I am a long way from any real results, but I want to feel good from a theoretical standpoint before I progress any further.

                So in this example, the game total would be 8, with a score of 4-4, or +100/-100, 50.0% no-vig ML.
                A couple things:

                The median will always be less than the mean in baseball totals, esp. for low totals. So if you project 8 runs/game on average, the fair line will not be 8 +100 -- not even close.

                As you prob. know, half runs are worth very different amounts depending on the number.

                For totals with a heavy favorite, calculate the odds of the bottom of the ninth being played.

                This list is far from exhaustive, but some food for thought.
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