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  • EmpireMaker
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 06-18-09
    • 15572

    #1541
    The Rays will be without two key players for the rest of the season. Manager Kevin Cash told reporters (including Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times and Joe Trezza of MLB.com) that center fielder Kevin Kiermaier has elected to undergo surgery to address a labrum issue with his left hip. Catcher Mike Zunino is also done for the year, as Topkin reports (on Twitter) he’ll need surgery to correct thoracic outlet syndrome. Cash said Kiermaier is expected to be ready for next Spring Training; the longer-term timetable for Zunino remains unclear.
    Both Kiermaier and Zunino were already on the 60-day injured list. Kiermaier was initially diagnosed with hip inflammation, while Zunino’s problem was first termed left shoulder inflammation. The team quickly thereafter revealed Zunino may be battling thoracic outlet syndrome, however. He received Botox treatment in hopes of remedying the issue without going under the knife, but that evidently proved unsuccessful. Thoracic outlet surgery has become fairly prevalent for pitchers, with hurlers like Stephen Strasburg, John King, Brendan McKay and Daulton Jefferies requiring the procedure within the past year. It’s been far less common an occurrence for position players.
    Kiermaier and Zunino were known to be facing lengthy recovery processes even before today’s news, so there was already a fair bit of urgency for the club to address the vacated center field and catching positions. Tampa Bay already added help in the latter area, bringing in Christian Bethancourt in a deal with the A’s. Neither Bethancourt nor incumbent Francisco Mejía has performed so well the Rays should rule out further upgrades behind the dish, although the market is fairly shallow. Willson Contreras is one of the game’s most obvious trade candidates, but the Cubs will have plenty of interest around the league in perhaps the top rental bat on the market. Bethancourt’s former teammate, Sean Murphy, is drawing attention as a controllable option, although the acquisition cost for three and a half seasons of his services would be even more substantial than the haul required to land Contreras.
    Oakland also has one of the better center fielders who could be available, with Ramón Laureano having three-plus seasons of remaining club control. Beyond Laureano, it’s a murky market there as well, with Bryan Reynolds and Cedric Mullins seemingly unlikely to move. The Royals could market Michael A. Taylor to capitalize on perhaps the best season of his career, while the Nationals may be willing to part with Víctor Robles amidst another down year. The Rays are also without Harold Ramírez and Manuel Margot due to injury, leaving them to rely on Josh Lowe and Brett Phillips — neither of whom is doing much at the plate — alongside Randy Arozarena in the outfield.
    The deadline outlook will be the most immediate concern for the Tampa Bay front office, but the longer-term ramifications of today’s news could be the end of Kiermaier’s and Zunino’s tenures in Tampa Bay. Each is in the final guaranteed year of his respective contract. The Rays hold a $13MM option on Kiermaier’s services for 2023, but it’s hard to envision the club bringing him back at that sum. The lefty-hitting outfielder had a modest .228/.281/.369 showing over 221 plate appearances on the season. Between his age (32) and another significant lower body injury, one may wonder how much longer he’ll remain one of the sport’s best defensive outfielders.
    Zunino, meanwhile, will hit the market coming off one of the more disappointing years of his career. He popped 33 home runs a season ago, leading the Rays to bring him back on a $7MM option. He managed only a .145/.198/.304 showing in 36 games this year. The 31-year-old is among the sport’s top defensive backstops, but the combination of his woeful 2022 numbers and the TOS procedure deals a tough blow to his stock as he heads towards free agency.
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    • Otters27
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      • 07-14-07
      • 30749

      #1542
      Quite a few dogs win yesterday. Gonsolin might be good fade here for his next few games
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      • JAKEPEAVY21
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        • 03-11-11
        • 29240

        #1543
        Originally posted by Otters27
        Quite a few dogs win yesterday. Gonsolin might be good fade here for his next few games
        Gonsolin a good fade the rest of the season, his advanced stats indicate he is due to regress to the mean.
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        • JMobile
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 08-21-10
          • 19074

          #1544
          Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
          Gonsolin a good fade the rest of the season, his advanced stats indicate he is due to regress to the mean.
          All Star Game loss probably got to him
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          • Cross
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 04-15-11
            • 5777

            #1545
            Dodgers an automatic fade anyways.
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            • jrgum3
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 07-21-17
              • 7005

              #1546
              Cubbies are going into the trade deadline with some momentum. They are likely getting rid of their best trade chips but maybe they'll at least give their fans something to look forward to in the future.
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              • Chi_archie
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 07-22-08
                • 63165

                #1547
                Originally posted by jrgum3
                Cubbies are going into the trade deadline with some momentum. They are likely getting rid of their best trade chips but maybe they'll at least give their fans something to look forward to in the future.

                I think they are building back in a nice methodical way
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                • EmpireMaker
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 06-18-09
                  • 15572

                  #1548
                  The Marlins have stumbled out of the All-Star Break, dropping three of their first five contests against below-.500 teams in the Rangers, Pirates and Reds. Paired with a three-game sweep at the hands of the division-rival Phillies to close out the season’s unofficial first half, Miami has dropped six of eight before tonight’s contest with Cincinnati.
                  Sitting 45-51 and 5 1/2 games out of the National League’s final Wild Card spot, the Marlins look increasingly unlikely to compete for a postseason berth. That’s particularly true with the news that the club’s best position player, Jazz Chisholm Jr., won’t return until September at the earliest due to a stress fracture in his back. In the face of those mounting odds, general manager Kim Ng and her staff are apparently willing to consider dealing notable players from the major league roster.
                  Jon Heyman of the New York Post tweeted this afternoon that the Fish are willing to listen to offers on everyone other than ace Sandy Alcantara. It’s hard to imagine Miami trading Chisholm since he’s controllable through 2026 and currently on the injured list, but it seems the bulk of the team could be available. Aside from Alcantara and Chisholm, perhaps no one else on the roster would draw more interest than starter Pablo López. While Miami hasn’t previously shown much appetite for dealing López, Barry Jackson and Craig Mish of the Miami Herald report that the Marlins are now willing to hear offers on the 26-year-old righty. According to Jackson and Mish, the Fish aren’t actively shopping López, but they’re “no longer dismissing calls” from interested teams.
                  Assuming Ng and her staff are willing to seriously consider offers on López, he’d be one of the top options available for rotation-needy clubs. After missing most of the second half of last season due to a shoulder injury, he’s stayed healthy this year to take 20 starts. López owns a 3.03 ERA with an above-average 25.5% strikeout rate, a stingy 7.6% walk percentage and a solid 47.4% ground-ball rate. It’s the continuation of a few excellent years for the Venezuelan-born hurler, who has posted a sub-4.00 ERA with better than average strikeout and walk rates in each of the past three seasons.
                  López is only in his first season of arbitration-eligibility. He’s making an affordable $2.45MM salary, around $974K of which is still to be paid before the end of the season. That’s affordable enough for every club, and López comes with an additional two seasons of control before he can hit free agency after the 2024 campaign. He’s both cheaper and under a longer window of control than any of Luis Castillo, Tyler Mahle or Frankie Montas — the three hurlers who have generally been viewed as the top rotation trade candidates on the market.
                  There’s no need for Ng and her front office to force a deal given that extended window of club control, but they could view this as an opportunity to move him at the peak of his trade value. The Herald writes that the Marlins have not engaged López’s representatives at Excel Sports Management about a possible extension. Miami also has a fair bit of rotation depth and is looking for opportunities to invigorate an offense that carried a meager .238/.302/.376 line into play tonight.
                  Jackson and Mish write that the Marlins would like to add a left-handed power hitter for the 2023 lineup. Whether that’d come directly in a López deal is unclear — it’s rare for contenders to trade off their big league roster to address another area — but an openness to dealing away one of their top arms while searching for ways to add a controllable hitter suggests Ng and her staff aren’t approaching the deadline as a strict “buyer” or “seller.” Rather, it seems they’ll be one of a handful of teams — the Red Sox, Rangers, Angels and Orioles could be others — approaching the deadline more flexibly, recognizing that competing in 2022 is a longshot while still searching for ways to preemptively add to next year’s roster.
                  Of course, the rotation depth that could make the Marlins more amenable to parting with López has also been hit hard by injuries. Former top prospect Sixto Sánchez hasn’t thrown a major league pitch in two years. Jesús Luzardo and Edward Cabrera have been on the injured list for months, and rookie Max Meyer joined them over the weekend after leaving the second start of his MLB career with elbow discomfort.
                  In a worrisome development, Jackson and Mish report that Tommy John surgery could be on the table for Meyer. The team is still awaiting the results of a recent MRI before determining whether surgery will be required, but a UCL reconstruction would likely cost him all of the 2023 season. Miami is certainly hoping the electric 23-year-old will be able to avoid that fate; the club figures to provide an update on the righty’s status in the coming days.
                  Whether Meyer eventually goes under the knife or not, the injury serves as a reminder that even teams with a seeming surplus of starting pitching can see that depth thinned out rather quickly. Indeed, Miami’s rotation has largely been propelled by excellent seasons from Alcantara and López. 2021 breakout southpaw Trevor Rogers has had a disappointing follow-up campaign, and the back of the rotation has been hit by the aforementioned injuries along with a woeful showing from Elieser Hernández, who found himself demoted to the bullpen.
                  If Miami follows through on dealing some veterans, López wouldn’t be the only player on the roster to attract interest. MLBTR examined a few of the club’s other possible trade candidates last week. First baseman/designated hitter Garrett Cooper has a season and a half of remaining control and is hitting .279/.347/.426 on the year. He landed on the 10-day injured list due to a right wrist contusion this afternoon, but he indicated he expects to return when first eligible on August 3 (link via Christina De Nicola of MLB.com). He won’t play again before next Tuesday’s trade deadline, but injured players are able to be dealt, and it stands to reason other clubs will look past the injury if Cooper’s likely to return next week.
                  Brian Anderson and Jon Berti each looked like potential trade candidates, but they’re on the IL themselves. Anderson suffered a shoulder injury over the weekend, while Berti has yet to begin a rehab assignment after hurting his groin a little less than two weeks ago. They seem less likely than Cooper to be dealt given their longer-term recovery timelines.
                  Miami also has a handful of veteran relievers who could change hands. Right-hander Anthony Bass is controllable next season via $3MM club option, but he should draw interest with a 1.51 ERA through 41 2/3 innings on the year. Southpaws Steven Okert and Tanner Scott have missed plenty of bats and are controllable for multiple seasons beyond 2022, although each has struggled with his control. Richard Bleier is a more stable ground-ball specialist from the left side, while Dylan Floro is a righty with a broadly similar profile as Bleier.
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                  • JAKEPEAVY21
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                    • 03-11-11
                    • 29240

                    #1549
                    Giants in a tailspin and a game under .500 but I'm not sticking a fork in them just yet for playoff contention.

                    They are a gritty bunch.
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                    • Otters27
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                      • 07-14-07
                      • 30749

                      #1550
                      Will Nats sweep dodgers or As sweep Astros?
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                      • jrgum3
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 07-21-17
                        • 7005

                        #1551
                        Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
                        Giants in a tailspin and a game under .500 but I'm not sticking a fork in them just yet for playoff contention.

                        They are a gritty bunch.
                        That's easy for you to say I think this team is done but since they're only a couple of games back of the last wild card spot they still have a shot at the playoffs. That puts management in a tough spot at the trade deadline because I think that if they can start winning again they can catch the last wild card team. They just can't get seem to get out of this funk they've been in and with this current roster they may not be able to.
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                        • JAKEPEAVY21
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 03-11-11
                          • 29240

                          #1552
                          Taylor Rogers blows yet another save.

                          This guy was lights out the first quarter or third of the season and since then he has been utter garbage.

                          Padres might need to hunt for a closer before the trade deadline ends.
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                          • boscokid
                            SBR MVP
                            • 04-03-10
                            • 1496

                            #1553
                            Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
                            Taylor Rogers blows yet another save.

                            This guy was lights out the first quarter or third of the season and since then he has been utter garbage.

                            Padres might need to hunt for a closer before the trade deadline ends.

                            I feel partially responsible since I was facing both Darvish and Rogers in fantasy this week - you know I was watching my boys hoping for a miracle.

                            Regardless, a 27.17 point swing on that Reyes double was good news for bosco
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                            • boscokid
                              SBR MVP
                              • 04-03-10
                              • 1496

                              #1554
                              oh and there is also this - don't hate but this guy has been decent his last 4 outings except for getting blown up in Coors Field

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                              • EmpireMaker
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 06-18-09
                                • 15572

                                #1555
                                Juan Soto has been the talk of deadline season since reports emerged that the Nationals were entertaining dealing him in the wake of a rejected extension offer. The young superstar will continue to dominate headlines up until he’s either traded or next Tuesday’s deadline passes, with plenty of teams relishing the chance to acquire a 23-year-old who is already perhaps the game’s best hitter.
                                There’s been plenty of speculation about which teams could be involved, and Jeff Passan of ESPN wrote yesterday that some rival executives believe the Cardinals and Padres are the clubs with the best chance of prying Soto out of Washington. That’s more informed speculation than an indication anything is close between the Nats and either club. Both the Padres and Cardinals have win-now mentalities and a group of high-upside controllable players both at and below the major league level. That’s also true of clubs like the Dodgers, Yankees and Mariners, among others, and Soto’s two and a half years of remaining arbitration eligibility means the Nats don’t have to take the best offer on the table over the next few days.
                                Both Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and Jeff Jones of the Belleville News-Democrat write that the Cardinals have considered making a push for Soto. Jones reports that talks between the St. Louis and Washington front offices have already been underway, with rookie second baseman Nolan Gorman on the table.
                                According to Jones, the St. Louis front office has proposed building a return package around Gorman in hopes of keeping at least one of minor league infielders Jordan Walker or Masyn Winn. Walker is perhaps the organization’s top young player, checking in 7th overall on Baseball America’s most recent Top 100 prospects update. Winn, meanwhile, places 65th on that list. They’re two of the top three St. Louis prospects, with left-hander Matthew Liberatore — who has made his first seven MLB appearances this year — checking in 35th. (Triple-A outfielder Alec Burleson and Double-A pitcher Gordon Graceffo also placed towards the back of the top 100).
                                Gorman, of course, would still be a top prospect himself if he hadn’t exhausted his eligibility this season. The 22-year-old entered the year as a consensus top minor league talent in his own right. Keith Law of the Athletic placed him slightly ahead of Walker as St. Louis’ top prospect entering the season. Baseball America and Kiley McDaniel of ESPN each gave the edge to Walker but slotted Gorman second in the system and among the sport’s top 50 farmhands. Gorman proceeded to tear the cover off the ball with Triple-A Memphis, blasting 15 home runs in 34 games before getting his first big league call in May.
                                Through 54 major league games entering play Wednesday, the left-handed hitting Gorman has a .223/.299/.411 showing. The high-power, low-OBP combination is about what was anticipated. Gorman’s huge power numbers in Memphis came with a lofty 34% strikeout rate, and he’s gone down on strikes 32.5% of the time thus far as a big leaguer.
                                One shouldn’t expect Gorman to be a finished product at this point. He just turned 22 years old a few months ago. “Merely” hitting at a slightly above-average level in the majors at that age is quite promising. Gorman has predictably not rated highly as a defender at second base, but the 6’1″ infielder was forced to the keystone by the presence of Nolan Arenado. Gorman could probably fare better with an opportunity at his natural position at the hot corner, although his power upside at the dish will always be his calling card.
                                Promising as Gorman has been, it’s also understandable if the Cardinals would prefer to center a possible Soto return around him rather than Walker. The latter, a first-round pick in 2020, has played his way to Double-A Springfield despite having just turned 20 years old. Walker is excelling at that advanced level, hitting .304/.393/.486 with eight home runs, a quality 11.5% walk rate and a manageable 22.3% strikeout percentage. Those excellent numbers only reinforce scouting evaluations that suggest Walker could be a middle-of-the-order bat in the not too distant future. Eric Longenhagen of FanGraphs credited Walker with possible top-of-the-scale power (an 80 on the 20-80 scale) this month, writing that he’s posted eye-popping exit velocities in the minors despite his youth. Like Gorman, Walker has come up as a third baseman.
                                Winn, also 20, went in the second round of that 2020 draft. A two-way player in high school, he’s converted to shortstop as a professional. He retains the elite arm strength he showed on the mound, and Longenhagen praised his combination of bat speed, athleticism and contact skills. He’s split the season between High-A Peoria and Springfield, hitting .298/.363/.484 across 357 plate appearances.
                                Whether a Gorman-centered return could get the ball rolling in talks for the Nationals isn’t clear. Washington holds plenty of leverage in Soto talks, and the early reported asking price has been for a return of five or more controllable big leaguers and/or prospects. Even if the Nationals had interest in Gorman as a headliner, St. Louis would surely have to additionally include multiple young players (one or more likely from the aforementioned group of top 100 talents in the system) to convince Washington general manager Mike Rizzo to pull the trigger.
                                Jones writes that, at some point in negotiations with the Cardinals, the Nats sought to include left-hander Patrick Corbin in talks as a means of offsetting salary. Corbin is under contract for roughly $60MM over the 2023-24 seasons, an unappealing sum for a pitcher with a 6.02 ERA through 20 starts on the year. Rizzo flatly rejected the idea the Nationals have sought or would seek to include Corbin’s contract in a Soto deal during a chat on 106.7 FM radio in Washington this morning.
                                We’ve never contacted teams and talked about Juan Soto and attaching any contract to any player,” Rizzo told “The Sports Junkies.” “We’re not going to dilute a return for any player by adding a bad contract. That’s not where we’re at in our organization at this time. We want to get the most for each and every trade that we do, so we certainly are not going to tack on anybody’s contract to anybody’s deal, including Juan Soto’s or Josh Bell’s or anybody.
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                                • Cross
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 04-15-11
                                  • 5777

                                  #1556
                                  Robertson going to be a big trade piece as a closer.
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                                  • jrgum3
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 07-21-17
                                    • 7005

                                    #1557
                                    Benintiendi headed to the Yankees for 3 prospects. He was having a good season for KC so this seems like a good move for the Yankees who need guys that hit for average to go with all that power that they have. This should be the first of several deals before next Tuesdays's deadline so buckle up guys it's about to get interesting I think.
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                                    • Chi_archie
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 07-22-08
                                      • 63165

                                      #1558
                                      Originally posted by jrgum3
                                      Benintiendi headed to the Yankees for 3 prospects. He was having a good season for KC so this seems like a good move for the Yankees who need guys that hit for average to go with all that power that they have. This should be the first of several deals before next Tuesdays's deadline so buckle up guys it's about to get interesting I think.
                                      should work for both sides
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                                      • JAKEPEAVY21
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 03-11-11
                                        • 29240

                                        #1559
                                        Originally posted by Cross
                                        Robertson going to be a big trade piece as a closer.
                                        That's what they said about Benintendi but does not seem like the Yankees gave up that much.
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                                        • JMobile
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 08-21-10
                                          • 19074

                                          #1560
                                          Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
                                          Taylor Rogers blows yet another save.

                                          This guy was lights out the first quarter or third of the season and since then he has been utter garbage.

                                          Padres might need to hunt for a closer before the trade deadline ends.
                                          Maybe they just need to move Suarez back to the closing spot again.
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                                          • Otters27
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                                            • 07-14-07
                                            • 30749

                                            #1561
                                            Kevin Guasman is fading. Guys are hitting him. Good odds to fade from now on
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                                            • jrgum3
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 07-21-17
                                              • 7005

                                              #1562
                                              Originally posted by Otters27
                                              Kevin Guasman is fading. Guys are hitting him. Good odds to fade from now on
                                              Gausman seems to regress big time in the second half. He did this last season so maybe that's why the Giants let him walk and went out and got Rodon. I think Gausman is a fine pitcher but I'm not sure I'd want him as the ace of my staff which is what the Jays paid him to be.
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                                              • JAKEPEAVY21
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                                                • 03-11-11
                                                • 29240

                                                #1563
                                                The Padres might be the frontrunner for Soto now. I read that the Padres offered Abrams, Gore, Morejon, Hassell and Mears. The more I think about it, you give up the farm to get a guy like Soto. Get the deal done, Preller!
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                                                • Otters27
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                                                  • 07-14-07
                                                  • 30749

                                                  #1564
                                                  1-0 between royals and yanks last night. Walk off in the 9th
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                                                  • Cross
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 04-15-11
                                                    • 5777

                                                    #1565
                                                    Soto is worth more than most teams farm systems.
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                                                    • Stallion
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 03-21-10
                                                      • 3616

                                                      #1566
                                                      The Padres have so many good prospects they could go get Soto or Ohtani.
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                                                      • JMobile
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 08-21-10
                                                        • 19074

                                                        #1567
                                                        Originally posted by Stallion
                                                        The Padres have so many good prospects they could go get Soto or Ohtani.
                                                        I think Ohtani is a bigger clutch hitter than Soto. At the same time, Ohtani hits for power too
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                                                        • jrgum3
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 07-21-17
                                                          • 7005

                                                          #1568
                                                          Originally posted by JMobile
                                                          I think Ohtani is a bigger clutch hitter than Soto. At the same time, Ohtani hits for power too
                                                          Ohtani would be a huge get if anybody could pry him loose from the Angels. That said I think the Angels would ask for a Kings ransom so I doubt he gets traded. I do see him going elsewhere in free agency though so maybe the Angels decide that they better get something for him.
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                                                          • EmpireMaker
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 06-18-09
                                                            • 15572

                                                            #1569
                                                            The first major starting pitching trade has been made, as the Mariners and Reds announced a deal sending two-time All-Star Luis Castillo to Seattle. In exchange, the Reds bring back four prospects — highly-regarded infielders Noelvi Marte and Edwin Arroyo and right-handers Levi Stoudt and Andrew Moore.
                                                            Castillo had been perhaps the prize of this year’s rotation market. After missing a few weeks due to shoulder soreness to open the year, Castillo made his season debut in early May and has looked like a bona fide top-of-the-rotation arm. He’s made 14 starts and worked 85 innings, pitching to a 2.86 ERA despite playing his home games in one of the league’s more hitter-friendly parks. Castillo has punched out a quality 25.8% of opposing hitters against a solid 8% walk rate. This season’s 47.1% grounder percentage is down a bit relative to his 2019-21 levels, but it remains a few points better than the league average.

                                                            That kind of high-end production is about what we’ve come to expect from Castillo, who has cemented himself as one of the sport’s top arms over the past few seasons. He’s posted an ERA under 4.00 in each of the last four years, carrying a cumulative 3.49 mark in 91 starts since the beginning of the 2019 campaign. That’s 24th among 98 qualified starters over that stretch. His 26.8% strikeout rate ranks 23rd among that group, and he’s 12th with a 14.2% swinging strike percentage (whiffs per pitch). He’s complemented the strikeout stuff with a massive 54.8% ground-ball percentage that ranks among the top ten.
                                                            Few pitchers can match Castillo’s combination of whiffs and grounders, and the 29-year-old backs it up with an impressive arsenal. He’s one of the harder throwing starters, averaging just shy of 97 MPH on both his four-seam and sinker. Castillo’s bread-and-butter secondary pitch, his changeup, is among the game’s top offspeed offerings, and he’s gotten strong results on his slider as well.
                                                            Castillo will move to the front of a rotation that suddenly looks to be one of the more fearsome in the sport. The M’s signed reigning AL Cy Young winner Robbie Ray to a five-year deal over the winter, and second-year hurler Logan Gilbert has a 2.78 ERA through 21 starts. Rookie George Kirby, who was generally considered among the top handful of pitching prospects entering the season, has a 3.50 ERA through his first 13 big league outings. Chris Flexen and Marco Gonzales aren’t high-strikeout arms, but they’re more than capable back-of-the-rotation types.
                                                            Seattle will want to keep an eye on the innings totals for Gilbert and Kirby, so there’d have been sense in even adding a stable back-end arm. Instead, president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto and his staff swung bigger to bolster the 54-46 club they expect to snap the franchise’s two-decade playoff drought. Should they make the postseason, the front office and fanbase alike would no doubt feel strongly about their ability to match opponents’ top three arms with Castillo, Ray and Gilbert.
                                                            The deal is about more than just the 2022 season, as Castillo will be arbitration-eligible for a final time this winter. He’s making $7.35MM this year, around $2.75MM of which has yet to be paid out. He’ll earn a decent raise in arbitration but still have a plenty affordable salary — likely around the $12MM range. That’s an obvious bargain for a pitcher of his caliber, making a year and a half of his services incredibly valuable.
                                                            That’s reflected in the return, which looks very strong. Marte and Arroyo were the top two prospects in the Seattle system on Baseball America’s most recent top 100, respectively checking in 47th and 48th in the league. Marte, the most well-known of the group, entered the season ranked among the game’s top 15 farmhands in the estimation of each of Keith Law of the Athletic, FanGraphs and Kiley McDaniel of ESPN.
                                                            A 6’3″ infielder out of the Dominican Republic, Marte is universally projected as a possible plus power hitter capable of racking up 25 or more home runs annually at his peak. He has played exclusively shortstop in the minors, and while evaluators suggest he might eventually grow off that position, he’s expected to stick on the infield as a possible above-average third baseman. He’s spent the year in High-A as a 20-year-old, putting up an impressive .270/.360/.460 line with 15 homers, a strong 10.8% walk rate and a manageable 21.1% strikeout percentage through 389 plate appearances.
                                                            Arroyo, 18, was Seattle’s second-round pick in last year’s draft. The Puerto Rico native has already notably elevated his stock in his first full professional season, raking at a .316/.385/.514 clip in Low-A. He’s collected 13 homers and 19 doubles and stolen 21 bases. That kind of offensive performance was unexpected, as the switch-hitter entered the season more well-regarded for his potential plus defense at shortstop than his bat.
                                                            Stoudt recently checked in as the M’s #10 prospect, per Baseball America. The 24-year-old righty has struggled at Double-A this year, pitching to a 5.28 ERA across 87 innings. He has a slightly below-average 22% strikeout rate and a tiny 5.9% walk percentage that look more palatable, however. BA writes that he works in the 94-98 MPH range with his fastball and has a solid array of secondary offerings, led by his changeup. The 2019 3rd-round pick will have to be added to the 40-man roster this offseason to keep him from being selected in the Rule 5 draft. He’s regarded as a possible back-of-the-rotation starter.
                                                            Moore, not to be confused with the former Seattle starter of the same name, was a 14th-round pick out of junior college last year. The 22-year-old righty has worked exclusively out of the bullpen in Low-A, posting a 1.95 ERA through 32 1/3 innings with a ridiculous 43.6% strikeout rate. He’s generally facing younger competition and has walked almost 13% of opponents, but BA recently wrote that he features a 95-97 MPH fastball and a swing-and-miss breaking pitch. He’ll add an interesting lower level bullpen arm to the Cincinnati system.
                                                            The trade — which marks the second time in four months these two teams have lined up on a blockbuster — will have plenty of repercussions. Seattle’s decision to push in arguably their top two prospects for one of the sport’s best starters reinforces that the M’s view themselves as a legitimate contender in the American League. It also seemingly signifies they’re out of the running for Juan Soto, although there’s still plenty of upper level talent for Dipoto and his group to further bolster the roster over the next three days. Second base looks like a possible target area, as does backup catcher. Castillo, though, figures to be the splash — the impact addition designed to put a team that’s generally strong around the diamond over the top.
                                                            As for the Reds, it’s the second (and likely most notable) trade they’ll make this week as they strip down the big league roster in search of future talent. Castillo’s former rotation mate Tyler Mahle could soon join him in being moved for a marquee return (although not likely one as strong as this). Rental hitters like Brandon Drury and Donovan Solano won’t recoup a franchise-altering package, but there’s little reason for them not to join Tyler Naquin and Castillo in changing clubs.
                                                            With Castillo off the market, Mahle and A’s hurler Frankie Montas become the top two rotation trade candidates, in addition to a handful of high-impact arms who might be available despite having control windows extending beyond 2023. Teams like the Yankees, Cardinals, Rangers and Twins are known to be in the market for rotation help. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com tweets that 12 teams were in contact with the Reds about Castillo and suggests the Yankees’ offer was close to the quality of Seattle’s. Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic indicates Texas made a strong push as well. In the end, the Mariners put the best offer on the table, leaving plenty of others to look elsewhere over the next 72 hours.
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                                                            • jrgum3
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 07-21-17
                                                              • 7005

                                                              #1570
                                                              Originally posted by EmpireMaker
                                                              The first major starting pitching trade has been made, as the Mariners and Reds announced a deal sending two-time All-Star Luis Castillo to Seattle. In exchange, the Reds bring back four prospects — highly-regarded infielders Noelvi Marte and Edwin Arroyo and right-handers Levi Stoudt and Andrew Moore.
                                                              Castillo had been perhaps the prize of this year’s rotation market. After missing a few weeks due to shoulder soreness to open the year, Castillo made his season debut in early May and has looked like a bona fide top-of-the-rotation arm. He’s made 14 starts and worked 85 innings, pitching to a 2.86 ERA despite playing his home games in one of the league’s more hitter-friendly parks. Castillo has punched out a quality 25.8% of opposing hitters against a solid 8% walk rate. This season’s 47.1% grounder percentage is down a bit relative to his 2019-21 levels, but it remains a few points better than the league average.

                                                              That kind of high-end production is about what we’ve come to expect from Castillo, who has cemented himself as one of the sport’s top arms over the past few seasons. He’s posted an ERA under 4.00 in each of the last four years, carrying a cumulative 3.49 mark in 91 starts since the beginning of the 2019 campaign. That’s 24th among 98 qualified starters over that stretch. His 26.8% strikeout rate ranks 23rd among that group, and he’s 12th with a 14.2% swinging strike percentage (whiffs per pitch). He’s complemented the strikeout stuff with a massive 54.8% ground-ball percentage that ranks among the top ten.
                                                              Few pitchers can match Castillo’s combination of whiffs and grounders, and the 29-year-old backs it up with an impressive arsenal. He’s one of the harder throwing starters, averaging just shy of 97 MPH on both his four-seam and sinker. Castillo’s bread-and-butter secondary pitch, his changeup, is among the game’s top offspeed offerings, and he’s gotten strong results on his slider as well.
                                                              Castillo will move to the front of a rotation that suddenly looks to be one of the more fearsome in the sport. The M’s signed reigning AL Cy Young winner Robbie Ray to a five-year deal over the winter, and second-year hurler Logan Gilbert has a 2.78 ERA through 21 starts. Rookie George Kirby, who was generally considered among the top handful of pitching prospects entering the season, has a 3.50 ERA through his first 13 big league outings. Chris Flexen and Marco Gonzales aren’t high-strikeout arms, but they’re more than capable back-of-the-rotation types.
                                                              Seattle will want to keep an eye on the innings totals for Gilbert and Kirby, so there’d have been sense in even adding a stable back-end arm. Instead, president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto and his staff swung bigger to bolster the 54-46 club they expect to snap the franchise’s two-decade playoff drought. Should they make the postseason, the front office and fanbase alike would no doubt feel strongly about their ability to match opponents’ top three arms with Castillo, Ray and Gilbert.
                                                              The deal is about more than just the 2022 season, as Castillo will be arbitration-eligible for a final time this winter. He’s making $7.35MM this year, around $2.75MM of which has yet to be paid out. He’ll earn a decent raise in arbitration but still have a plenty affordable salary — likely around the $12MM range. That’s an obvious bargain for a pitcher of his caliber, making a year and a half of his services incredibly valuable.
                                                              That’s reflected in the return, which looks very strong. Marte and Arroyo were the top two prospects in the Seattle system on Baseball America’s most recent top 100, respectively checking in 47th and 48th in the league. Marte, the most well-known of the group, entered the season ranked among the game’s top 15 farmhands in the estimation of each of Keith Law of the Athletic, FanGraphs and Kiley McDaniel of ESPN.
                                                              A 6’3″ infielder out of the Dominican Republic, Marte is universally projected as a possible plus power hitter capable of racking up 25 or more home runs annually at his peak. He has played exclusively shortstop in the minors, and while evaluators suggest he might eventually grow off that position, he’s expected to stick on the infield as a possible above-average third baseman. He’s spent the year in High-A as a 20-year-old, putting up an impressive .270/.360/.460 line with 15 homers, a strong 10.8% walk rate and a manageable 21.1% strikeout percentage through 389 plate appearances.
                                                              Arroyo, 18, was Seattle’s second-round pick in last year’s draft. The Puerto Rico native has already notably elevated his stock in his first full professional season, raking at a .316/.385/.514 clip in Low-A. He’s collected 13 homers and 19 doubles and stolen 21 bases. That kind of offensive performance was unexpected, as the switch-hitter entered the season more well-regarded for his potential plus defense at shortstop than his bat.
                                                              Stoudt recently checked in as the M’s #10 prospect, per Baseball America. The 24-year-old righty has struggled at Double-A this year, pitching to a 5.28 ERA across 87 innings. He has a slightly below-average 22% strikeout rate and a tiny 5.9% walk percentage that look more palatable, however. BA writes that he works in the 94-98 MPH range with his fastball and has a solid array of secondary offerings, led by his changeup. The 2019 3rd-round pick will have to be added to the 40-man roster this offseason to keep him from being selected in the Rule 5 draft. He’s regarded as a possible back-of-the-rotation starter.
                                                              Moore, not to be confused with the former Seattle starter of the same name, was a 14th-round pick out of junior college last year. The 22-year-old righty has worked exclusively out of the bullpen in Low-A, posting a 1.95 ERA through 32 1/3 innings with a ridiculous 43.6% strikeout rate. He’s generally facing younger competition and has walked almost 13% of opponents, but BA recently wrote that he features a 95-97 MPH fastball and a swing-and-miss breaking pitch. He’ll add an interesting lower level bullpen arm to the Cincinnati system.
                                                              The trade — which marks the second time in four months these two teams have lined up on a blockbuster — will have plenty of repercussions. Seattle’s decision to push in arguably their top two prospects for one of the sport’s best starters reinforces that the M’s view themselves as a legitimate contender in the American League. It also seemingly signifies they’re out of the running for Juan Soto, although there’s still plenty of upper level talent for Dipoto and his group to further bolster the roster over the next three days. Second base looks like a possible target area, as does backup catcher. Castillo, though, figures to be the splash — the impact addition designed to put a team that’s generally strong around the diamond over the top.
                                                              As for the Reds, it’s the second (and likely most notable) trade they’ll make this week as they strip down the big league roster in search of future talent. Castillo’s former rotation mate Tyler Mahle could soon join him in being moved for a marquee return (although not likely one as strong as this). Rental hitters like Brandon Drury and Donovan Solano won’t recoup a franchise-altering package, but there’s little reason for them not to join Tyler Naquin and Castillo in changing clubs.
                                                              With Castillo off the market, Mahle and A’s hurler Frankie Montas become the top two rotation trade candidates, in addition to a handful of high-impact arms who might be available despite having control windows extending beyond 2023. Teams like the Yankees, Cardinals, Rangers and Twins are known to be in the market for rotation help. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com tweets that 12 teams were in contact with the Reds about Castillo and suggests the Yankees’ offer was close to the quality of Seattle’s. Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic indicates Texas made a strong push as well. In the end, the Mariners put the best offer on the table, leaving plenty of others to look elsewhere over the next 72 hours.
                                                              Strong move by the Mariners to go out and solidify their pitching staff which has been a strength of theirs this season. Castillo is really good and should help them make that push for a playoff berth. Kind of surprising that a team like the Yankees didn't try to acquire Castillo who was the best starting pitcher available on the trade market.
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                                                              • JAKEPEAVY21
                                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                • 03-11-11
                                                                • 29240

                                                                #1571
                                                                Originally posted by jrgum3
                                                                Strong move by the Mariners to go out and solidify their pitching staff which has been a strength of theirs this season. Castillo is really good and should help them make that push for a playoff berth. Kind of surprising that a team like the Yankees didn't try to acquire Castillo who was the best starting pitcher available on the trade market.
                                                                They gave up a king's ransom. If I was a Seattle fan, I'd be upset.
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                                                                • Otters27
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 07-14-07
                                                                  • 30749

                                                                  #1572
                                                                  Royals Barlow huge meltdown
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                                                                  • Cross
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 04-15-11
                                                                    • 5777

                                                                    #1573
                                                                    Trade deadline just starting to heat up.
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                                                                    • boscokid
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 04-03-10
                                                                      • 1496

                                                                      #1574
                                                                      Mariners trade probably puts a stake thru George Kirby value this year
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                                                                      • jrgum3
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 07-21-17
                                                                        • 7005

                                                                        #1575
                                                                        Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
                                                                        They gave up a king's ransom. If I was a Seattle fan, I'd be upset.
                                                                        Yeah they mortgaged the future but I would be somewhat happy my team was going all in to try and make the playoffs for the first time in forever though. I guess you're right they gave up a lot but sometimes that's what it takes to get the top pitcher on the market.
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