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  • EmpireMaker
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 06-18-09
    • 15578

    #3151
    21. Anthony Rizzo. Three years, $45MM.
    TD: Marlins / SA: Red Sox / AF: Braves
    As the longtime face of the Cubs, it seemed like the club would hammer out an extension with Rizzo even if they intended to take a step back in 2022. He’d already signed a seven-year extension in 2013, which turned into a nine-year contract once both club options were exercised. As of March 31st of this year, Cubs GM Jed Hoyer was “very confident” a deal would get done and Rizzo had used the word “optimistic.” The Cubs’ initial offer was reportedly for five years and $70MM, while Rizzo sought something closer to Paul Goldschmidt’s $130MM deal. An agreement was not reached, and once the Cubs fell out of contention, Rizzo was traded to the Yankees.
    At age 32, Rizzo’s play seems more solid than spectacular. He’s posted a 109 wRC+ in 819 plate appearances since 2020, roughly on par with Josh Bell, Jonathan Schoop, Miguel Sano, and Eric Hosmer. To sign Rizzo to a deal well beyond our projection would require placing a large value on intangibles, or expecting him to defy the aging curve and return to his 2019 form. Still, Rizzo is free of a qualifying offer and faces limited competition at first base unless Freddie Freeman and/or Brandon Belt make it to the market. Many clubs could find a spot for him, especially if the NL DH adds flexibility.
    22. Anthony DeSclafani. Three years, $42MM.
    TD: Mets / SA: Mariners / AF: Cardinals
    DeSclafani had put together some solid 3-WAR type seasons for the Reds in 2015 and 2019, but he scuffled in 2020 with a right teres major strain that limited him to seven starts. The Giants jumped in with a one-year, $6MM contract and a rotation job. The result was a 3.17 ERA that ranked 11th in the NL among those with at least 150 innings.
    In five of the past seven seasons, DeSclafani has started at least 20 games — the exceptions being the shortened 2020 season and 2017, when he missed the season due to a ligament issue in his right elbow (but notably avoided surgery). In four of his five mostly healthy seasons, “Disco” has pitched to a 4.05 ERA or better.
    DeSclafani’s skills and history suggest he’s more of a 4.00 ERA type pitcher than the 3.17 level he showed in 2021, but that would still be plenty valuable for clubs seeking mid-rotation innings at a reasonable price. We discussed whether a four-year deal was possible and agreed it’s not out of the question, but we see a three-year deal as the likelier outcome.
    Though Giants president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi issued a qualifying offer to Brandon Belt this offseason and Kevin Gausman last winter, he chose not to take the plunge on DeSclafani. We believe DeSclafani would have accepted, and perhaps the Giants didn’t want to tie up that hefty one-year salary so early in the offseason. DeSclafani may yet return to the Giants, but he’s now free to explore the market without being hampered by the QO. The Tigers, Royals, Twins, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Angels, Mariners, Rangers, Mets, Nationals, and Cubs are among the other teams that make sense.
    23. Justin Verlander. Two years, $40MM.
    TD: Giants / SA: Giants / AF: Braves
    Like Scherzer, Verlander is a future Hall of Famer likely to sign a high-AAV, short-term deal. The difference is that Verlander, 39 in February, underwent Tommy John surgery in October 2020. He missed almost the entirety of that season and all of 2021, but won the AL Cy Young award in 2019 and finished second in 2018.
    Verlander will be 17 months from his surgery in March of next year, so he should be able to have a normal Spring Training (barring a lockout). Even if his 220 inning days are behind him, Verlander will appeal greatly to contenders. Though Verlander has pitched only six innings since 2020, the Astros issued him a qualifying offer. In October, Astros owner Jim Crane suggested Verlander will be “looking for a contract of some length,” implying perhaps a two-year pact. If things somehow don’t work out between Verlander and the Astros, the Red Sox, Yankees, Blue Jays, Tigers, Angels, Mariners, Braves, Mets, Cardinals, Dodgers, Padres, and Giants could be interested.
    24. Avisail Garcia. Three years, $36MM.
    TD: Royals / SA: Marlins / AF: Rockies
    Garcia, 30, put together a solid season in 2021. He posted a 115 wRC+ with a career-best 29 home runs in 135 games as the Brewers’ right fielder. Defensively, he seems to be at least average, depending on your metric of choice. Garcia has 88th percentile sprint speed and is very strong in most Statcast batting metrics. He’s a player who seems like he could have another level, but that was also true when he signed his two-year deal with the Brewers. Garcia could be a fit for the Marlins, Royals, Rangers, Mets, Cubs, Reds, and Rockies if the Brewers don’t bring him back.
    25. Jorge Soler. Three years, $36MM.
    TD: Brewers / SA: Rockies / AF: Marlins
    Soler defected from Cuba in 2011 and signed a nine-year, $30MM deal with the Cubs. He was a part of the Cubs’ 2016 championship team, but was traded to the Royals for Wade Davis after that season. In 2019, Soler shook off a long injury history to set the Royals’ franchise record with 48 home runs – perhaps in part because he played 107 games at DH and only 56 in the field. Soler played 752 innings in right field this year, his most in the field since 2015 – in part because the Royals traded him to the Braves at the deadline. He’s never been a good fielder, and rated as one of the game’s worst defensive right fielders this year.
    Soler struggled mightily in the first half of the season, but from July 20th forward, he posted a 144 wRC+ that ranked 21st in all of baseball. Soler capped his season by winning the World Series MVP, crushing three big home runs against the Astros. 30 in February, Soler lights up Statcast and demonstrated his ceiling back in 2019, even if he played at replacement level overall this year. If the NL gets the DH, Soler could snag a three-year deal.
    26. Alex Wood. Three years, $30MM.
    TD: Mariners / SA: Nationals / AF: Twins
    Wood, 31 in January, was a second round pick by the Braves out of the University of Georgia back in 2012. He was sent to the Dodgers in a three-team, 13-player swap at the 2015 trade deadline, and then moved to the Reds in another complicated trade in December 2018. However, Wood tallied only 48 1/3 frames from 2019-20, resulting in a pair of cheap one-year free agent deals with the Dodgers and Giants.
    When healthy, Wood has always been effective. He made only seven starts for the 2019 Reds due to a back injury. He cracked the Dodgers’ rotation in the shortened 2020 season, but quickly went down for shoulder inflammation and pitched mostly in relief upon his return. For the Giants, though, Wood was healthy for the first time since 2018, making 27 starts despite starting on the IL due to a March back procedure and later missing time due to COVID-19. Wood’s 26 K% ranks sixth among free agent starters, and he’ll cost a lot less than those ranked ahead of him. He’s also free of a qualifying offer, but that’s true of the other mid-range starters as well.
    27. Steven Matz. Three years, $27MM.
    TD: Red Sox / SA: Angels / AF: Nationals
    Matz, a 30-year-old lefty, was drafted out of high school by the Mets in the second round in 2009. He underwent Tommy John surgery in May 2010. Matz finally debuted for the Mets in 2015, pitching well enough to get the ball in Game 4 of the World Series. He became a rotation mainstay in the four years that followed, pitching fairly well aside from a 2017 season mostly lost to elbow woes. Matz made 60 starts with a 4.09 ERA from 2018-19, but was yanked from the rotation in 2020 after five rough starts. Considered a possible non-tender candidate after that season, Matz was instead signed and shipped to the Blue Jays in a trade.
    Matz pitched well for the Jays, with a 3.82 ERA in 29 starts. His strikeout and walk rates were roughly league average. Only six left-handed starters threw harder than Matz’s 94.5 miles per hour average this year, so it’s possible suitors will aim to unlock another level of strikeout ability in him. Matz declined a reported multiyear proposal from the Blue Jays, who declined to make him a qualifying offer. Other clubs seeking an middle of the rotation arm like Matz might include the Tigers, Royals, Twins, Angels, Mariners, Rangers, Nationals, Cubs, Cardinals, and Giants.
    28. Kendall Graveman. Three years, $27MM.
    TD: Astros / SA: Royals / AF: Dodgers
    Graveman, 31 in December, was drafted in the eighth round by the Blue Jays out of Mississippi State back in 2013. He joined the A’s in the Josh Donaldson trade the following year. Graveman served as a groundball-heavy, pitch-to-contact starter for the A’s from 2015-17, putting up a 4.11 ERA in 71 starts. Graveman lost his rotation job early in the 2018 season, and then went down for Tommy John surgery in July of that year. The A’s cut him loose, and the Cubs signed him with an eye on the 2020 season.
    The Cubs chose to decline the option, leading to a $1.5MM deal with the Mariners for ’20. Graveman’s 11 appearances that year didn’t impress, but his fastball ticked up close to 95 out of the bullpen and he figured out a four-seam fastball during quarantine. A benign bone tumor was discovered in Graveman’s spine, but he was able to pitch with it. Graveman’s club option was declined again after the season, but this time he re-upped with the Mariners for $1.25MM for ’21.
    Graveman put it all together for the Mariners this year, posting a 0.82 ERA and 28.1 K% before the club surprisingly traded him to the division-rival Astros for Abraham Toro and Joe Smith. Though Graveman’s control slipped with the Astros, he still performed capably and assumed a key role in their bullpen through the postseason. Graveman’s skills form a rare combination, as only three relievers this year can boast of a 96 mile per hour fastball, 27 K%, and 54% groundball rate. He may be the best setup option on the market, and should draw interest from just about every contender.
    29. Kenley Jansen. Two years, $26MM.
    TD: Blue Jays / SA: Blue Jays / AF: Royals
    Barely a year after spending most of his season catching for the High-A Inland Empire 66ers, Kenley Jansen made his MLB debut as a hard-throwing reliever at Dodger Stadium against the Mets in 2010. Armed with little more than a devastating cutter, Jansen began a run of domination out of the Dodgers’ bullpen that resulted in a 2.08 ERA over his first eight seasons. In January 2017, after fielding even larger offers from other teams, Jansen-re-signed with the Dodgers on a five-year, $80MM deal that still stands as the second-largest ever given to a reliever.
    Though still very good, Jansen started to waver a bit in 2018, posting career-worsts in ERA, strikeout rate, and home run rate. He blew saves in Games 3 and 4 of the 2018 World Series, undergoing heart surgery in the offseason. Jansen battled through eight blown saves in 2019, posting a career-worst 3.71 ERA. After Jansen blew the save in Game 4 of the 2020 Series, manager Dave Roberts called on Blake Treinen and Julio Urias to close out Games 5 and 6.
    Jansen began reducing his cutter usage in 2019 after typically throwing the pitch 85-90% of the time. He was down to 58% in ’21, to solid results. While Jansen’s ERA fell back down to 2.22 and was unscored upon in seven postseason innings, Jansen’s 12.9 BB% was the worst he’s had in a full season. Now 34 years old, the second act of Jansen’s career figures to be respectable, if not dominant. Jansen is ineligible for a qualifying offer, having received one previously. If the Dodgers decide to finally move on, the Red Sox, Blue Jays, Astros, Angels, Braves, Marlins, Phillies, and Padres could be potential suitors.
    30. Mark Canha. Two years, $24MM.
    TD: Guardians / SA: Guardians / AF: Guardians
    Canha, 33 in February, was drafted in the seventh round out of UC Berkeley in 2010 by the Marlins. The Rockies took him in the 2014 Rule 5 draft, immediately trading him to the A’s. He was able to hit well enough as a rookie in 2015 to stick on the roster, but required season-ending hip surgery in May of the following season. Canha was up and down in the Majors in 2017 and underwent wrist surgery after the season.
    In 2018, Canha was finally able to stick in the bigs for good, posting a 115 wRC+. His best season was 2019, when he hit 26 home runs for a 146 wRC+ and four wins above replacement in 126 games. Canha has a strong .366 on-base percentage since 2020, but has slugged only .393 – perhaps the result of playing his home games at RingCentral Coliseum. The lack of power and hard hits does show up in Canha’s Statcast metrics. Defensively, Canha is able to play all three outfield positions capably.
    For a team seeking to bolster its OBP, Canha is a strong addition who may be limited to a two-year term given his age. The Guardians, Marlins, Mets, Phillies, Rockies, and Giants could be fits.
    31. Kyle Seager. Two years, $24MM.
    TD: Blue Jays / SA: Blue Jays / AF: Mets
    Among free agents, only Marcus Semien hit more home runs than Seager’s 35 this year. Seager may have sold out for power, however, as he posted a career-worst strikeout rate and batting average. Seager still probably profiles as a 110 wRC+ type bat, and the 34-year-old plays above-average defense. Drafted by the Mariners in the third round in 2009 out of UNC, Seager has played 11 seasons with the club due to a seven-year extension signed in December 2014. The free agent market is short on regular third basemen this year, and the Blue Jays, Phillies, and Mets could make sense.
    32. Michael Conforto. One year, $20MM.
    TD: Braves / SA: White Sox / AF: Brewers
    Conforto, 29 in March, seemed primed for a large contract heading into the 2021 season. Instead, he tumbled to a 106 wRC+, his worst mark since 2016. In the four years prior, Conforto stood at 133, 18th in baseball among those with at least 1,500 plate appearances during that time. The longtime Met can play either outfield corner, and can be used in center in a pinch. In general, his right field defense has been average.
    There will be teams that happily make Conforto a multiyear offer, crediting his long track record as one of the game’s better left-handed hitters over his mediocre 2021. The guess here is that Conforto will turn down the qualifying offer, find the multiyear offers insufficient, and sign a comparable one-year deal with a new team to rebuild value and shake off the QO. Yasmani Grandal and Marcell Ozuna followed this model successfully. If the Mets don’t hammer something out with Conforto, he could fit with the Rangers, Braves, Phillies, Cubs, Brewers, Rockies, Padres, Guardians, and Royals.
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    • EmpireMaker
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 06-18-09
      • 15578

      #3152
      Two-time Cy Young winner Justin Verlander, who has pitched just six innings since the conclusion of the 2019 season due to 2020 Tommy John surgery, held a free-agent showcase this week. Representatives from as many as 15 to 20 teams this week, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post, adding that Verlander’s fastball was clocked from 94 to 97 mph. He’s presently about 13 and a half months out from the surgery and will be 17 months removed from the procedure by the time Spring Training is set to begin.
      As one would expect, the list of known teams in attendance at the showcase includes a blend of big-market contenders and a few rebuilding clubs looking to turn the corner and get back into competitive ball. Britt Ghiroli of The Athletic tweets that the Yankees, Rangers and Tigers were in attendance. Sherman notes that the Mets had two scouts present for Verlander’s workout. TSN’s Scott Mitchell adds the Blue Jays to the pile, and the Post’s Ken Davidoff lists the Giants as another suitor. Angels GM Perry Minasian told reporters that the Halos had someone present to watch Verlander as well (Twitter link via The Athletic’s Sam Blum).
      Of course, given the stage of the offseason we’re at, it’s safe to assume that virtually any team with a modicum of 2022 postseason hope and/or any actual money to spent this offseason was at least present to gauge Verlander’s readiness. As Red Sox chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom asked rhetorically when confirming his club’s presence at the showcase (link via Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe): “Age might affect the term you consider, but if the present ability is there, why wouldn’t you be interested?”
      By all accounts, the showcase went quite well. Beyond the multiple reports pegging Verlander’s velocity in the mid- to upper-90s, Sherman indicates that Verlander was able to throw all of his pitches and looked sharp across the board. Chandler Rome of the Houston Chronicle tweets that one scout offered a simple, two-word assessment of Verlander after watching his open audition: “He’s ready.”
      It’s certainly worth noting that the showcase was held at the Cressey Performance Center — a facility run by Yankees director of health and performance Eric Cressey. Corey Kluber held his own showcase there last year and ultimately signed with the Yankees, but the mere location of Verlander’s workout doesn’t make a deal with the Yankees a foregone conclusion.
      The Astros made a one-year, $18.4MM qualifying offer to Verlander over the weekend, but the widespread expectation is that he’ll reject that in search of a multi-year offer. Astros owner Jim Crane said last month that Verlander would likely be looking for a “contract of some length” in free agency, heavily implying at least a two-year term. Furthermore, hosting a showcase for two-thirds of the league is an obvious indicator that Verlander is interested in seeing what the market has to bear.
      Verlander, 39 in February, didn’t pitch in 2021 and threw just six innings in 2020. Of course, in his last healthy season, he won the 2019 American League Cy Young Award after posting a 2.58 ERA in an MLB-best 223 innings with a huge 35.4% strikeout rate against a 5.0% walk rate. Verlander has said on multiple occasions in the past that he hopes to pitch well into his 40s.
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      • jrgum3
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 07-21-17
        • 7005

        #3153
        Originally posted by EmpireMaker
        Two-time Cy Young winner Justin Verlander, who has pitched just six innings since the conclusion of the 2019 season due to 2020 Tommy John surgery, held a free-agent showcase this week. Representatives from as many as 15 to 20 teams this week, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post, adding that Verlander’s fastball was clocked from 94 to 97 mph. He’s presently about 13 and a half months out from the surgery and will be 17 months removed from the procedure by the time Spring Training is set to begin.
        As one would expect, the list of known teams in attendance at the showcase includes a blend of big-market contenders and a few rebuilding clubs looking to turn the corner and get back into competitive ball. Britt Ghiroli of The Athletic tweets that the Yankees, Rangers and Tigers were in attendance. Sherman notes that the Mets had two scouts present for Verlander’s workout. TSN’s Scott Mitchell adds the Blue Jays to the pile, and the Post’s Ken Davidoff lists the Giants as another suitor. Angels GM Perry Minasian told reporters that the Halos had someone present to watch Verlander as well (Twitter link via The Athletic’s Sam Blum).
        Of course, given the stage of the offseason we’re at, it’s safe to assume that virtually any team with a modicum of 2022 postseason hope and/or any actual money to spent this offseason was at least present to gauge Verlander’s readiness. As Red Sox chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom asked rhetorically when confirming his club’s presence at the showcase (link via Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe): “Age might affect the term you consider, but if the present ability is there, why wouldn’t you be interested?”
        By all accounts, the showcase went quite well. Beyond the multiple reports pegging Verlander’s velocity in the mid- to upper-90s, Sherman indicates that Verlander was able to throw all of his pitches and looked sharp across the board. Chandler Rome of the Houston Chronicle tweets that one scout offered a simple, two-word assessment of Verlander after watching his open audition: “He’s ready.”
        It’s certainly worth noting that the showcase was held at the Cressey Performance Center — a facility run by Yankees director of health and performance Eric Cressey. Corey Kluber held his own showcase there last year and ultimately signed with the Yankees, but the mere location of Verlander’s workout doesn’t make a deal with the Yankees a foregone conclusion.
        The Astros made a one-year, $18.4MM qualifying offer to Verlander over the weekend, but the widespread expectation is that he’ll reject that in search of a multi-year offer. Astros owner Jim Crane said last month that Verlander would likely be looking for a “contract of some length” in free agency, heavily implying at least a two-year term. Furthermore, hosting a showcase for two-thirds of the league is an obvious indicator that Verlander is interested in seeing what the market has to bear.
        Verlander, 39 in February, didn’t pitch in 2021 and threw just six innings in 2020. Of course, in his last healthy season, he won the 2019 American League Cy Young Award after posting a 2.58 ERA in an MLB-best 223 innings with a huge 35.4% strikeout rate against a 5.0% walk rate. Verlander has said on multiple occasions in the past that he hopes to pitch well into his 40s.
        The Giants were said to be looking at Verlander but I think they should go after one of the younger starters on the market. Jon Gray is one guy I think they could go out and get and I'd be okay with that. He's been a solid starter for Colorado and I think he'd be a good fit for the Giants who are actually rumored to be in on him this offseason since they need to address their rotation.
        Last edited by jrgum3; 11-11-21, 05:14 AM.
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        • Otters27
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          #3154
          Who's the oldest free agent?
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          • JAKEPEAVY21
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            #3155
            Originally posted by jrgum3
            The Giants were said to be looking at Verlander but I think they should go after one of the younger starters on the market. Jon Gray is one guy I think they could go out and get and I'd be okay with that. He's been a solid starter for Colorado and I think he'd be a good fit for the Giants who are actually rumored to be in on him this offseason since they need to address their rotation.
            Gray could be a nice signing, he's had some nice seasons for Colorado.
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            • Cross
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 04-15-11
              • 5777

              #3156
              Verlander still commanding 20 million a year, crazy.
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              • JMobile
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 08-21-10
                • 19074

                #3157
                Originally posted by Otters27
                Who's the oldest free agent?
                Probably Kershaw. I think Dodgers won't sign Kershaw and instead go with Max Scherzer.
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                • stevenash
                  Moderator
                  • 01-17-11
                  • 65448

                  #3158
                  Unbelievable.
                  It's just barely Veteran's Day and I just read my first 2022 mock draft.

                  You will never guess who went first overall?
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                  • jrgum3
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 07-21-17
                    • 7005

                    #3159
                    Originally posted by stevenash
                    Unbelievable.
                    It's just barely Veteran's Day and I just read my first 2022 mock draft.

                    You will never guess who went first overall?
                    Normally I'd guess Trout but after this past season I can see some people gunshy to pull the trigger on him given his missed time due to injury so I'll say Juan Soto went first.
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                    • stevenash
                      Moderator
                      • 01-17-11
                      • 65448

                      #3160
                      Originally posted by jrgum3
                      Normally I'd guess Trout but after this past season I can see some people gunshy to pull the trigger on him given his missed time due to injury so I'll say Juan Soto went first.
                      Trea Turner.

                      Trout was 6th
                      Ohtani was 5th.

                      I don't think Ohtani is pitcher eligible though, pretty sure he isn't
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                      • jrgum3
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 07-21-17
                        • 7005

                        #3161
                        Originally posted by stevenash
                        Trea Turner.

                        Trout was 6th
                        Ohtani was 5th.

                        I don't think Ohtani is pitcher eligible though, pretty sure he isn't
                        Hmm interesting I was actually going to say Ohtani was probably up there after the numbers he put up last year but went with Soto as my guess instead because I imagine he'll go first in some leagues depending on your league. Turner is good but I wouldn't draft him first overall that's just me though.
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                        • JAKEPEAVY21
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                          #3162
                          Originally posted by stevenash
                          Trea Turner.

                          Trout was 6th
                          Ohtani was 5th.

                          I don't think Ohtani is pitcher eligible though, pretty sure he isn't
                          That seems laughable. How on Earth is Turner ahead of Tatis?
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                          • Cross
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 04-15-11
                            • 5777

                            #3163
                            Trae Turner seems like a stretch to me, wow.
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                            • stevenash
                              Moderator
                              • 01-17-11
                              • 65448

                              #3164
                              Originally posted by Cross
                              Trae Turner seems like a stretch to me, wow.
                              Fantasy Baseball: Early 12-team Rotisserie mock draft for 2022 shows hitting is king again (msn.com)
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                              • EmpireMaker
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 06-18-09
                                • 15578

                                #3165
                                Turner probably has his most value in roto, but never first. Personally, I wouldn't even take him in the 1st round.
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                                • JMobile
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 08-21-10
                                  • 19074

                                  #3166
                                  Dodgers making offers to Chris Taylor and Seager
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                                  • daneblazer
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                                    • 27861

                                    #3167
                                    Nfbc adp is live

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                                    • Otters27
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                                      • 30750

                                      #3168
                                      When might MLB get new expansion teams.

                                      Never?
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                                      • Cross
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 04-15-11
                                        • 5777

                                        #3169
                                        I don’t see any expansion coming any time soon.
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                                        • JAKEPEAVY21
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                                          #3170
                                          Originally posted by JMobile
                                          Dodgers making offers to Chris Taylor and Seager
                                          Seems like both would get better offers from other teams.

                                          Seager to the Yankees is what I've been reading.
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                                          • daneblazer
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                                            #3171
                                            Seager gets hurt too much for me to shell out big $. If he can put it together a full season he could be mvp caliber
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                                            • JAKEPEAVY21
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                                              #3172
                                              Originally posted by daneblazer
                                              Seager gets hurt too much for me to shell out big $. If he can put it together a full season he could be mvp caliber
                                              Yankees need a SS and a left handed bat...makes sense
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                                              • EmpireMaker
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                                                • 06-18-09
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                                                #3173
                                                The 2019-20 AL Central champs faceplanted in a 2021 season that was disastrous enough for the Twins to trade away longtime top starter Jose Berrios. Owner Jim Pohlad has made clear that the Twins will not go into a rebuild, so president of baseball operations Derek Falvey and general manager Thad Levine will be looking for immediate help to remedy the roster.
                                                Guaranteed Contracts
                                                • Josh Donaldson, 3B: $50MM through 2023 (includes $8MM buyout of $16MM 2024 club option)
                                                • Max Kepler, OF: $16.25MM through 2023 (includes $1MM buyout of $10MM 2024 club option)
                                                • Jorge Polanco, 2B/SS: $12.5MM through 2023 (includes $1MM buyout of $10.5MM 2024 club option; contract also contains $12MM 2025 club option)
                                                • Miguel Sano, 1B/DH: $12MM through 2022 (includes $2.75MM buyout of $14MM 2023 club option)
                                                • Randy Dobnak, RHP: $8.55MM through 2025 (includes $1MM buyout of $6MM 2026 club option)
                                                • Kenta Maeda, RHP: $6MM through 2023
                                                • Total 2022 commitment: $45.8MM
                                                • Total long-term commitment: $105.3MM

                                                Arbitration-Eligible Players (projected salaries via MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz)

                                                Option Decisions
                                                • Alex Colome, RHP: Twins declined their end of a $5.5MM mutual option (paid $1.25MM buyout)

                                                Free Agents

                                                Very little went right for the Twins in 2021. Byron Buxton looked like an MVP candidate when healthy but played just 67 games thanks to a hip flexor strain and broken hand. The 2020 Cy Young runner-up, Kenta Maeda, pitched through hip and elbow troubles before undergoing Tommy John surgery. Mitch Garver, Michael Pineda and Max Kepler all had lengthy IL stays. Top prospect Royce Lewis tore his ACL before the season began. The similarly touted Alex Kirilloff tried to play through a torn ligament in his wrist before he, too, went under the knife. There was a team-wide Covid outbreak in late April. Nearly every free-agent pickup — J.A. Happ, Matt Shoemaker, Andrelton Simmons, Alex Colome — fell well short of expectations. Things snowballed quickly.
                                                The end result was not only a 73-89 record but also a deadline sell-off that few would’ve expected on Opening Day. Jose Berrios, Nelson Cruz, Hansel Robles and Happ were shipped out for younger players — a series of trades that netted the Twins a trio of prospects who are all featured on at least one prominent Top 100 ranking. Austin Martin, Simeon Woods Richardson and Joe Ryan are now among the team’s top farmhands, and Ryan has already gotten his feet wet in the Majors.
                                                That series of trades and a few free-agent departures leaves the Twins with quite a few holes on the big league roster. Based on the previously mentioned no-rebuild stance from ownership, it seems likely the Twins will seek to fill those holes this winter rather than completely tear down a roster that recently won a pair of division titles.
                                                That does not, however, preclude the Twins from making further subtractions from the current group. Among the team’s prominent trade candidates are the aforementioned Buxton, Kepler, Garver and perhaps younger backstop Ryan Jeffers. Josh Donaldson’s name came up at the trade deadline and could do so again this winter.
                                                The Twins and Buxton’s reps at Jet Sports discussed an extension this summer but were unable to come to terms on a deal. Reports indicated that Minnesota had been willing to commit $80MM over a seven-year term — a baseline framework amenable to both sides. However, Buxton’s camp sought a richer package of incentives in the event that the ultra-talented but oft-injured center fielder began to show more durability.
                                                The Twins and Buxton figure to rekindle extension talks this winter, and Buxton’s case can only be buoyed by the fact that he closed out the season with a .314/.375/.686 slash in his final 112 plate appearances after returning from that ill-timed hand fracture. If the two parties can’t find a middle ground, it’s plenty feasible that the Twins will field offers on one of the more dynamic talents in the game.
                                                In many ways, the difficulties in finding a common ground during extension talks would be mirrored in theoretical trade talks. Other clubs, particularly those seeking defensive upgrades, would relish the opportunity to install Buxton in center field. At the same time, he’s a free agent next winter, and his ongoing injury troubles will make teams wary of parting with too much in a potential trade. Buxton’s prodigious talent and repeated IL stints present the Twins with something of a conundrum, regardless of which path they explore.
                                                Elsewhere on the roster, the Twins could look to capitalize on affordable control and organizational depth. Kepler’s huge 2019 season looks like an outlier at this point, but he’s a terrific defender in right field who can handle center and has 25- to 30-homer pop. He may not be an All-Star, but his blend of walks, power and defense are appealing even if aggressive shifting and an extreme-pull approach will continue to suppress his batting average. With a healthier Kirilloff, a more-experienced Trevor Larnach and the looming debuts of top prospects Lewis and Martin — both can play shortstop and center field — the Twins have some depth to explore outfield trades.
                                                Behind the plate, both Garver and Jeffers have appeal as starting-caliber options. Garver has been one of the game’s most productive offensive catchers since his 2019 breakout (combined .254/.348/.546 slash, 135 wRC+). Jeffers entered the 2021 season as a Top 100 prospect, and while he didn’t hit like he did in his brief 2020 call to the Majors, he’s a strong defender with plenty of pop and untapped potential at the plate. He’s also 24 years old and under club control another five seasons. Garver is controlled through 2023. There’s room for both on the roster, particularly if Garver can spend some additional time at DH. Still, catching-needy clubs with pitching to spare (e.g. the Marlins) will surely be checking in with the Twins.
                                                However the Twins proceed on the trade market, they’ll likely focus on young pitching in return. The trade of Berrios, the injury to Maeda and the potential free-agent departure of Michael Pineda leave the rotation in a threadbare state. Joe Ryan, acquired from the Rays in the Cruz trade, ranks as Baseball America’s No. 91 prospect and posted a 4.05 ERA with a 30-to-5 K/BB ratio in 26 2/3 frames down the stretch. (Ryan also won a Silver Medal with Team USA in this year’s Olympics.) Rookie Bailey Ober had a quietly strong showing, rounding into form after a rough start (3.59 ERA, 20.9 K-BB% through 67 2/3 innings from July 1 onward).
                                                Beyond that pair of promising youngsters, there’s no certainty. That’s in large part due to the fact that the Twins’ injury troubles extended to the upper echelon of their pitching prospects, too. Each of Jhoan Duran, Jordan Balazovic, Matt Canterino and Josh Winder missed time due to injury, as did fifth starter/swingman Randy Dobnak. The club will hope to extract some quality innings from that group, and perhaps Woods Richardson, in 2022.
                                                The lack of current rotation pieces, however, will push the Twins to not only target controllable young arms in trade but also some veterans to plug right into the mix. The offseason trade market will include the likes of Sean Manaea, Chris Bassitt, Luis Castillo and Sonny Gray — any of whom could appeal to Minnesota. (Castillo and Gray, in particular, have multiple seasons of control remaining.) The Twins also have the means to be active in free agency; it’s just a question of the extent to which they’ll spend.
                                                First and foremost, coming off a disastrous season, the Twins aren’t likely to appeal to a Max Scherzer or Justin Verlander type — an older, high-end free agent seeking to jump right into an obvious contender’s rotation. It’s true that we’ve never seen the Twins sign a free agent for more than Ervin Santana’s four-year, $55MM contract back in 2014, but Minnesota has made $100MM+ offers to both Yu Darvish and Zack Wheeler in the past.
                                                With that in mind, it’s worth taking a quick high-level look at next year’s payroll. Minnesota has just $45.8MM in guaranteed money on the books for 2022. Even after factoring in around $25MM of arbitration salaries and pre-arb players to round out the roster, the Twins will be some $50MM south of their record $129MM payroll. Non-tenders and trades of current players could create further space, but there’s already a good bit of room to spend.
                                                It’d rank as something of an upset if they actually won the bidding on a Robbie Ray, Kevin Gausman or Marcus Stroman, but the Twins at least have the payroll capacity to compete for those types of names. They were reportedly very interested in Stroman at the 2019 deadline, when he was traded to the Mets, and they’d be a plausible landing spot for a free-agent arm who’s still relatively young, such as Eduardo Rodriguez. There’s some mutual interest in a Pineda reunion, and other mid-rotation options include Anthony DeSclafani, Alex Wood and Jon Gray, among many others. The Twins need at least two, if not three options to stabilize the starting staff this winter.
                                                Looking to the relief corps, things are similarly hazy. Taylor Rogers has been one of the game’s best left-handed relievers in recent years, but he ended the season on the injured list with a sprained ligament in his pitching hand. If the Twins are confident he’ll be good to go come Opening Day, a $6.7MM projected salary is plenty affordable. If there’s more doubt about his health, one can imagine they’ll at least debate whether to tender him a contract.
                                                With Colome’s option being declined and uncertainty about Rogers’ health, the Twins will be on the hunt for an arm or two. The current front office regime has only signed one free-agent reliever to a notable multi-year deal — Addison Reed’s ill-fated two-year, $16.75MM pact — so there’s little chance they’ll play at the top of the market, where Raisel Iglesias should command a three or four-year deal with an eight-figure annual salary. Kendall Graveman, too, could be in position for a three-year pact, but it’s reasonable enough to expect the Twins could be in on just about any other relief arm this winter. History suggests they’re likelier to ink a couple of lower-cost veterans than dole out a hefty two-year deal — perhaps bailing out a reliever whose market didn’t develop as hoped (much like they did with Colome last winter).
                                                Turning to the lineup, the Twins’ bevy of trade possibilities opens the door for any number of free-agent pursuits. They’re a clear fit for a shortstop now that Jorge Polanco has moved to second base and enjoyed a career year there. At the same time, when pitching is such a dire need, it’s worth wondering whether the best use of resources would be to plop down a nine-figure guarantee to one of the market’s top-end shortstops. Minnesota did have interest in Marcus Semien last winter, but there’s a difference between pursuing him as a potential bargain and paying top-of-the-market dollars on a five- or six-year deal this time around.
                                                If Buxton and/or Kepler is moved this winter, the Twins have the payroll space to pivot and bring in a veteran outfielder. Nelson Cruz’s departure could open the door for Minnesota to move Miguel Sano to DH and explore first base options — be it a free agent like Anthony Rizzo or a potential trade candidate such as Luke Voit. Sano himself is a candidate to be shopped, though it’s worth noting that he hit .251/.330/.503 with 21 homers in his final 375 plate appearances. Perhaps it’s just coincidence, but that production began the day after the league’s memo announcing foreign-substance checks for pitchers. It also stands to reason that Minnesota will at least talk to the 40-year-old Cruz about a 2022 return after two and a half very productive years at Target Field.
                                                If all of that seems rather ambiguous, it’s largely a reflection of the nature of the Twins’ current roster. While some of their division rivals have more straightforward paths this winter — the Royals will focus on bullpen help to supplement a young core; the Tigers are going to aggressively pursue a shortstop and a starting pitcher — the Twins are in a different spot. The core that emerged from their last rebuilding process is beginning to turn over, but the farm system is strong enough and the payroll clean enough that another multi-year rebuilding effort doesn’t seem necessary.
                                                Acquiring pitching is likely to be a focal point, but the open-ended nature of the Twins’ lineup gives Falvey, Levine and the rest of the front office the ability to get creative in building out the roster. A straightforward pursuit of rotation help could result in signing multiple veteran free agents, but the Twins could also focus on the trade market for their starting pitching needs and surprise as a landing spot for someone like Rizzo or Trevor Story. Buxton could be traded for even more controllable young talent or signed to serve as a franchise centerpiece in spite of durability concerns. The Twins don’t have to trade Kepler or have to trade a catcher, but other teams will inquire. The possibilities here are much more plentiful than with most clubs, and the reality is that the front office can’t even know for certain how it’ll play out.
                                                It all makes for a fairly fascinating offseason in Minnesota. As was the case with the 2021 trade deadline, Minnesota will be heavily involved in a broad-reaching number of storylines. The Twins might blur the lines between “buyer” and “seller” this offseason, but whatever shape their winter takes, they’ll be active.
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                                                • stevenash
                                                  Moderator
                                                  • 01-17-11
                                                  • 65448

                                                  #3174
                                                  Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
                                                  Yankees need a SS and a left handed bat...makes sense
                                                  Perfect fit.
                                                  He's close to Correa's level for many millions less.

                                                  The 'X' man is opting out after 2022, he's the next billion dollar SS.
                                                  Red Sox learned their lesson with Sale and others.

                                                  Meanwhile, and I'll post the blog later, I'm totally in love with what KC is doing.
                                                  Happy for Soler, Braves wanted him, they offered a real live arm for him, and let's face it, Soler was awful the past two years after that monster season he had and KC is log jammed with Soler type hitters.
                                                  He's a good kid.
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                                                  • JMobile
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 08-21-10
                                                    • 19074

                                                    #3175
                                                    You guys think Giants extending Kapler was a good move?
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                                                    • jrgum3
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 07-21-17
                                                      • 7005

                                                      #3176
                                                      Originally posted by JMobile
                                                      You guys think Giants extending Kapler was a good move?
                                                      Yes he was the best manager in baseball in 2021 and deserves an extension. What he did with the roster the Giants had is nothing short of amazing.
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                                                      • EmpireMaker
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 06-18-09
                                                        • 15578

                                                        #3177
                                                        Aaron Judge does not offer any two-headed equivocations when asked about his desire to remain with the Yankees long-term. Per MLB.com’s Bryan Hoch, Judge was pretty clear about his intentions, saying, “That would be a wish of mine, a goal of mine, to finish my career as a Yankee. If it was up to me, I would be a Yankee for the next 10 years, for sure.”
                                                        Of course, we’ve heard this sort of thing from players before. We’re not six months removed from Anthony Rizzo, Kris Bryant, and Javier Baez offering similar pull quotes about their time with the Cubs, and they’ve all now played home games outside of the Lakeview neighborhood of Chicago. As we learned from those Cubbies, the decision to stay in one uniform long-term isn’t strictly up to the player.
                                                        Granted, there’s no reason to think the Yankees would be in a position to deal Judge the way the Cubs sloughed off their stars, but he could be heading into his final season in the Bronx regardless. Judge will enter free agency after the 2022 season. And while the Yankees do not have any financial issues that should seriously threaten their ability to keep Judge, they do have a couple of hefty contracts on the books.
                                                        Gerrit Cole and Giancarlo Stanton have guaranteed contract for at least five years apiece beyond 2022, and if the winter plays out as expected, there may be another $100MM-to-$200MM deal on the books by the time spring training begins. It is largely assumed that, now that they’ve finally moved Gleyber Torres to the keystone, the Yankees will come away with one of the the winter’s top free agent shortstops,
                                                        Theoretically, reaching a long-term accord with the Yankees should be easy, though we know that’s hardly ever the case. The Yankees haven’t stayed successful by giving money away to every player that likes the cut of their jib in pinstripes.
                                                        Of course, Judge is a star by just about any measure. The 6’7″ outfielder has posted no worse than a 140 wRC+ in any season of the last five, including a 148 wRC+ mark last season. Sure, he has yet to replicate his 52 home run, 174 wRC+, 8.3 fWAR Rookie of the Year campaign that put him on the map in 2017, but in the four seasons since that breakout, Judge ranks 19th among all batters in total fWAR and tied for sixth by measure of wRC+.
                                                        Judge is also an underrated defender, an unequivocal plus in right field as well as a bit of an optical illusion because of his size. He racked up 11 defensive runs saved as a right fielder in 2021 while proving himself capable of manning the middle in a pinch. Judge played 158 innings in center, though with a mark of -2 defensive runs saved and -0.8 UZR.
                                                        The other drawback to a long-term deal for Judge is that the California native will turn 31 in April of the first year of any new deal that he signs. Judge has been durable in that he’s been a significant contributor in every season of his career. On the flip side, 2021 was just the second time Judge appeared in at least 70% of New York’s regular season games. There is risk, therefore, in signing Judge to a long-term pact, though if Judge is as enthusiastic as he seems, that calculation will certainly be part of GM Brian Cashman’s winter planning.
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                                                        • Cross
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 04-15-11
                                                          • 5777

                                                          #3178
                                                          Hot stove is going to be a while.
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                                                          • jrgum3
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 07-21-17
                                                            • 7005

                                                            #3179
                                                            Originally posted by Cross
                                                            Hot stove is going to be a while.
                                                            It often is. Usually the big names don't sign until January or so. I'm interested to see where the big names are going but it's going to be a while before we find out where they're going.
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                                                            • JAKEPEAVY21
                                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                              • 03-11-11
                                                              • 29265

                                                              #3180
                                                              Originally posted by Cross
                                                              Hot stove is going to be a while.
                                                              Will the Cubs make any moves to improve the team or continue the fire sale?
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                                                              • Stallion
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 03-21-10
                                                                • 3616

                                                                #3181
                                                                Fire sale and then rebuild.
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                                                                • Otters27
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 07-14-07
                                                                  • 30750

                                                                  #3182
                                                                  How will Gherrit Cole respond after the playoff performance?
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                                                                  • stevenash
                                                                    Moderator
                                                                    • 01-17-11
                                                                    • 65448

                                                                    #3183
                                                                    Quiz time.

                                                                    What make this stat line an extreme rarity?
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                                                                    • JMobile
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 08-21-10
                                                                      • 19074

                                                                      #3184
                                                                      Originally posted by jrgum3
                                                                      Yes he was the best manager in baseball in 2021 and deserves an extension. What he did with the roster the Giants had is nothing short of amazing.
                                                                      The only problem was the Giants ran out of gas in the playoffs
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                                                                      • jrgum3
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 07-21-17
                                                                        • 7005

                                                                        #3185
                                                                        Originally posted by JMobile
                                                                        The only problem was the Giants ran out of gas in the playoffs
                                                                        Yeah but the man won 107 games with a team that was expected to win 75. He's a good manager and deserved the extension. The Giants offense was nowhere to be found in the playoffs without Belt but I'd still extend Kapler which they did because he did a great job with the team they assembled this past season.
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