Blue ys will still be decent. Indians trying to compete with boston
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Otters27BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-14-07
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#3151Comment -
mr. leisureSBR Posting Legend
- 01-29-08
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#3152The Jays are going to miss his HR`s .Comment -
BigSpoonSBR MVP
- 11-04-10
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#3153Jays front office handled it all wrong. Could have brought him back if they were just more patient like the Dodgers were with their free agents. Offered him 4 years and $80M but only gave him less than 48 hrs to think about it before the free agency period started.Comment -
EmpireMakerSBR Posting Legend
- 06-18-09
- 15580
#31548:36pm: FOX’s Ken Rosenthal tweets that the deal is $60MM, not $65MM, over the three-year term of the contract. Encarnacion’s club option is worth $25MM and comes with a $5MM buyout, meaning his deal can max out at $80MM, per Rosenthal.
7:56pm: Passan now corrects his previous tweet, stating that Encarnacion will receive a guaranteed $65MM (Twitter link). The $5MM buyout on Encarnacion’s option is in addition to an annual salary of $20MM from 2017-19. Passan also tweets that there’s no opt-out in the contract.
7:48pm: The Indians have reached an agreement with free agent slugger Edwin Encarnacion, reports Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports (Twitter links). The Rep 1 Baseball client will sign a three-year deal plus an option, according to Heyman. He adds that Encarnacion will receive about $20MM per year on the deal. Yahoo’s Jeff Passan reports that it’s a $60MM guarantee for Encarnacion, and there’s a fourth-year option for $20MM with a $5MM buyout (Twitter links).
[Related: Updated Cleveland Indians Depth Chart / Cleveland Indians Payroll Info]
Encarnacion, 34 next month, will give Cleveland a younger and more productive replacement for the departed Mike Napoli — bolstering the lineup of a club that is fresh off an American League pennant and hoping for another deep postseason run in 2017. The longtime Blue Jays star slashed .263/.357/.529 with 42 home runs and a league-leading 127 runs batted in this past season. Over the past five years, Encarnacion has been one of Major League Baseball’s most feared hitters, compiling a stellar .272/.367/.544 batting line with 193 homers — an average of 39 big flies per year. In that time, Encarnacion trails only Chris Davis in total home runs, and he’s also ranked third in the Majors in isolated power (.273), fifth in slugging percentage and sixth in OPS (.912) among qualified hitters.
Adding a bat as potent as the one wielded by Encarnacion will give the Indians a formidable lineup to complement an outstanding rotation. Encarnacion should slot into the heart of the order, where he’ll be surrounded by Jason Kipnis, Francisco Lindor, Carlos Santana and a hopefully healthier Michael Brantley in 2017. Young Jose Ramirez took a massive step forward in terms of offensive production in 2016, and Tyler Naquin emerged as an unexpected power threat to further deepen the lineup. Encarnacion has spent the bulk of his time at DH in recent years, but he’s rated as a passable option at first base when in the field. He should split time at both positions with Santana next year, and following the 2017 season he can become a full-time designated hitter once Santana hits the open market.
The circumstances that led to Encarnacion’s arrival in Cleveland were somewhat surprising; the 33-year-old entered the offseason as arguably the most intimidating bat on the open market, but multiple clubs that looked to be fits either pivoted early due to his asking price or never engaged with Encarnacion at all. The Yankees signed Matt Holliday just as the Winter Meetings kicked off, for instance, while the Astros seemingly moved on just prior to that by signing Carlos Beltran. The Red Sox reportedly never made much of a run at all.
Encarnacion’s former team, the Blue Jays, seemed to be one of the best on-paper fits to retain his services. Toronto GM Ross Atkins and president Mark Shapiro reportedly made an offer of roughly $80MM over four years to Encarnacion back in early November, but Encarnacion and his agent felt it best to explore the market a bit more before making a decision on that offer. Unfortunately for them, the Jays changed course almost instantly, signing Kendrys Morales to a three-year $33MM deal on Nov. 11 and striking a two-year pact with Steve Pearce just under a month later. While the decision to reject that offer is easy to question in hindsight, Encarnacion can still reach that total in the end if his option is exercised.
In addition to Encarnacion’s age and defensive limitations, the biggest hindrance on his market may well have been the fact that he rejected a qualifying offer and is thus subject to draft pick compensation. The Indians entered the offseason with the 27th overall pick but saw that selection move up to 25th overall after the Cardinals signed Dexter Fowler and the Rockies signed Ian Desmond. Cleveland will part with that top pick in order to sign Encarnacion, while the Jays will receive a compensatory pick at the end of the first round.
Surrendering that pick was no small feat for Cleveland — a low-revenue team that can rarely engage in this type of free-agent expenditure and must instead rely on drafts and trades to build consistent contenders. However, Cleveland’s window to win is unquestionable open right now; in the rotation, Corey Kluber, Carlos Carrasco and Danny Salazar are all controlled through the 2019 season — the final guaranteed year of Encarnacion’s deal. Kipnis, too, is controlled through 2019, while relief aces Andrew Miller and Cody Allen are controlled through 2018. That collection of well-compensated stars is manageable for Cleveland with Santana coming off the books next season, while young stars Lindor and Ramirez are still a ways from reaching arbitration. Cleveland is also sitting on something of a World Series windfall following their Game 7 run in this year’s Fall Classic, making the immediate commitment a bit easier for the team to stomach.Comment -
Chi_archieSBR Aristocracy
- 07-22-08
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#3155Pirates sign Ivan novaComment -
koz-manSBR Hall of Famer
- 11-21-08
- 7102
#3156Cleveland is one of the select destinations that even remotely affects Edwin Encarnacion's fantasy value.
He's an extreme pull power hitter and Progressive Field has one of the deepest measurements down the line (325 feet) as well as the second-highest fence height (19 feet).
Standard Roto players, brace for a few of those homers turning into doubles (or long singles).Comment -
El NinoSBR Posting Legend
- 05-03-12
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#3157Supposedly Oakland made a huge offer to him too. He didn't want the long flight to the west coast for his Dominican family members though.Comment -
CrossSBR Hall of Famer
- 04-15-11
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#3158Indians taking advantage of their window to contend, nice move.Comment -
Andy117SBR Hall of Famer
- 02-07-10
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#3159Cleveland is one of the select destinations that even remotely affects Edwin Encarnacion's fantasy value.
He's an extreme pull power hitter and Progressive Field has one of the deepest measurements down the line (325 feet) as well as the second-highest fence height (19 feet).
Standard Roto players, brace for a few of those homers turning into doubles (or long singles).
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CrossSBR Hall of Famer
- 04-15-11
- 5777
#3160Encarnacion ain't worried about walls, he is a man!Comment -
EmpireMakerSBR Posting Legend
- 06-18-09
- 15580
#3161If he drops homer production this year the height of that wall will drop next year.Comment -
Chi_archieSBR Aristocracy
- 07-22-08
- 63167
#3162Cleveland is one of the select destinations that even remotely affects Edwin Encarnacion's fantasy value.
He's an extreme pull power hitter and Progressive Field has one of the deepest measurements down the line (325 feet) as well as the second-highest fence height (19 feet).
Standard Roto players, brace for a few of those homers turning into doubles (or long singles).
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koz-manSBR Hall of Famer
- 11-21-08
- 7102
#3163In addition to signing Jimmy Rollins, the Giants also signed OF Justin Ruggiano and 1B Michael Morse to minor-league deals. Ruggiano's claim to fame is that he's 5-for-11 with 3 HR vs new teammate, Madison Bumgarner. The 3 HR are his most vs a pitcher and make him 1 of 4 players with at least 3 vs Bumgarner. Morse helped the Giants (and Bumgarner) win a World Series, getting 2 RBIs in Game 7 against the Royals in 2014.Comment -
yismanSBR Aristocracy
- 09-01-08
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#3164In addition to signing Jimmy Rollins, the Giants also signed OF Justin Ruggiano and 1B Michael Morse to minor-league deals. Ruggiano's claim to fame is that he's 5-for-11 with 3 HR vs new teammate, Madison Bumgarner. The 3 HR are his most vs a pitcher and make him 1 of 4 players with at least 3 vs Bumgarner. Morse helped the Giants (and Bumgarner) win a World Series, getting 2 RBIs in Game 7 against the Royals in 2014.[quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
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[quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]Comment -
El NinoSBR Posting Legend
- 05-03-12
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#3165Yep, didn't even know Morse still played.Comment -
CrossSBR Hall of Famer
- 04-15-11
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#3166Morse a big popcorn muscle dude, lots of juicing there.Comment -
BigSpoonSBR MVP
- 11-04-10
- 4113
#3167Merry Christmas everybody. MLB season seems so far away.Comment -
EmpireMakerSBR Posting Legend
- 06-18-09
- 15580
#3168Merry Christmas Everyone !!!!
Spring training will be here before we know it, until then we can follow all of the off-season moves and speculate.Comment -
koz-manSBR Hall of Famer
- 11-21-08
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#3169Merry Christmas everybody.!! Looking forward to the season!!!!Comment -
Chi_archieSBR Aristocracy
- 07-22-08
- 63167
#3170In addition to signing Jimmy Rollins, the Giants also signed OF Justin Ruggiano and 1B Michael Morse to minor-league deals. Ruggiano's claim to fame is that he's 5-for-11 with 3 HR vs new teammate, Madison Bumgarner. The 3 HR are his most vs a pitcher and make him 1 of 4 players with at least 3 vs Bumgarner. Morse helped the Giants (and Bumgarner) win a World Series, getting 2 RBIs in Game 7 against the Royals in 2014.Comment -
EmpireMakerSBR Posting Legend
- 06-18-09
- 15580
#3171The Reds have been busy on the waiver wire, but quiet elsewhere. Beyond picking which young players upon which to make dice rolls, GM Dick Williams has largely held his hand thus far. That’s not terribly surprising, for a variety of reasons.
The club’s most obvious potential trade chips come with no-trade protection (Joey Votto, Brandon Phillips) or play positions that aren’t in huge demand (Phillips, Zack Cozart). There was never a strong prerogative to deal from among the Reds’ other controllable assets, such as righty Anthony DeSclafani and center fielder Billy Hamilton. At the same time, after spending about two years compiling prospects, the organization has plenty of young players who are ready to compete for major league opportunities in 2017, so there aren’t a lot of needs.
Still, it would be surprising if the team makes it through the winter without striking at least one major-league contract. Cincinnati nearly did so a winter ago, giving MLB deals only to Blake Wood and (in mid-March) Alfredo Simon. While the Yankees actually did manage to avoid handing out a 40-man spot to a free agent in 2015-16, it’s a rarity.
And it isn’t as if the Reds are fully loaded for 2017, particularly if they hope to have an outside chance at turning into a contender. In particular, the bullpen appears ripe for an addition. That’s especially true of the open closer role; while Raisel Iglesias, Michael Lorenzen, or even Tony Cingrani would represent internal options, giving any of those youngsters the opportunity would also mean boosting their expected arbitration earnings. Cincinnati might as well make the investment to add another arm, while utilizing them in set-up roles. Alternatively, or additionally, the Reds could look to add some veteran arms — either swingman types or pure relievers — to provide depth.
So, what are the options should Cincinnati decide to open up one of its prized 40-man roster spots? Let’s run down a few of the remaining bullpen arms that could make sense…
- Joe Blanton: After a pair of resurgent seasons split between the Royals, Pirates and Dodgers, it’s very possible that Blanton will be too expensive for Cincinnati’s tastes. He’s posted a 2.65 ERA across his past 165 MLB innings with good control and better than a strikeout per inning. He could find a high-leverage spot on a contending club, though Cincinnati could entice him by offering a ninth-inning role.
- Santiago Casilla: If Casilla wants to continue closing, his age and his September meltdown in 2016 might limit his opportunities. However, Cincinnati could offer him that type of opportunity with an eye toward flipping him in July if he performs well. His poor finish aside, Casilla has a 2.42 ERA in 394 2/3 regular-season innings dating back to 2010 and has whiffed better than a batter per inning in each of the past two seasons.
- Neftali Feliz: The former AL Rookie of the Year had a resurgent season in the Pirates’ bullpen this past season and could command a high-leverage role with Cincinnati (or another club) if his medicals check out. Feliz ended the season on the shelf but there’s been no word of any arm issues lingering into the offseason. He posted a 3.52 ERA with 61 strikeouts against 20 unintentional walks in 53 2/3 innings this past season.
- David Hernandez: Hernandez crashed and burned when given a short leash as Philadelphia’s closer early last season, but he rebounded to pitch quite well over the remainder of the season. The 31-year-old posted a 3.53 ERA and punched out 69 hitters against 28 walks in his final 66 1/3 innings of the 2016 campaign. As a presumably low-cost veteran arm with closing experience, he’d be a nice add to a Cincinnati bullpen that could develop into a trade chip down the line with a good full season.
- Greg Holland: Perhaps the highest-upside arm left on the market, Holland could potentially be lured to the Reds with a guarantee of pitching in the ninth inning from day one. Contending clubs may be wary to make such a commitment, but a rebuilding team like the Reds has little to lose. And while Holland may prefer to sign with a contender, he could also sign in Cincinnati with the guarantee of save opportunities and with the understanding that he’d be likely to be flipped to a contender come July if he rediscovered the form he showed from 2011-15 prior to Tommy John surgery (2.15 ERA, 12.2 K/9, 3.5 BB/9 in 301 innings).
- Yusmeiro Petit: The Reds don’t have anyone locked into a multi-inning role, but Petit could be had on an affordable one-year deal and fill that role while also serving as a safety net for an inexperienced rotation. The Nationals didn’t use him much down the stretch in 2016, and he struggled when he did take the hill, but he’s worked to a very solid 3.83 ERA with 8.5 K/9 against 2.0 BB/9 between the rotation and bullpen across the past five seasons (307 2/3 innings).
- Sergio Romo: The former Giants closer lost his ninth-inning role to the aforementioned Casilla late in his San Francisco tenure, but he’s been rock solid in terms of bottom-line results virtually every year in the Majors since debuting in 2008. The 33-year-old has only posted an ERA north of 3.00 in two MLB seasons and has a lifetime 2.58 ERA with 10.2 K/9 against 1.8 BB/9 in the Majors. He doesn’t throw hard, but Romo would bring loads of late-inning experience to a Reds team that is lacking in that area.
- Joe Smith: Like so many others on this list, Smith comes with some closing experience but has also worked in a setup capacity for a number of years. Set to turn 33 in March, Smith is a ground-ball specialist with a history of limiting the long ball — a trait that’d be appealing to the Reds, who play in a homer-happy home park. A 2.64 ERA over his past 389 MLB innings only adds to the appeal.
- Drew Storen: It’s been a stark downward spiral for Storen since the Nationals acquired Jonathan Papelbon in July 2015. Storen was demoted to a setup role, performed poorly, and found himself flipped to the Blue Jays, where his results weren’t any better. A midseason trade to the Mariners in 2016 didn’t improve his results, either. Rough stretch aside, the former No. 10 overall pick has a career 3.31 ERA and posted a 2.91 ERA with solid control and nearly a strikeout per inning from 2011-15. On a short-term deal, the upside for the Reds would be tantalizing.
- Shawn Tolleson: In 2015, Tolleson emerged as a surprise closer for the Rangers, saving 35 games and logging a 2.99 ERA in 72 1/3 innings — his second straight year with 70-plus innings and a sub-3.00 ERA. Tolleson imploded in 2016 and saw his strikeout rate plummet while his home-run rate skyrocketed. There are a number of reasons for interested suitors to have skepticism, but the Reds could offer a low-base one-year deal with the promise of a high-leverage role. If Tolleson returns to form, he’d be a summer trade chip at the very least. However, he’s also controllable through 2018, so the Reds could simply enjoy his services for a full year and reassess next winter if he rebounds in 2017.
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koz-manSBR Hall of Famer
- 11-21-08
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#3172The Dodgers officially announced the signing of free agent Justin Turner, who reportedly will receive a four-year, $64 million deal to remain the club's third baseman.
The breakdown of Justin Turner's $64MM Dodgers deal, according to the Associated Press: $4MM signing bonus payable Dec. 31, $12MM in 2017, $11MM in 2018, $18MM in 2019 and $19MM in 2020.Comment -
Chi_archieSBR Aristocracy
- 07-22-08
- 63167
#3173Joe Blanton could be one to take a flyer onComment -
BigSpoonSBR MVP
- 11-04-10
- 4113
#3174The Drew Storen for Ben Revere trade last winter was a lose-lose trade for both clubs at the time.Comment -
CrossSBR Hall of Famer
- 04-15-11
- 5777
#3175I wouldn't sign Blanton after watching his post season performance this year.Comment -
EmpireMakerSBR Posting Legend
- 06-18-09
- 15580
#3176The Dodgers officially announced the signing of free agent Justin Turner, who reportedly will receive a four-year, $64 million deal to remain the club's third baseman.
The breakdown of Justin Turner's $64MM Dodgers deal, according to the Associated Press: $4MM signing bonus payable Dec. 31, $12MM in 2017, $11MM in 2018, $18MM in 2019 and $19MM in 2020.Comment -
astro61200SBR MVP
- 09-15-07
- 4843
#3177Still not sure why the Rockies aren't moving 2 of CarGo/Blackmon/Parra. Dahl has no where to play, though he should beat out Parra. Then you have Tapia waiting in the minors. He doesn't walk at all, but neither do any of the 3 that should be on the block.Comment -
koz-manSBR Hall of Famer
- 11-21-08
- 7102
#317997 years ago today, the Red Sox sold Babe Ruth's contract to the New York Yankees for $100,000Comment -
BigSpoonSBR MVP
- 11-04-10
- 4113
#3182Comment -
CrossSBR Hall of Famer
- 04-15-11
- 5777
#3184What is money if you are the la dodgers? They laugh at luxury taxes.Comment -
El NinoSBR Posting Legend
- 05-03-12
- 18426
#3185The Doyers love eating terrible contracts.Comment
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