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  • EmpireMaker
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 06-18-09
    • 15580

    #1611
    Yulieski Gurriel officially became a free agent last week, making the Cuban star into the biggest X-factor of the summer trade market. For teams hesitant to give up young talent in a trade for a current MLB hitter, signing Gurriel would be the intriguing alternative. Why lose both premium prospects and money (in the form of a pre-existing contract) when you could just spend to sign arguably Cuba’s best player?
    Of course, trading for a known MLB quantity is also the safer route, as Gurriel has a few question marks. He just turned 32 years old, so (while his recent numbers in Japan and Cuba were as impressive as ever) Gurriel is at best nearing the end of his prime years and at worst would have his decline phase hastened by higher caliber of Major League pitching. Gurriel wouldn’t be an immediate upgrade either, as he’d need at least a few weeks in the minors due to not playing in actual game conditions since defecting in February.
    Rightly or wrongly, Gurriel’s stature may also be affected by the fact that several other high-profile Cuban players recently signed to big contracts (i.e. Hector Olivera, Yasmany Tomas, Rusney Castillo) have stumbled at the Major League level, while the likes of Yasiel Puig and to some extent Jose Abreu have struggled after hot starts to their MLB careers. The fact that Gurriel is significantly older and more experienced than almost all of these players could work in his favor, or it could work against him — a younger player could be seen as still able to be molded, whereas if Gurriel is too “set in his ways,” it might quickly become apparent that he isn’t cut out for a long stint in the bigs.
    On the flip side, Gurriel’s track record is so impressive that he could be well worth the risk. He has a career .335/.417/.580 slash line and 250 homers over 5491 plate appearances, mostly in Serie Nacional, Cuba’s top league. Baseball America’s Ben Badler named Gurriel as Cuba’s top player in April 2015, citing his well-rounded approach to the plate, plus raw power, above-average third base defense and ability to be “playable” at second base if a Major League team wanted to use him at the keystone. Badler used Hanley Ramirez and David Wright as “similar value” comps, which certainly sets a high ceiling for Gurriel’s potential in the majors.
    Olivera signed a six-year, $62.5MM deal with the Dodgers just before his 30th birthday. Though Gurriel will be over two years older when he signs his MLB contract, MLBTR’s Steve Adams recently speculated that Gurriel could land a similar deal in terms of average annual value, if not length. Something in the range of a four-year, $40-44MM contract seems like a fair estimate as a floor for Gurriel’s deal, possibly with incentive clauses or a fifth-year vesting option included.
    Given that Gurriel has said that he would accept not playing with his younger brother “if the circumstances don’t permit it,” Lourdes Gurriel Jr.’s market may not be too significant a factor in Yulieski’s free agency. The younger Gurriel hasn’t been declared a free agent yet, and since he doesn’t turn 23 until October 19, he still falls under international bonus pool guidelines. Assuming he doesn’t become a free agent until after the new international market opens on July 2, Lourdes’ market will be short a third of the league (the Angels, Blue Jays, Cubs, Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Giants, Rays, Red Sox, Royals and Yankees), as all of those teams are limited to signings of $300K or less due to past overages of the spending pool limits. While it’s certainly possible that one of the other 20 teams could look to sign both Gurriels, by this point it’s more likely that Yulieski will want to begin his MLB career soon and Lourdes will wait until October to maximize his payday…unless a team maneuvers around the international signing rules, as Fangraphs’ Dave Cameron hints.
    Taking just the elder Gurriel on his own, however, let’s look at the teams who could be most likely to sign the 32-year-old to fill a need at the hot corner, second base or perhaps even left field.
    FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal recently speculated that the Giants could use Gurriel in left next season if Angel Pagan and Gregor Blanco leave in free agency. Perhaps more directly, Gurriel could help San Francisco at third either now or in the future, as Matt Duffy is still flashing an excellent glove but has been a sub-replacement level hitter this season.
    Gurriel hasn’t played the outfield since 2005, however, so it’s probably unlikely that he would take on essentially a new position on top of all the other adjustments that he’ll face in coming to the major leagues. While the Giants are a team that could use Gurriel in left after a full offseason of preparation, we can probably write off clubs that could use a left field upgrade now but are otherwise set at third and second. By this reasoning, I’d argue the Diamondbacks, Mariners, Nationals, Red Sox and Rockies probably won’t be in on Gurriel.
    Likewise, a few other contenders or non-contenders can probably also be written out due to a lack of positional need or due to the fact that they’re rebuilding: the Blue Jays, Brewers, Cardinals, Orioles, Pirates, Rangers, Rays, Tigers, Twins and Yankees.
    (Bronx fans may balk at their team being included on that list given how little Chase Headley and Starlin Castro have produced, though I don’t find the Yankees to be a great match for Gurriel. Headley and Castro are respectively under contract through 2018 and 2019, and the Yankees front office is less open to eating money on contracts than in past years. As much as Gurriel may like to play for the Yankees and with former Cuban teammate Aroldis Chapman, NJ Advance Media’s Brendan Kuty notes that adding another pricey mid-30’s player doesn’t make sense for the aging Yankees roster.)
    I didn’t include every rebuilding team on that list, as teams like the Braves and Reds aren’t planning on being bottom-dwellers for very long. (Atlanta, in particular, could look to contend as soon as next season when its new ballpark opens.) It would admittedly be surprising to see either Atlanta or Cincinnati sign Gurriel, though it wouldn’t be out of the question given how both clubs lack a long-term answer at third base.
    It’s worth noting that the Braves and Reds are also two teams with the international pool space to make a play for Lourdes Gurriel before October, so they could aim to sign both brothers. The Braves are known to be planning a big splurge in the coming international signing period, while the Reds may already be approaching their 2016-17 pool limit due to their apparent agreement with Alfredo Rodriguez, so they could decide to make a bigger splash by pursuing Lourdes. The Phillies face a longer rebuilding period, though as Dave Cameron noted in his previously-linked piece, they could also aim to sign both Gurriel brothers and perhaps then even shop Yulieski in a year or two if he establishes himself as a quality MLB player.
    The Marlins are probably set in the infield with Martin Prado at third and Derek Dietrich at second, with Dee Gordon due back from his 80-game suspension in August. Miami is usually connected to Cuban players in rumors based on geography alone, however, and there is a long-term scenario where signing Gurriel makes sense. The Fish could sign Gurriel and then trade Prado (a free agent this winter), though they are said to be loath to trade a piece from their Major League roster. Gordon’s ineligibility for postseason play looms larger with the Fish in the NL wild card hunt, so another infield upgrade isn’t out of the question.
    The White Sox, A’s, Padres and Angels are all somewhat in the same boat as clubs who could perhaps be best served by a rebuild but still have an eye towards contending this year or reloading for 2017. All four teams, therefore, can’t be written out as contenders for Gurriel, especially since Todd Frazier is the only second or third baseman on any of the clubs who’s playing like a solid long-term piece (and even Frazier has slumped to near replacement-level after a hot start).
    Chicago could look to move Frazier to DH given his suddenly poor defensive metrics, or the Sox could use Gurriel at second in place of the struggling Brett Lawrie. Oakland may have a sudden opening at third if Danny Valencia is traded, though while the A’s have made some big international signings in the past, they may not be able to afford Gurriel’s price tag. San Diego is another team known to be planning a big international spending spree, so the Padres could also factor into the Lourdes Gurriel package deal as well. The Angels’ woeful farm system leaves them unable to trade for big upgrades, so signing a player like Gurriel may be the best way to add a premium talent. Gurriel’s deal would likely put the Halos over the luxury tax limit for two seasons in a row, unless they can unload enough salary to get under the threshold either this year or next.
    The Cubs and Astros have needs at third base now, though they’re both potentially so stocked with young talent that signing a 32-year-old may not make much sense. Chicago could sign Gurriel and then move Kris Bryant or Ben Zobrist to left, which would handle the Cubs’ need in that position. Once Kyle Schwarber returns healthy next year, however, that leaves the Cubs with a position glut. The Astros could use Gurriel now to solidify third, moving Marwin Gonzalez and Luis Valbuena into their very unsettled first base mix. For the future, Gurriel may not have a spot in Houston unless he plays DH or (like the Giants scenario) he moves to left to replace a departed free agent (in this case, Colby Rasmus). Top prospect Alex Bregman is ripping up Double-A pitching and has already seen some time at third base in preparation for a future position change since Carlos Correa and Jose Altuve have the middle infield locked down.
    The Royals and Mets both have clear needs at third with Mike Moustakas and David Wright on the DL. Gurriel could step right in as Kansas City’s third baseman, and once Moustakas returns next year, Gurriel could shift to second (provided that Whit Merrifield ever comes back to Earth) or get time at DH should Kendrys Morales leave in free agency.
    Gurriel could likewise play third base for New York in Wright’s absence and then be an option at second in 2017 if Neil Walker leaves in free agency. Perhaps the likelier scenario, however, is that Dilson Herrera plays second and Gurriel remains at third with Wright transitioning to first base (both to keep him healthy and for defensive reasons).
    Both K.C. and New York could face issues meeting Gurriel’s price tag, however, a problem shared by the Indians — Cleveland has scouted both Gurriel brothers but probably can’t afford either. Jose Ramirez’s breakout year as a utilityman as put him in the conversation for the Tribe’s third base situation, though the club is still lacking a long-term answer. For this season, it’s more likely that the Indians will try to get by with Ramirez and Juan Uribe rather than sign Gurriel.
    This leaves the Dodgers, which is perhaps fitting since they’ve expressed interest in Gurriel and have also easily been baseball’s biggest spenders in the Cuban market in recent years. L.A. has received relatively little production for all the millions spent on Cuban players, though given the franchise’s seemingly endless budget for international spending, the Dodgers seem perfectly willing to keep spending until they find paydirt.
    Justin Turner and Chase Utley are second and third in fWAR among Dodgers position players, though they’re going in opposite directions; Turner has gotten hot after a slow start and Utley has had a rough June after playing well in April and May. Both are free agents after the season, so Los Angeles could use Gurriel at third or second in 2017 if one or both of Turner/Utley leaves. For this year, Gurriel could step in at second if Utley’s numbers begin to resemble his subpar 2015 stats, or the Dodgers are one of the few teams that could afford to have Gurriel as a glorified reserve player for the rest of the season.
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    • JAKEPEAVY21
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 03-11-11
      • 29293

      #1612
      Originally posted by BarkingToad
      Jose Fernandez 1 hit, 7 shutout innings effort was wasted.
      cost me a couple of nice parlays!!
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      • Chi_archie
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 07-22-08
        • 63167

        #1613
        Fernandez is usually money at home
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        • koz-man
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 11-21-08
          • 7102

          #1614
          The name of the Cubs theme trip to Miami is : "Who wears short shorts? Anthony Rizzo wears short shorts," trip. Seriously. Players have to wear shorts and tank tops, etc.

          wow!!??
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          • El Nino
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 05-03-12
            • 18426

            #1615
            Madden always doing weird shit. Keeps the team interested in the overly long season.
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            • BarkingToad
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 08-31-08
              • 5913

              #1616
              Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
              cost me a couple of nice parlays!!
              Me too, good reminder again for me to focus on 1st 5 innings bet more.
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              • Andy117
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 02-07-10
                • 9511

                #1617
                Mets had a few injury scares on Wednesday. Syndergaard and Cespedes both left early due to injury the team now says is minor and Zack Wheeler had a setback in his return from TJS.
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                • EmpireMaker
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 06-18-09
                  • 15580

                  #1618
                  Michael Taylor struck out all 5 times he batted, then let that ball go under his glove to end the game.
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                  • EmpireMaker
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 06-18-09
                    • 15580

                    #1619
                    Originally posted by Andy117
                    Mets had a few injury scares on Wednesday. Syndergaard and Cespedes both left early due to injury the team now says is minor and Zack Wheeler had a setback in his return from TJS.
                    and they aren't hitting well again and Matz had a sore elbow issue
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                    • Cross
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 04-15-11
                      • 5777

                      #1620
                      Mets will pick it up, too good w pitching.
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                      • JAKEPEAVY21
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 03-11-11
                        • 29293

                        #1621
                        not baseball but this is too funny not to share:

                        Swedish soccer player gets red card for farting during game




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                        • Chi_archie
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 07-22-08
                          • 63167

                          #1622
                          Originally posted by EmpireMaker
                          Michael Taylor struck out all 5 times he batted, then let that ball go under his glove to end the game.

                          ouch that is a rough game
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                          • Otters27
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                            • 07-14-07
                            • 30759

                            #1623
                            Cubs lose another Arrieta start.
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                            • BigSpoon
                              SBR MVP
                              • 11-04-10
                              • 4113

                              #1624
                              Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
                              not baseball but this is too funny not to share:

                              Swedish soccer player gets red card for farting during game




                              http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer...202705537.html
                              "I don't get it but maybe he thought I farted in my hand and threw the fart at him. But I did not."

                              Fart throwing.
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                              • koz-man
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 11-21-08
                                • 7102

                                #1625
                                Originally posted by EmpireMaker
                                Michael Taylor struck out all 5 times he batted, then let that ball go under his glove to end the game.
                                Tough day for him.

                                I felt bad for the youngster...
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                                • El Nino
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 05-03-12
                                  • 18426

                                  #1626
                                  Originally posted by BigSpoon
                                  "I don't get it but maybe he thought I farted in my hand and threw the fart at him. But I did not."

                                  Fart throwing.
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                                  • Otters27
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                                    • 07-14-07
                                    • 30759

                                    #1627
                                    Liking the Rockies hanging in there around .500. That it is my team
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                                    • Chi_archie
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 07-22-08
                                      • 63167

                                      #1628
                                      Originally posted by BigSpoon
                                      "I don't get it but maybe he thought I farted in my hand and threw the fart at him. But I did not."

                                      Fart throwing.

                                      oh wow
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                                      • JAKEPEAVY21
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                                        • 03-11-11
                                        • 29293

                                        #1629
                                        Taillon on the hill today

                                        hoping he can bounce back from a rough outing last time against the cubbies
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                                        • El Nino
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 05-03-12
                                          • 18426

                                          #1630
                                          Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
                                          Taillon on the hill today

                                          hoping he can bounce back from a rough outing last time against the cubbies
                                          Kid has good stuff. Pirates asleep at the wheel this season it seems though.
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                                          • Cross
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 04-15-11
                                            • 5777

                                            #1631
                                            ThatNational league All-Star infield is fire!
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                                            • koz-man
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 11-21-08
                                              • 7102

                                              #1632
                                              The Cubs load the bases in the ninth against David Phelps, but Ben Zobrist swung at the first pitch and flied out to center.

                                              The Cubs' winning percentage drops to .662 -- merely a pace of 107 wins. But four days ago they were on pace for 114 wins!

                                              This is baseball and that's why the 2001 Mariners and their 116 wins or the 1998 Yankees with 114 were so amazing.
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                                              • LT Profits
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 10-27-06
                                                • 90963

                                                #1633
                                                Originally posted by koz-man
                                                The Cubs load the bases in the ninth against David Phelps, but Ben Zobrist swung at the first pitch and flied out to center.

                                                The Cubs' winning percentage drops to .662 -- merely a pace of 107 wins. But four days ago they were on pace for 114 wins!

                                                This is baseball and that's why the 2001 Mariners and their 116 wins or the 1998 Yankees with 114 were so amazing.
                                                Except that Mariners pulled a Golden State Warriors in post-season
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                                                • BigSpoon
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 11-04-10
                                                  • 4113

                                                  #1634
                                                  Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                  Except that Mariners pulled a Golden State Warriors in post-season
                                                  At least the Warriors made the Finals and were one win away, Mariners lost in 5 games in the ALCS in 2001.
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                                                  • LT Profits
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 10-27-06
                                                    • 90963

                                                    #1635
                                                    Originally posted by BigSpoon
                                                    At least the Warriors made the Finals and were one win away, Mariners lost in 5 games in the ALCS in 2001.
                                                    True. But does not change the fact that in the 4 major North American sports, the four teams that own the single season win record failed to win the championship the year they set the record.
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                                                    • EmpireMaker
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 06-18-09
                                                      • 15580

                                                      #1636
                                                      Jose Reyes isn’t yet a free agent, but he’ll formally clear release waivers tomorrow afternoon, and according to David Lennon and Marc Carig of Newsday, all signs point to a reunion with the Mets once his release from the Rockies becomes official. According to the Newsday duo, the Mets haven’t made a final decision, but a deal could come together this weekend. Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports hears similar chatter, writing that a reunion between the two sides is “very likely” to come to fruition.
                                                      Indeed, manager Terry Collins certainly spoke about Reyes today as if the signing is quite likely, as SNY’s Kerith Burke notes on Twitter. The skipper said that he has not only chatted with the coaching staff about how Reyes could be used, but that those discusses have included the idea of deploying him as an outfielder. (Twitter links via MLB.com’s Anthony DiComo.) As Newsday noted earlier this week, a move to third base would seem to make the most sense, though New York has also discussed sliding Neil Walker over there and playing Reyes at second base.
                                                      The idea has evidently picked up steam in the past week after initially being floated in the media while Reyes was in DFA limbo. The team is said to be intrigued by his speed and history of on-base skills — two traits the roster currently lacks. Reyes currently resides in Long Island and would love to return to the team with which he began his career, per Lennon and Carig.
                                                      The Mets have seen their infield depth compromised this season due to neck surgery for David Wright and a stress fracture in Lucas Duda’s back. The team cut bait with one infield option in Spring Training when it released Ruben Tejada, as well, and the current depth chart is much different than New York probably expected coming into the year. Reyes would make reasonable sense as a depth option at either second base or third base — there’s been no mention of shortstop, and defensive metrics/scouts alike have questioned his ability to play shortstop for some time now — and he’ll of course come cheaply. After his release is official, the Mets would be on the hook for the pro-rated portion of the league minimum through season’s end — a total of $277,322. (That money would be subtracted from what the Rockies owe Reyes.)
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                                                      • Cross
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 04-15-11
                                                        • 5777

                                                        #1637
                                                        This contreras kid is freaking amazing!
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                                                        • JAKEPEAVY21
                                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                          • 03-11-11
                                                          • 29293

                                                          #1638
                                                          Wil Myers continues to quietly have a monster month of June

                                                          National League player of the month?
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                                                          • Chi_archie
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 07-22-08
                                                            • 63167

                                                            #1639
                                                            Originally posted by Cross
                                                            This contreras kid is freaking amazing!
                                                            something else
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                                                            • koz-man
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 11-21-08
                                                              • 7102

                                                              #1640
                                                              Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                              True. But does not change the fact that in the 4 major North American sports, the four teams that own the single season win record failed to win the championship the year they set the record.
                                                              wow. now that's interesting...
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                                                              • koz-man
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 11-21-08
                                                                • 7102

                                                                #1641
                                                                Manny Machado all smiles after helping Orioles win in first game back

                                                                Baltimore's Manny Machado is hitting .320, sixth best in the American League, after another big game on Friday in his return from suspension.
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                                                                • LT Profits
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 10-27-06
                                                                  • 90963

                                                                  #1642
                                                                  Originally posted by koz-man
                                                                  wow. now that's interesting...
                                                                  NBA 2015-16 Warriors (Lost NBA Finals)
                                                                  MLB (tie) 2011 Mariners (Lost ALCS), 1906 Cubs (Lost World Series)
                                                                  NFL 2007 Patriots (Lost Super Bowl)
                                                                  NHL 1995-96 Red Wings (Lost Western Conference Finals)
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                                                                  • Otters27
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                                                                    • 07-14-07
                                                                    • 30759

                                                                    #1643
                                                                    Arizona robs the rockies in the bottom of the ninth of a a walk off win.
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                                                                    • BigSpoon
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 11-04-10
                                                                      • 4113

                                                                      #1644
                                                                      Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                                      NBA 2015-16 Warriors (Lost NBA Finals)
                                                                      MLB (tie) 2011 Mariners (Lost ALCS), 1906 Cubs (Lost World Series)
                                                                      NFL 2007 Patriots (Lost Super Bowl)
                                                                      NHL 1995-96 Red Wings (Lost Western Conference Finals)
                                                                      The regular season in pro sports is sort of meaningless and way too long.
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                                                                      • BigSpoon
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 11-04-10
                                                                        • 4113

                                                                        #1645
                                                                        Mets sign Jose Reyes to a minor league contract. A terrible player and even worse person.
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