Biggest Shocker?

**Dark Horse** · 12-02-07, 04:57 PM

The girl that can crash a beer can with the weight of her boobs?

**imgv94** · 12-02-07, 04:58 PM

Is there a vid?

**Dark Horse** · 12-02-07, 04:59 PM

Dunno. Saw it on tv the other day.

**jjgold** · 12-02-07, 05:02 PM

Pitt over WV by far

**louisvillekid** · 12-02-07, 05:06 PM

i voted Stanford over USC, but after Cal losing to Stanford and costing me money, i guess Stanford isn't all that bad. USC still should of destroyed them.

**onlooker** · 12-02-07, 05:08 PM

Stanford over USC.

Appalachian State is better then most though. (Thats what Michigan gets for dodging Hawaii)

Louisville defense was just terrible, so no surprise there.

Colorado always seems to play tough in Boulder.

Notre Dame probably wouldn't of won that game if UCLA wasn't injury riddled.

Pittsburgh? Well for some reason West Virginia didn't seem to come and play, even with a National Title birth on the plate. Then when Pat White goes down, that didn't help matters much.

**Always_Over** · 12-02-07, 05:49 PM

Give Lesean Mcoy and Pittsburghs Defense Credit
They held the #2 team to 7 points
Pitt D KNOCKED Pat White out of the game and
Even Without PAt White -
What A shocker!

**BuddyBear** · 12-02-07, 05:55 PM

APP State by far...are you people even serious about this question? You are talking about a D1-AA school going into Michigan (the all time winningest program) and leading the entire game basically against a "top 5 team" that featured very strong senior leadership. Moreover, this same APP State team lost to NCSTATE last year (a non-bowl team) and lost twice to 2 other D1-AA schools this year.

The Stanford win was a major shocker but USC lead 59 minutes of the game and collapsed allowing Stanford to convert a 4th and forever. Moreover, Stanford has been very competitive all year leading Oregon in the 2H, leading TCU in the 2H, beating CAL at home, etc....They aren't a great team, but they are D1 talent and a conference foe for USC. USC simply overlooked them and paid the price...Michigan did not overlook App State and they took them to cleaners.

**CoachHeidenreich** · 12-02-07, 06:03 PM

This is a joke right? App state over Michigan is not only the biggest upset of the season but could very possibly be the biggest upset of all time.

**imgv94** · 12-02-07, 06:06 PM

I understand what you guys are saying but Michigan and the Big Ten really suck.

**matskralc** · 12-02-07, 06:08 PM

Appalachain State was also coming off two consecutive I-AA championships: they could beat a lot of teams in I-A.

**CoachHeidenreich** · 12-02-07, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by imgv94

I understand what you guys are saying but Michigan and the Big Ten really suck.

Well sir with all due respect you are foolish to allow your biases to get in the way of making the correct choice via facts.

**imgv94** · 12-02-07, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by matskralc

Appalachain State was also coming off two consecutive I-AA championships: they could beat a lot of teams in I-A.

Exactly..

**durito** · 12-02-07, 06:17 PM

USC was favored by more than Michigan was. Given how all those teams ended their years, that game stands out even more now.

I don't think my Buffs should be on this list, we are a bowl team and have a winning record against Oklahoma the last 20 years.

**imgv94** · 12-02-07, 06:18 PM

durito,

I included all the 20pt favs that lost this season bud. Didn't want to leave anyone out. I feel ya totally

**CoachHeidenreich** · 12-02-07, 06:19 PM

App. State over Michigan is the biggest upset of all time. End of story. Thread closed.

**durito** · 12-02-07, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by CoachHeidenreich

App. State over Michigan is the biggest upset of all time. End of story. Thread closed.

By any statistical analysis that game isn't close to the biggest upset ever.

**CoachHeidenreich** · 12-02-07, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by durito

By any statistical analysis that game isn't close to the biggest upset ever.

I thought I said thread closed? Look, statistics dont matter, Michigan is the winningest school in college football history with a long tradition. Appalachian state is a small college town. Stanford is a big well known school. Open your eyes sir.

**durito** · 12-02-07, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by CoachHeidenreich

I thought I said thread closed? Look, statistics dont matter, Michigan is the winningest school in college football history with a long tradition. Appalachian state is a small college town. Stanford is a big well known school. Open your eyes sir.

**jon13009** · 12-02-07, 10:29 PM

IMO USC should have been ready to pound Harbaugh for the comments he made regarding USC earlier in the year. While USC suffered injuries that hampered them the rest of the year, I still cannot understand how they lost this game with a last second TD.

Otherwise, I am numb from all the top teams losing left and right. I cannot stand the fact that OSU walked into the BCS championship game because they do not play a final conference championship game. If the Big 12 was just as smart, they would just eliminate this game next year.

**pokernut9999** · 12-02-07, 10:37 PM

Ohio st over Michigan

**goldengoat** · 12-03-07, 12:28 AM

usc getting beat by standford is easily the most humiliating loss of all time

**BuddyBear** · 12-03-07, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by imgv94

durito,

I included all the 20pt favs that lost this season bud. Didn't want to leave anyone out. I feel ya totally

I think you missed some:

Southern Miss losing to Rice at home was a 20+ spread if I remember correctly

**BuddyBear** · 12-03-07, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by imgv94

I understand what you guys are saying but Michigan and the Big Ten really suck.

I think this is very poorly articulated and absolutely reprehensible that as a gambler you think like this. Perhaps you've forgotten but Michigan had been to 3 straight BCS games prior to this year. They had a 4 year starting QB, a heisman candidate at RB, a great offensive line led by Jake Long, etc....And they lost to D1-AA school.

This is such a myth that Applachian State could beat many D1-A school. I would suspect they might be favored over 5-7 schools in DI-A, schools mainly from the MAC and Sun Belt and on their best day they could beat 15-20 schools mainly from the MAC and Sun Belt conference.

Here are the most accurate power ratings I've seen outside those by LVSC. Figure out how many schools App State would be favored and how many they could beat. Not very many.

Page not found - Phil Steele

http://philsteele.com/Misc%20Pages/2007collegepower.html

**imgv94** · 12-03-07, 12:41 AM

Coach H got banned?

**rjt721** · 12-03-07, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by imgv94

Coach H got banned?

Good. He'd only been here a day, but it was long overdue.

**BuddyBear** · 12-03-07, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by durito

By any statistical analysis that game isn't close to the biggest upset ever.

And what statistical analysis are you referring to? I really respect your posts but I strongly disagree with this characterization. Sometimes you have to throw stats out and just use qualitative reasoning. The line is just an arbitrary number designed to draw equal action on both sides..that's all.

If you put things in perspective, being the winningest program and being dominated at home by a D1-AA...albeit a good one...to me is the most embarrasing lost.

Sure USC lost, but they led for 59 minutes of the game. Moreover, they lost to a conference rival, a team that targets the same recruits (when things are going well at least). Sorry but I just don't see how people can think that a matchup of conference rivals who play each other every year constitutes the biggest upset.

**imgv94** · 12-03-07, 12:48 AM

Buddy, After getting beat by App St, Michigan got destroyed the very next week by a team from a REAL conference (Pac-10) @ Home to say the least.

I'm sorry but when I see a big ten team get beat by a non conference team it doesn't shock me as much as Stanford beating USC with a freshman 2nd string QB. USC won 34 in a row @ Home before this game.

Michigan is not a powerhouse anymore.

**BuddyBear** · 12-03-07, 12:51 AM

Okay yeah Mich is not very good and I agree the powerhouse status day are gone for a while...i get that. But the talent level between those two schools is so huge that there is no comparison even. At least Stanford and USC play in the same conference, face each other every year, compete for the same recruits, coaches are familiar with each other, etc.... For those reasons alone I can't consider Stanford's upset bigger than App State.

To have a D1-AA school go into the Big House and win to me is still shocking. If a MAC school beat them I would be schocked let alone a "good" D1-AA school.

**imgv94** · 12-03-07, 12:53 AM

Where would App St be ranked if they were Div 1?

**BuddyBear** · 12-03-07, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by imgv94

Where would App St be ranked if they were Div 1?

They'd be most likely in Conference USA (EAST) and would be right about the same level of UAB.....

**Illusion** · 12-03-07, 04:07 AM

Originally posted by BuddyBear

APP State by far...are you people even serious about this question? You are talking about a D1-AA school going into Michigan (the all time winningest program) and leading the entire game basically against a "top 5 team" that featured very strong senior leadership. Moreover, this same APP State team lost to NCSTATE last year (a non-bowl team) and lost twice to 2 other D1-AA schools this year.

This is why I voted for Appalachian State. This was supposed to be a cupcake for Michigan. USC sees Stanford every year in conference so they lose some credibilty.

**LT Profits** · 12-03-07, 07:30 AM

Even though common sense says Stanford, I voted Pittsburgh.

West Virginia was playing like the best team in the country coming into that game, and I gave Pitt a 0% chance of winning outright.

2nd Choice is Stanfrod over USC, since USC was undefeated and #2 at the time and had not lost a home game in about 4 years.

From purely a point spread perspective, Stanford (+39) should be #1 of ALL TIME, but I still give Pittsburgh the nod because of all West Virginia had at stake.

While you could make a case for Appalalchian State being #2, I don't think you can put it ahead of Stanford, since App State was getting over a full touchdown less (+30.5) than the Cardinal, and the game was the first week of the season before everyone knew how overrated Michigan was.

**Willie Bee** · 12-03-07, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by CoachHeidenreich

Well sir with all due respect you are foolish to allow your biases to get in the way of making the correct choice via facts.

Unlike you, right Layfield, er, Coach Heidenreich?

Appalachian State is a more serious football program than a lot of Div I schools as matskralc noted. If they had beaten a Michigan team ranked in the top 5 at the end of the season instead of the beginning (when we now know the Wolverines were anything but a top 5 team), then it might rank up there. But as it is, that upset doesn't even rank #1 for this season much less #1 for all-time. The Stanford win against Southern Cal and the Pitt win over West Va were more shocking to me than Appalachian State beating Mushagain.