Illinois -3 @ Iowa- Pags, IMGV, BBD, Looker, Baba, Nevada, all old schoolers PLEASE!!

bigboydan · 10-07-07, 10:20 PM

I still have to look at this game a bit more in depth P2M. Give me a few days before I comment on it.

rjt721 · 10-07-07, 10:31 PM

I actually like Iowa a lot. Haven't played it yet, as I think many will have your feelings on this game and I can get a better number, but I think Iowa wins this game outright. As you mentioned, it's a lookahead spot for Illinois, and also a potential lookahead game with UM traveling to Champaign the following week. It's one thing to win at home in conference play, but it's much more difficult to win on the road, especially for a young team, and I don't think Iowa's nearly as bad as their record would indicate. The Hawkeyes still play great defense, and I think they will do a decent job containing Illinois' running attack, forcing Juice to put the ball in the air, something he hasn't shown he's capable of doing.

Lost in Illinois' big win was the fact the Illini gave up over 500 total yards to a rather ordinary Wisky offense. Despite Iowa's struggles offensively, I think they can move the ball against Illinois' defense. I have a hard time believing a team coached by Kirk Ferentz will start out 0-4 in conference play, and I think Illinois' overvalued with the big win over the weekend.

Indiana beat Iowa throwing the ball, as Kellen Lewis is a much more accomplished passer than Juice. I think Illinois' offense is a better match up for this Hawkeyes' defense as it fits more to their strength - stopping the run.

Peyton2MarvinN06 · 10-07-07, 10:43 PM

RJT,

Appreciate your insight on this matchup man... I hadn't thought about the fact that my Hoosiers air it out a lot more than the Illini who like to chew it up on the ground with Mendenhall... I'm still gonna think about it... You make a good point that Iowa's strength is stopping the run, but I just don't know if they will slow down Illinois... Thank for your opinion man!

strictlywinners · 10-07-07, 10:50 PM

Fits into my shady line theory illonoi comin off huge win iowa comin off huge loss and line is only 3 common Iowa cruises to victory

BuddyBear · 10-07-07, 11:02 PM

Step right up if you want to bet Illinois.....

Hemlock21 · 10-07-07, 11:13 PM

-P2M

I wouldn't read into this game too much. Ill wins this game by atleast 10. The thought process you have currently is exactly why I think the line is at a fishy -3. They're are trying to accomplish two things I believe.

1. They want the sharps to stay away from the game completely because of the fishy line.

2. Or they want some Iowa backers

I already put 4 units on Ill. GL

Peyton2MarvinN06 · 10-07-07, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by Hemlock21

-P2M

I wouldn't read into this game too much. Ill wins this game by atleast 10. The thought process you have currently is exactly why I think the line is at a fishy -3. They're are trying to accomplish two things I believe.

1. They want the sharps to stay away from the game completely because of the fishy line.

2. Or they want some Iowa backers

I already put 4 units on Ill. GL

Hemlock,

I appreciate the advice man! I hit it this up already for 2 units, but am wanting to pull the trigger for a few more... I realize the line is fishy and that Iowa's specialty is stopping the run, but I think the Illini can be multi-dimensional and beat up on this half-ass Iowa club... Thanks man!

rjt721 · 10-07-07, 11:21 PM

I'm curious as to why you guys feel ILL -3 is fishy. This is right where I had the line set myself. How could you justify Illinois being a bigger fave in a road conference game? If anything, I think they're getting too much respect for beating an extremely overrated Wisky team, a team the Hawkeyes nearly beat in Madison.

imgv94 · 10-07-07, 11:32 PM

I got Illinois -2.5 @ Bookmaker.

Line looks a little fishy but it's already at -3.5 at most places. So since it moved already I wouldn't be too concerned.

GO ILLINI!!

Hemlock21 · 10-07-07, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by rjt721

I'm curious as to why you guys feel ILL -3 is fishy. This is right where I had the line set myself. How could you justify Illinois being a bigger fave in a road conference game? If anything, I think they're getting too much respect for beating an extremely overrated Wisky team, a team the Hawkeyes nearly beat in Madison.

I thought the line would be -7 but picking lines before they come out isn't my strong point. Iowa does not stop the run either not sure why people think they do. Iowa didn't stop the run against Penn state or any other team that runs the ball effectively. It's a bad match up in my book for Iowa. Ill will gain 200 or more on the ground .

imgv94 · 10-07-07, 11:39 PM

No one has stopped ILLINI from running the ball.

Mendenhall will have success versus Iowa's D.

Razz · 10-08-07, 12:34 AM

I bet Iowa +3.5 for my maximum amount, for what it's worth. I never brag on myself, but I have had three strong weeks in a row, so I feel pretty locked in, and I've been the biggest proponent of Illinois probably in the whole country outside Champaign. But they will lose this game.

imgv94 · 10-08-07, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by Razz

I bet Iowa +3.5 for my maximum amount, for what it's worth. I never brag on myself, but I have had three strong weeks in a row, so I feel pretty locked in, and I've been the biggest proponent of Illinois probably in the whole country outside Champaign. But they will lose this game.

Guess you didn't bet much on LSU then.

Razz · 10-08-07, 01:07 AM

Don't send me any more text messages asshole. I love how you take it out on me when USC loses, just because I was the only person willing to tell you they weren't even close to as good as the hype.

And LSU was a minimum play. I made five 1* plays (3-2) and four 1.5* plays (3-1). None of the wins were decided by less than two touchdowns except Washington State +9, and if not for an officiating blunder, they win the game outright.

imgv94 · 10-08-07, 01:11 AM

Calling me an Asshole? Are you drunk? I haven't even talked to you about USC recently.

Whoa

hawk 5 · 10-08-07, 06:51 AM

I'll take my chances with the Illini -3. Iowa is a bad football team. Remember that you also need to score points to cover points.

bigboydan · 10-08-07, 02:16 PM

This was the report I was waiting on P2M. It looks like the game is no longer circled anymore, and Ron Zook did confirm that both Juice Williams and Arrelious Benn should play this week.

Even despite both these players saying there healthy enough to play this week. I will be taking my chances with the Hawkeyes this week on the ML.

spellman · 10-08-07, 03:00 PM

WWF NCAA Again

nevadaside · 10-08-07, 04:06 PM

This game is a coin toss at best......obviously anything can happen, like IOWA suddenly waking up this week....

Other games to play.......I don't think I'll play with fire this time, & I usually do play w/fire on some of these "coin toss" games....but not this one.

GL P2M, hope you hit whatever you play bro.

Peyton2MarvinN06 · 10-08-07, 05:38 PM

Well, I certainly don't like what I hear from RJT, BBD, and Razz on this one... Lot of uncertainty behind this one apparently... GV, I'm glad that you have sided with me on this one! I mean honestly, I know Indiana and Illinois are completely different offenses, but I really think that the Illini can take it to the Hawkeyes just as easily as the Hoosiers did... I was @ the Illinois/Indiana game and really couldn't believe how easily they moved the ball on the Hoosiers... Not saying that IU has the greatest D in the world, but they move down the field very methodically and easily just like a team coached by Zook would... He will make this team a powerhouse and IT MAY BE EARLIER THAN IMAGINED! Juice, Mendenhall, I mean C'MON RON! The Illini got this shvt!

I'm really curious as to what makes you guys think that since the Illini are now in the top 20 in the country and have absolutely dominated their last 2 games that their are just gonna fold up like a wet paper bag? Zook is not gonna let this team overlook Iowa... They are in the running for the frickin Rose Bowl now! I mean who would have thought that @ the beginning of the season? I knew the Illini had talent, but this much? Hell no!

Even if I lose this wager, I really feel as though I'm on the right side in this one... If Iowa wins this game then fine, but the better team is the FIGHTING ILLINI, no doubt about it! I appreciate all the feedback from everyone... GV, hit me up on AIM or PM me with some other plays bud...

BuddyBear · 10-08-07, 05:54 PM

You do realize that Iowa has a considerably better defense, playing at home, in a classic let down situation for a team that just beat 2 top tier big ten teams at home and is now only layinig -3 to a team that is 0-3 in conference play. You sure you are on the "right side"?

prop · 10-08-07, 05:57 PM

Iowa should of been the play of the week this week, but was spoiled by the lines coming out at 2.5. Had to expect this one to be 7ish. I don't understand it really so I'm staying away.

Peyton2MarvinN06 · 10-08-07, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by BuddyBear

You do realize that Iowa has a considerably better defense, playing at home, in a classic let down situation for a team that just beat 2 top tier big ten teams at home and is now only layinig -3 to a team that is 0-3 in conference play. You sure you are on the "right side"?

Buddy and anyone else on Iowa,

I really feel strong about this play... I'm not a better that gets all caught up in trends like "TEAM A winning by double digits @ home vs. Yugoslavia State is 10-5-31 ATS as a 3 point or less favorite in their following game on the road... I really don't want to start anything with anyone cuz I'm envious of almost everyone on here and I basically tail MOST plays... You guys have a lot more knowledge than I do when it comes to this, so I have to give credit when it is due... However, if Iowa has a considerably better defense, than hows come they gave up 40 @ home to Indiana and 27 @ Penn State??? This is an Iowa squad that lost to their in state rival the Cyclones of dreaded Iowa St! This does it for me right here...

Total Yards given up by the Iowa defense the last 2 weeks

Indiana Hoosiers 61(plays)-395(Total Yards)

Penn State 82(plays)-489(Total Yards)-WOW

Umm yeah, so averaging giving up 442 yards over the last 2 games... Average pts given up last 2 games- 32.5!

If Iowa wins then fine, but I like my chances with the Illini!

Once again, I respect every one of you that I asked your opinions of! You guys know a lot more than I do, but I'm rollin with the hot team and against a defense that isn't very good, IMO...

imgv94 · 10-08-07, 06:55 PM

There is no reason to like Iowa unless you are trying to fade the public.

Iowa's defense is overrated, Indiana scored 38 on them, Penn St scored 27 and they have been playing stale offenses.

Illinois is going to run it down their throats. Again people who are on Iowa are just trying to fade the public.

I think this will be one of those public plays that win. And public plays win all the time.

BuddyBear · 10-08-07, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by imgv94

There is no reason to like Iowa unless you are trying to fade the public.

Iowa's defense is overrated, Indiana scored 38 on them, Penn St scored 27 and they have been playing stale offenses.

Illinois is going to run it down their throats. Again people who are on Iowa are just trying to fade the public.

I think this will be one of those public plays that win. And public plays win all the time.

Highly illogical reasoning since anti-public plays win all the time and at an even higher clip than public plays.

Curious as to why the fact that Iowa has a better total defense seems to not be that big of an issue for those betting Illinois.

I agree Ill could very well win this game handly but am surprised with the level of enthusiasm many of you are displaying for Illinois.

imgv94 · 10-08-07, 07:32 PM

It's not a huge play for me. 1.5* units but I like it a lot.

I don't think Iowa can match ILL point for point. If Illini doesn't turnover the ball I'd be very surprised to see them win by least than 10.

We'll see, it's football anything can happen.. USC lost to Stanford somehow.

Helmut · 10-08-07, 11:01 PM

If Mendenhall don't win the Heisman I'm all done with NCAA football.