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  • Justin7
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 07-31-06
    • 8577

    #1
    NCAAF Week 5/NFL Week 4: Justin7 and Peter Loshak discuss



    It’s finally Week 5 in college football, which means that same-season statistical data starts to become meaningful and have predictive value. SBR’s own Justin7 has a model that he believes in strongly and has proven to be profitable for him over the years, including yielding an impressive ATS record of 9-2 in 2008. He is now sharing the model’s line valuations as part of his ongoing weekly analysis with Peter Loshak.

    #20 BYU is a 24-point home favorite over Utah State, and BYU has shown signs of being not quite as fearsome as they have been in recent years, and as they were again expected by some to be this year. The Cougars suffered a humiliating home blowout loss to Florida State two weeks ago, and last week beat Colorado State in a game where they nevertheless were outgained in yardage and were the beneficiaries of numerous drives that started deep in Ram territory. Utah State has hung tough with some top programs already this year, and both Loshak and Justin7 identify the Aggies getting 24 points as a side with likely value.

    Two Top 25 teams, #9 Ohio State and #8 Oklahoma, are coming off of two straight “shutouts”, having each held their opponents scoreless two weeks in a row. Ohio State faces Indiana as a 17-point road favorite, and Indiana may be considerably better this year than their lowly reputation might suggest. Justin7 indicates he would take the Hoosiers plus the points if the line becomes just slightly more advantageous on their side.

    #17 Miami Florida will be experiencing a stark role-reversal in a seven-day span. Just last week, Miami was a much-heralded road favorite, only to fall flat to Virginia Tech. Now they are a 7.5-point home dog to incoming juggernaut Oklahoma, a team that appears to have its traditionally explosive offense, but may now also feature a top defense to boot. This game will likely say a lot about the true ability of both teams this year, and neither Loshak nor Justin7 feel confident calling for value on any betting line for this game.

    The most-anticipated game of the week may be the showdown between #7 USC and #24 California. Both teams have obvious strengths but also some question marks coming into this game. USC is dealing with several key injuries, while Cal is dealing with the memory of an ugly blowout loss to Oregon last week. USC is about a 4.5-point favorite with a total of 47.5. Justin7’s model puts the fair line for the game closer to 7, but stops short of endorsing a bet on USC, while Loshak is betting the under 47.5.

    Finally, Justin7 reaffirms his oft-noted fondness for betting on non-name-brand teams, citing New Mexico +35.5 and Louisiana-Monroe at anything under -7 as low profile sides with value he will be betting.
  • clowncar
    SBR High Roller
    • 09-25-08
    • 227

    #2
    Enjoyed that but think it would be better to just focus on the games your model actually produces a pick for as it did for utah state. Sounds like the thing has been a monster over the years and i hope it continues for you.
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    • InTheHole
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 04-28-08
      • 15243

      #3
      Tacomax made the cut
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      • tacomax
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 08-10-05
        • 9619

        #4
        Back off Loshak. I'm not fukkin' joking. I'm serious. Just back off.
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        I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
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        • Bread
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 03-16-08
          • 23726

          #5
          LOL, Tacomax BACK OFF!

          Informative vid
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          • pico
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 04-05-07
            • 27321

            #6
            usc ml
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            • Robyn
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 02-05-08
              • 9681

              #7
              LOSHAK! Tacomax (haters)......back off.

              Justin7 is a very smart fella.
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              • IrishTim
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 07-23-09
                • 983

                #8
                Originally posted by Robyn
                LOSHAK! Tacomax (haters)......back off.

                Justin7 is a very smart fella.
                Sure is. Respect his opinions greatly.
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                • Rio DiNero
                  SBR MVP
                  • 11-03-08
                  • 2010

                  #9
                  Originally posted by IrishTim
                  Sure is. Respect his opinions greatly.
                  Me too, but him or his model can't talk me off of BYU-23.5! Go Cougers!
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                  • durito
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 07-03-06
                    • 13173

                    #10
                    RAS
                    dr bob
                    justin7

                    all on ul monroe
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                    • The Bishop
                      SBR Sharp
                      • 08-21-09
                      • 311

                      #11
                      I'd like to bet ULM based on Justin's recommendation but I feel like garbage taking -6.5 when it opened at -2.0...
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                      • durito
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 07-03-06
                        • 13173

                        #12
                        Way to fumble inside your own 20 with less than a minute left in the half
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                        • The Bishop
                          SBR Sharp
                          • 08-21-09
                          • 311

                          #13
                          Originally posted by durito
                          Way to fumble inside your own 20 with less than a minute left in the half


                          Sickening.
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                          • clowncar
                            SBR High Roller
                            • 09-25-08
                            • 227

                            #14
                            utah state with the win. good job. I didn't bet this but if i did it would be with the backdoor cover in mind.
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                            • InTheHole
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 04-28-08
                              • 15243

                              #15
                              Never a doubt. Justin's Computer Model was right on!
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                              • rake922
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 12-23-07
                                • 11692

                                #16
                                Originally posted by durito
                                RAS
                                dr bob
                                justin7

                                all on ul monroe
                                nice line movement
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                                • SBRPicks
                                  • 08-10-08
                                  • 1035

                                  #17
                                  NFL Week 4




                                  Week 4 in the NFL can be a tricky time to handicap teams and betting lines. The three games that each team has played give strong hints as to the directions they may be headed for the year, but still does not provide enough data to allow most stat-based NFL models to be meaningfully predictive. Justin7 and Peter Loshak look over a number of upcoming games, with some informational input from LT Profits as well.

                                  A good example of such a stat is the Tennessee Titans’ rushing D, which is second in the league in rushing yards allowed at 60.7 per game. The Titans are going into Jacksonville as a 3-point road fave over the Jaguars, who had a great rushing day last week against Houston. How they will fare against Tennessee is not quite clear. LT Profits points out that part of the reason Tennessee has given up so few rushing yards is that teams are looking to pass against them more now with Albert Haynesworth gone. LT indicates a preference for the over 41.5.

                                  The Giants are 8.5-point road faves over Kansas City, and are dealing with numerous injuries on both sides of the ball. The Chiefs may be bad, but they are at least very healthy. Loshak is tempted to put a little on KC, but is swayed by LT Profits’ “Giants big” opinion. LT sees the Giants’ OL, even a little banged up, dominating KC’s front three, and he is very impressed by the Giants’ D holding Tampa Bay to under 100 total yards last week.

                                  LT and Loshak both agree on liking St. Louis getting 9.5 points on the road at San Francisco. LT cites the Niners losing top RB Frank Gore for this game, while Loshak cites a likely conservative game plan by the Niners as reasons contributing to liking the Rams getting a lot of points. Loshak also indicates a lean towards the under 37.5, and Justin7 suggests a parlay of the side and total to anyone who likes them both.
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                                  • InTheHole
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 04-28-08
                                    • 15243

                                    #18
                                    You guys are putting together some great videos!
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                                    • Bread
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 03-16-08
                                      • 23726

                                      #19
                                      Lovin the videos! Nice pull last night with that last second UT St TD.

                                      We're all RICH BEEYACH!



                                      Sorry.
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                                      • Robyn
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 02-05-08
                                        • 9681

                                        #20
                                        I followed you on Utah, thanks guys! I was on WV the night before only this time, the last minute td worked in my favor.
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                                        • InTheHole
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 04-28-08
                                          • 15243

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Robyn
                                          I followed you on Utah, thanks guys! I was on WV the night before only this time, the last minute td worked in my favor.
                                          Last Minute?
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                                          • Robyn
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 02-05-08
                                            • 9681

                                            #22
                                            Last second. Better?
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                                            • IrishTim
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 07-23-09
                                              • 983

                                              #23
                                              I didn't watch or track the game. Didn't even know if Utah St. covered until I woke up this morning and checked the scores, but glad I didn't have to suffer through that. Nice hit, nonetheless.

                                              Question for Justin though, why do you suggest buying the Rams up to +10.5 (-130) in the correlated parlay? Never thought I'd see you recommending someone buying an entire point for 20 seconds. I'm sure you have a sound mathematical reason for it, just wondering what it is.

                                              Love these videos, though. Great to hear Justin's thoughts on these games that everyone else bets.
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                                              • Justin7
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 07-31-06
                                                • 8577

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by IrishTim
                                                Question for Justin though, why do you suggest buying the Rams up to +10.5 (-130) in the correlated parlay? Never thought I'd see you recommending someone buying an entire point for 20 seconds. I'm sure you have a sound mathematical reason for it, just wondering what it is.

                                                Love these videos, though. Great to hear Justin's thoughts on these games that everyone else bets.
                                                The half-point is worth more than 10 cents.

                                                In the same way you should always buy the "3" for 20 cents or less, the 7 and 10 are worth buying for 10 cents on each half-point.
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                                                • The Bishop
                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                  • 08-21-09
                                                  • 311

                                                  #25
                                                  Prior to seeing Ganch's calculator a few years ago, I never realized how valuable the 10 was either. Hell, same with 14 and 17.
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