Bigdaddy your knowledge is tops, great job sir.
-
Comment -
Joe, the only opinion that matters to BDQH is his (or others that agree with his opinion). In his eyes, he is omnipotent in the arena of CFB gambling... everyone else is an imbecile.
You have done your homework and I, for one, appreciate everything you've submitted in regards to Navy's strengths/weaknesses and modus operendi. (Luckily for me, reading comprehension is one of my strengths.)
One should remember that according to BDQH, Phil Steele has at least one felony conviction (a statement he has been unable to back up).
Please keep posting your well thought out analysis.Comment -
Reading comprehension? You have no strengths you idiot. Let me tell the good folks in here just how stupid you are. When you went to T-Tech, they asked you if you wanted to graduate "*** Laude". You thought that this was a great idea, whipped it out, and started jerking away. Nothing happened. That is how stupid you are, you dumb hick Texan. Now any time you want to place a point wager (since that is all I can do in here) on a game, you just let me know boy. If not, then get your little taik out of here. You know NOTHING about football, nor do you ever start threads involving Football. All you can do is just chip in with your general B.S. that means absolutely nothing.Comment -
If this game was sandwiched between Michigan and Michigan State games it might have a chance.
To open the season, first game of the year where they have all summer to prepare for Navy's offense? Hell to the shit no. Just say no.Comment -
Ad hominem attacks from another usually means that one has struck an important cord, in that you fall prey to your brand of criticism (i.e., "This guy I'm writing to -- he don't know shit.").
Your posts seem to be pre-manufactured, waiting to put them to use in deriding others.
So, let's go through it, if you can:
- Navy's ENDs (they're not listed as WRs; it's not just nomenclature, it relates to their priority on #3 and the near-deep defender). They shall block. They shall communicate with the A-backs. It's not a priority for them to threaten the secondary except when executing their only two read-on-the-run option routes: cutting down after 16 yards when going against man-under deep or cover-4, and occupying the safety/seam when running a switch route with the A-back against cover-2.
- What does "to speak of" really mean, if you take the time to think about it? Have YOU seen these players actually play? Really? Do you know how they're implemented scheme-wise? Can you extrapolate that to Ohio State, other than talking about how scary they look coming off of the bus, or how fast they've clocked in spring training?
It is appreciable, to some extent, that you can, along with about million other football pedants, can identify disparate talent levels between two teams. Your rhetoric is ironclad here, because speaking/writing about the match-up once you've mastered the equivalent of saying your ABCs out load is akin to thinking that you're on your way to peer-reviewing linguistic-study papers tomorrow. The issue here is that one cannot dispute the possibility of this being so -- your expertise -- but the only thing read here from you are editorial blurbs about the approximate form of a team that you think it to be. For example, yeah, we all, hopefully, know of the talent differences between said teams in this post. But what have you spoken critically about, let's say, Ohio State, in just how their personnel will combat the whole crux of my reasoning as to how Navy can beat a team like this?
"Bigger, faster, talent, points allowed," yes. We both know this.
Are you reading why I discussed this game as having one of the few, viable 20-point-plus underdogs to snatch away an upset?
Rocks always beats scissors, as your rationale must flow. "But, but, dudebroguy, you're not looking at the talent. You are not looking at the talent."
Yes, I am. Yes, I have.
Please, edify us then. How are you seeing this game playing out in terms of what I have written.
Formulaically, your response may yet again be made of re-hashed platitudes, echoing your buddy in rote generalization, Phil Steele, followed by attempts at go-nowhere rhetoric.
You may be confusing functional analysis with smooth-talking. Why is that?
Are gathering that I'm putting the "house" on this? Are you somehow worried that others may hypothetically do the same? Are you acting out of some misplaced manner of philanthropy, hiding others from the wares of the snake oil salesman? Dude, you have some issues to work on interpersonally.
i write about a statistically significant level of R.O.I. here, but some rah-rah shit about "my team."
I understand where you're coming from. I mean, I agree with the first 10% of your reasoning; it's sound logic if these two teams play in an isolated, weighted system according to crystalline programming. But that's not how real life works when two teams match-up, especially with one team having a systematic design to cancel out talent disparities, creating a 10-on-9 advantage if the QB reads #1/#2 simultaneously. That's the most important contingency in a game like this (e.g., Reynolds, Keenan; Jasper, Ivin, et al.). This is the "magic bullet" that renders contests like this as attainable for squads like Navy.
We may go through the full extent of the Naval defense versus Coach Herman/Meyer's offensive approach. How's that sound? I've always liked talking Meyer's approach to "displaced, triple-option football."
Or are you off to wax expert on every other team in the country in this forum? Googling is not the instant equivalent to deriding one's analysis, especially as to how it pertains specifically to this situational match-up.
I made good money off of the few times that I bet last year: Navy (ML) @ Indiana, Navy (+17.5) @ Notre Dame, Navy (-6) v. Middle Tennesse State, and, most importantly, Georgia Southern (+28.5; +2,900). Schematically, one can see why I bet these games. And, situationally, I'm sure most could envision fading the Gators playing their last game of a lost season going against a team with nothing to lose deploying a scheme that requires 100% mental effort every play from the defense.
I'm just trying to help some identify when just when a king may not beat a queen straight up. What do you do here other than forage for arguments?Last edited by Joe_Shabadoo; 07-30-14, 03:49 PM.Comment -
Comment -
Joe. Just ignore Tripper. That moron stole my pick of Florida State ML over Pitt. He is lucky just to be around. One of these days someone is going to replace his face with his arse. He is such a liar.
Now getting back to the Navy, Ohio State game, let me clarify myself so that even you can understand me. Can Navy win that game straight up? Sure they can. Ohio State can make several critical turnoves. They can take several bad penalties. They can suffer an injury or two. We have seen this happen time and time again. But if you can tell me that you think that if both Ohio State and Navy bring their "A" game, and no one turns the bal over, and Navy still can win the game, then I suggest you do a complete makeover of your computer, stats, and whaever else you use, beause nothing is more incorrect.
Now if you insist on this alleged "functional rhetoric", I am going to run you right out of this forum when Ohio State defeats Navy. You seem to think that Ohio State has no chance because of your "functional rhetoric". You post all about the games that you have won, but what about all the games you lost? I am sure there are many mmore games that you lost than you won. So post your picks. DO this or I WILL run you out of here, just like I ran the moron sweet talking Oregon fan out of another site after his beloved Ducks lost to Stanford once again (as I told him they would). He never returned to that site for the entire season, citing business as his excuse. I will be looking for you when Ohio State defeats Navy. If Navy wins S/U, I will be the first one to admit that I totally misread the game and was wrong. I do NOT believe in excuses and DO NOT accept them. The only reason why your team loses is because they scored fewer points than the other team. PERIOD! I expect the same thing out of you. Do NOT try to post anything else about any other game unless you admit that you were totally wrong if Navy loses to Ohio State S/U. That is the burden you have just given yourself. That is the wager we just made, whether you like it or not. Anything else to add, sweet talker? Remember, we are talking S/U, not ATS. I have not determined who to play ATS, if any team as of yet. It probably will be a pass, because Navy is really an unimportant team this season.Comment -
"Functional rhetoric" was never written together. Dyslexic much? Your selective reading/reasoning is duly noted. Again.
And, whoah, tangents. Everywhere.
Something about "running me out of here." Some guy. A guy and Oregon.
I addressed your form of rebuttal by asking you to break down the game for me, as I did in kind for all potential readers. I did not ask for you dick-measuring, e-tough guy schtick. Nor did I request your repetitive, got-nothing-to-say equation of DERRRR OHIO STATE DERRRR DONT U KNOW DERRR NAVY GONNA DIE.
You seek to agree to an admittance of being wrong on a game. Um, yes. OK. That's why I'm posting about the upset. One can read what I think will happen. Hence, my rationale. You in all likelihood read the first six words and last six words of any post on this forum. Mental gymnastics are easier to pull off this way, as I've seen many a time in your bibliography here.
King Shit, arbiter, grand midwife, whatever that you want to appear to be on this forum, it's inconsequential. You do know that right?
So, again, yes: Navy wins, I win. You say, "good job"?
Ohio State wins: I lose, you can say, "Yup, I told you so." And then I ----- agree? OK.
Verily. Of course.
Back on point, if you can understand: I asked for your analysis of the game. Not for your analogy of "big fish eats little fish." Please, discuss how Ohio State's running game coordination from Urban, Herman, and Ed Warriner will do what other teams have managed to Buddy Green's defense? I have seen LeSean McCoy, Marcus Lattimore, Cam McDaniel, Taurean Folston, Boom Herron, Brandon Saine, Armando Allen and their respective units bash Navy's defense. But Navy either won straight up or came within four points in all of these aforementioned contests where they were double-digit-plus 'dogs, getting beaten like redheaded step-children defensively.
"Common knowledge" dictates that it should be but a preamble as to how a team can win on a paper first looking at the match-up. You know, as in, furthermore: come up with something else. I did, and that's why I wrote what I did. You should go through it at least once.
Have you watched Navy's contests with, say, for example, Notre Dame last season, or against South Carolina, 2011? One would be foolish to think that I did not anticipate Navy's defense to be run/passed on as they were. Holy shit, I never even began to think of how Ohio State may do the same. It's a forgone conclusion that Ohio State is going to establish their base plays without too much trouble. The reader without emotional impediments or biases would have been able to not-so-brilliantly deduce this part before even reading the title of my post.
Readers will fall into two groups: 1) those who will gather the written information and make an educated decision, and then perhaps an educated counter; 2) chest-beating bros who speak of running others off of a forum. You are borderline.
I'll follow your rabble, if you can cite what I'm asking for. Derp.Last edited by Joe_Shabadoo; 07-30-14, 08:27 PM.Comment -
First, I agree on your disposition of this thread after the Navy-Ohio state game is over. That is now settled. Next. I have watched EVERY Navy game since 2009 and I can tell you that your analysis is way off. Navy has a very difficult winning games on the road, especially against quality teams. In the past three years they basically have not been very competitive against these quality teams. They lost at South Carolina in 2011. They lost at Penn State in 2012 and were destroyed by Arizona State in their Bowl Game. They lost at Duke last season. In all three of these seasons they have also lost to Notre Dame, a team who'se number they seem to have until that time. Navy's away record for the last three years is 7-12, and that includes games against Western Kentucky, Central Michigan, Troy, Rutgers, SMU, and San Jose State. You cannot show me one win against a solid Top 10 team and this is what you forget. They do have two wins agaist Notre Dame, but those wins came when the Irish were NOT a Top 10 team. You cannot tell me when Navy last defeated a Top 10 team. My guess is that Navy will once again handle the likes of Temple, Texas State, VMI, and Georgia Southern, but they will NOT defeat Ohio State and Notre Dame. Your theory is great on paper, but since it has not been proven in the past 11 years or longer, your theory is incorrect. The simple truth is that Navy does NOT have the talent that Ohio State has, nor do they have the coaches that can compare to those at Ohio State. Do you really think that Ken Niummatalolo can even be mentioned in the same breath as Urban Meyer? Ohio State has superior players and superior coaches. Navy has a record of total futility when playing teams like Ohio State. I rest my case. You have to prove yours, and the only way that will happen is when Navy defeates a talented team.Comment -
Reciting historical records is not the same as providing in-depth analysis. Joe made his case by detailing exactly how he thought Navy would both attack as well as defend the athletically superior Buckeyes. Joe has shown himself to be quite proficient in explaining the nuts/bolts of the flexbone offense... to the point that my head was swimming until I was able to digest most everything (which took me more than a couple of minutes). All you've done is yada, yada, yada about the past (which is all that anyone should expect from you).
You're not a coach, but you insist on trying to tell a coach that he doesn't know what the fukk he is talking about. (That is some FUNNY shyt!)
In closing, you have not watched every game that NAVY has played since 2009 as you claim... so STFUComment -
I'm not the biggest football guru but here's what I've noticed when it comes to teams like Navy and GT. During the course of the regular season when teams only have a week to prepare for their strange offense, they're difficult to beat. But it seems like anytime a team has an off week or it's a bowl game with lots of time to prepare they usually have very little problem with these types of offenses. Whether you like Urban Meyer or not there is no denying he's a very good coach. I have to believe he'll have Navy pegged from the get go.Comment -
OK. For once, I may say that I thank you for an equitable response, without resorting to attacking character.
You're right to the extent that one would also say theoretically right, because the aim here is not to stack historical account as the mathematical weight that will balance the outcome of this game.
What's so different here for Navy is the combination of their possibly-best-ever offensive line, Coaches Niu, Jasper, and Ashley Ingram, and, most importantly, Keenan Reynolds.
It would be folly, and totally foolish to have tried to insist that there could be a realistic chance for the upset here if I were going off of nothing other than a gut-feel -- like, I just felt that maybe, hopefully it'll be different this time if I just wish hard enough. But that was the whole reason for my post: to discuss why this scenario, situationally, is different than other results on your given timeline.
More so, I have already discussed a couple of Navy's losses last season. Play and flow schedule within this system is critical for every team, but it's dire for a team like Navy. The buttress for such fragility scheme-wise is Reynolds. This guy is just, well, really damned perfect for this system. You have to mortgage the whole approach of the offense to make this work, but the big boys can go down even with just a moderate signal caller. Reynolds is beyond that.
But, yes, this case I propose will be simply shown one way or the other.Comment -
I'll post my first reservation with this commonly accepted hypothesis, which was finally analyzed to greater depth a few years ago: http://www.fromtherumbleseat.com/201...-triple-option.
Tomorrow, I'll also go through my own anecdotal evidence as to why I disagree with this assumption.Comment -
This is your entire problem and the huge falacy which you try to present as fact. Navy has never taken down the "Big Boys" with this system. NEVER. You cannot make that statement and claim for it to be true. It is not. You know this and I know this. The system CANNOT take down the "big boys" because it never has.
You may want to save your breath when talking about a post that was made in 2012. Who cares? It is probably not accurete now and totally unimportant.Comment -
It is impossible to prove the merit of accuracy one way or the other until this game is actually over. That'd be a weird statement by either of us to try and "prove" accuracy as of now, no matter the side of a debate. Hence, again, why I wrote what I did about this game; Mr. Reynolds shall put this offense up to complete utility.
Whatever your qualification is for the big boys, and we can argue this to its end, it'll be pretty well represented by this season's Buckeye squad, yes?
I consider the defensive talent that Notre Dame fielded against Navy, or Florida's against Georgia Southern last season, pretty well sufficed.
So, again, we'll see.Comment -
IMO, and the opinion of just about every other knowledgeable college football bettor, Navy is NOT one of the "Big Boys". They are certainly not a Top 10 team, and probably not a Top 30 team. You re trying to say that a team that is not only unranked in the coaches poll, but did not get a single vote in that poll, has a legitimate chance to defeat the team that was voted #6 in that poll, is the favorite to win the Big 10 Conference, and is considered one of the Top 5 teams that have a shot at the playoffs. I have had many people read this and all said that it was well written, but one of the most perposterous things they have read about the 2014 football season. Your statements have absolutely no credability. They are full of "what if's" and "maybe's". They show no understanding of Ohio State. You really overestimate Navy and underestimate Ohio State. You forget that Ohio State has a great coach. A coach who will not allow some little "Mickey Mouse" team derail their legitimate hopes of going to the playoffs in week 1. Can the Navy win a lot of games this season? Absolutely. Look at their schedule. It is loaded with non-power 5 teams. They will probably get a shot at Fresno State, Colorado State, or San Diego State in the Pointsettia Bowl, where they are going. They should be able to eek out a 10 win season. The fact of the matter is that it stops there. Ohio State is NOT one of their 10 wins.Comment -
The things is, considering your citation of "what ifs", that contingency is the only thing possible that may be used. You pounce on this notion, but isolate it as being oppositional to whomever you're debating with; this sentiment extends to any opinion, over- or underrated, about Ohio State. This is still a contingency. Everything is right now. Including the Buckeyes. That's why one has to discuss how these contingencies may be deconstructed intelligently.
I can appreciate that you supposedly know something about Ohio State. I don't doubt you, but you haven't really said anything yet. I actually have done my homework on that team, and that is why I'm focussing on this game. I don't wager a lot, because I like to pick games wherein there is some measure of equivocal value applied to the moneyline.
I'm not off to five-minute analysis about every other team in the country. You don't really think that I'm not, even the slightest, aware of Ohio State's personnel and ability from top to bottom? The only way that I bet on a contest is if I'm versed as such with both sides.
Coaches Larry Johnson and Ed Warriner are probably the very best combination of offensive and defensive line coaches in the nation. Chris Ash has done some damned-fine play-by-play adjustment with Brett Bielema pre-Arkansas. Coach Herman is more like Meyer's lackey than a full-fledged overseer. All-in-all, I've watched all of Ohio State's contests since '12. I can at least say that I have witnessed all of Ohio State's and Navy's games for the last two years, since 1) When is tO.S.U. not televised? 2) It pays to have CBS Sports Network to be able to see Navy play. Thereafter, my set-up is decent, being able to download the games that I need onto my P.C. to review.
I do know what I'm seeing here, I hear you. They're really damned good. They scoff at Navy's navy-ness, probably, as well. I'm not really sure your attempts to speak in common-knowledge about subjective consensus describing Ohio State's superlatives is doing anything different to my understanding of just how the Middies' coaching staff will scheme to win this game.
I'm not in their position, but I imagine that editorial factoid's of projected awesomeness about Ohio State will not factor into the game-plan for the Naval staff.
I'm sure that at least, at one time, you've criticized perhaps another about being too rigid in they're being a ranking whore, but what else are you holding behind your maxims of "probably not a Top-30 team," "#6 in the polls," "favorite to win the B1G," "considered to be top-5"?
I ask, because your criterion of substance, apparently, is lacking on your own end immediately after you begin to list such an important detail -- a detail that I'm NOT remembering.Comment -
Here is where you are completely off base. The Ohio State coaching staff is FAR superior to the Navy coaching staff. There is absolutely no question about this. Yiou cannot argue otherwise and you know it. DC Buddy Green was forced to move starting OLB Lordan Draike to ILB to shore up the hole that he created by failing to get last year's back-ups enough playing time at that position. This means that Navy will be very vulnerable outside. Braxton Miller will kill the Navy defenses with roll outs and short passes to speedster WR's Spencer, Devin Smith, and true Freshman Curtis Samuel and Corey Smith. Navy has not faced this type of speed in recent history. When Navy's defense loostens up, the the Ohio State RB's Ezekiel Elliott and and Donte Wilson. Again the speed will kill Navy. The Defense will be gassed by the end of the half. Ohio State's derfense is one of the best in the nation. Navy's triple threat will be held in check because the Ohio State front 7 is far superior to Navy's Offensive line. Those are the facts, and there is no gimmick your alleged superior coaching staff can design to stop this. They simply do NOT have the players, and they are very thin on defense.
As far as your pathetic defense of you not wagering moey, I probably have been wagering longer than you have been alive. I probably know more pro gamblers than you know people. You offer nothing but a lame excuse for the fact that you are a losing gambler, like most in here. The mere fact that you think that Larry Johnson and Ed Warriner are the "very best combination of offensive and defensive line coaches in the nation" proves your utter stupidity and lack of knowledge. That is the dumbest omment I have read in here lately. If they were any good at all, other schools would take them for open coordinator positions. Please do not tell me that they are loyal to Navy. No assistant coach is loyal to a school who does not pay them nearly as much as most other schools pay for the same job. That is the dumbest thing you have said, and you have said a lot of dumb things. This conversation is over. I do not mind sharing differences of opinions, but anyone who is stupid enough to make that statement does not deserve to be posting in here. I will deal with you after the game. You are a fraud and I will prove this.Last edited by BigdaddyQH; 08-01-14, 08:13 PM.Comment -
Derp alert.
Actual dumb person, please re-read: Ed Warriner and Larry Johnson are the offensive-line and the defensive-line coach, respectively, for Ohio State. You are such a knee-jerk, run-of-the-mill pedant. Do you scream-think verbally as you are typing?
Does it even matter what you read or hear during your day?
Or are you just biting your lip ready, drooling with your bro-rage ready to conflate anything that you want to look as the expert in.
Yes, please deal with me. With your avatar acquaintances. And what are you all together? The gambling syndicate that puts people in their place.
Ignorant as shit.
By the way, there is no fraudulent qualification to be made of either opinion since made here. Until now.Last edited by Joe_Shabadoo; 08-01-14, 09:10 PM.Comment -
What defense of not betting money?
Originally posted by Joe_Shabadoo
That is what was written. As in, one should, per my opinion, wager if only versed in all aspects of said wager? Yeah, that doesn't make sense at all. In fact, it's so incredulous through your eyes, because --- why? That sounds like an asinine proposition, rallying your brain stem against this.
So, then, what is the best course for you? Dumb, loud, dumb, devil-may-care, who gives a shit?
Yeah, that's why you've lasted so long in your reality as Barny Fife of the handicapping world.Comment -
You give this guy the benefit of the doubt of following along, maybe, with the slightest air of comprehension, and then his bullshit actually falls out the cuff of his pants.
And we all just thought we smelled something bad. I can see it now.Comment -
-
Too funny,
and the response is going to be even more so. lol smh 
He also meant to say the Fresno State Campus, not the USC campus. I thought I would correct that error for him.Comment -
It goes without saying that, that was probably the most gramatically correct/properly spelled post he's ever made,
Last edited by Night-Tripper; 08-02-14, 12:06 PM.Comment -
Can BDQH get any dumber?Comment -
Joe, I take it you like navy over 8.5 wins?Comment -
Yes, if that were an actual proposition. That was just guess work, as I have not seen such a wager listed.Comment -
Yes sir, over 8.5 -140 odds on 5 dimes last I checked a couple of days agoComment