8 of the 10 best fighters of all time...

[SHALOMbagelBOMB]

Fact: 8 of the 10 best fighters of all time came from pride...Think about it...

1. Fedor: Pride
2. Canderson Silva: Pride
3. Matt Hughes: UFC
4. GSP: UFC
5. Nogueira: Pride
6. Dan Henderson: Pride
7. Wanderlei Silva: Pride
8. Shogun: Pride
9. Rampage: Pride
10. Sakuraba: Pride


Have a nice day ssluts

[SportsPedagogy]

Henderson fought twice in the UFC before pride.

You left off Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, Royce Gracie (who was unstopable in his time) and soon to be added to that list Jon Jones.

[SHALOMbagelBOMB]

Henderson fought twice in the UFC before pride.

You left off Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, Royce Gracie (who was unstopable in his time) and soon to be added to that list Jon Jones.

who would u put chuck ahead of? or randy? those guys just werent good enough...royce doesnt belong ahead of these guys

[spargament]

Fact: 8 of the 10 best fighters of all time came from pride...Think about it... 1. Fedor: Pride 2. Canderson Silva: Pride 3. Matt Hughes: UFC 4. GSP: UFC 5. Nogueira: Pride 6. Dan Henderson: Pride 7. Wanderlei Silva: Pride 8. Shogun: Pride 9. Rampage: Pride 10. Sakuraba: Pride Have a nice day ssluts

Yo i heard you were flat out misinformed and like to spend the majority of your time furiously nuthugging the yellow card system and fights ending in draws because of time limits.

Trolls will be trolls.

When will someone mention the insane amount of guys that have absolutely floundered in transitioning from PRIDE to the UFC without falling back on age every time?

[SportsPedagogy]

Tito Ortiz could be in there over Wandy. Your just glorifying guys who dominated pride. Chuck and Couture dominated in the UFC. If this is based off of how good a person was in there era, Royce is def on there.

[spargament]

Tito Ortiz could be in there over Wandy. Your just glorifying guys who dominated pride. Chuck and Couture dominated in the UFC. If this is based off of how good a person was in there era, Royce is def on there.

I really don't think OP's actually looking for intelligent thought or debate, let alone perspective...but I couldn't agree more about the idea that one needs to define how they 'define' their lists of top fighters. Dominance in an era is something that I think is very important, but at the same time is a lot more easy to factor in when there's stronger empirical data to support the idea in the first place (i.e. Wilt in basketball). I would never say Royce doesn't belong in the discussion, but his MMA record isn't particularly special and is padded by many questionable circumstances surrounding his fights (like not having judges around resulting in draws on multiple occasions) and he's done a fantastic job of diminishing the meaning of his own accomplishments when he does things like tests positive for roids after beating Sakuraba in 07, and says absolutely idiotic things in interviews...when he speaks sometimes, he makes Chael Sonnen look good

[SportsPedagogy]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of his, but he did mainstream the sport and just fell behind when guys started cross training.

[Kaladarus]

Where is Forrest Griffin on that list?

[spargament]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of his, but he did mainstream the sport and just fell behind when guys started cross training.

Agreed. It's so refreshing to hear relatively unbiased and fair evaluations of fighters every once in a while

[Donkwin47]

You forgot #1... Jon "Bones" Jones. Yes, I am dead serious.

[The HOFF]

Your list is completely inaccurate...

1. Ken Shamrock
2. Elvis Sinosic
3. Andy Wang
4. Hong Man Choi
5. Kimbo Slice
6. Butterbean
7. Jonathan Goulet
8. Kalib Starnes
9. Semmy Schilt
10. Tim Sylvia

[PlatinumBerg]

Your list is completely inaccurate...

1. Ken Shamrock
2. Elvis Sinosic
3. Andy Wang
4. Hong Man Choi
5. Kimbo Slice
6. Butterbean
7. Jonathan Goulet
8. Kalib Starnes
9. Semmy Schilt
10. Tim Sylvia

[GunShard]

Anderson Silva is #1.
I would put Jon Jones and GSP in the top 5.

[SportsPedagogy]

Jon jones is on his way, let's let him defend a few times tho. Also, BJ Penn can be considered as well. It all comes down to what you look for

[RaiderNation MMA]

you cant not have anderson silva

[k13]

Anderson Silva lost in PRIDE. Therefore.......

He just beats bunch of bums in UFC, bfd. Don't mean anything.

[SportsPedagogy]

Anderson Silva evolved .. it happens in MMA. Name one guy on that list who would be favorited vs Anderson Silva ....

[SHALOMbagelBOMB]

so what ur saying is andersons losses against not top 10 opponentd dont count? u already lost the
argumen then bro

[caveira]

I disagree with the list, Randy Couture, BJ Pen and Chuck Liddell are ahead of Wanderlei Silva and Sakuraba for sure... Looks like you removed them on purpose to prove the superiority of Pride over the UFC.

[Landscaper]

R.Gracie is #1 guy was unbeatable in his day

[SportsPedagogy]

so what ur saying is andersons losses against not top 10 opponentd dont count? u already lost the
argumen then bro

Anderson wasnt in his prime at that time ... are we going to count Wandys loses to not top 10 ? or Fedors ? Sakuraba and Nog have quite a few too ...

[SHALOMbagelBOMB]

Anderson wasnt in his prime at that time ... are we going to count Wandys loses to not top 10 ? or Fedors ? Sakuraba and Nog have quite a few too ...

dominating the hw division for 10 yrs and losing to one fighter not in the top 10 in hendo isnt as bad as getting aubmitted by two fighters who were never top 10. sakuraba lost to guys not in top 10 but also destroyed all the gracies who ruled the ufc and who has nog lost to that wasnt top 10?

[SportsPedagogy]

dominating the hw division for 10 yrs and losing to one fighter not in the top 10 in hendo isnt as bad as getting aubmitted by two fighters who were never top 10.

Werdum and Big foot Silva ? Now tell me one guy in your top ten list besides big nog that Fedor has beat ....

sakuraba lost to guys not in top 10 but also destroyed all the gracies who ruled the ufc

considering Royce was the only Gracie to have success in the UFC and Sakuraba is 1-1 against him those fights were after Gracies prime, once the sport had passed him by. Its not like he beat him at UFC 1 2 or 3.

and who has nog lost to that wasnt top 10?

Josh Barnett and he got finished By Frank Mir and Cain Valezquez.

[SHALOMbagelBOMB]

yea because prime crocop prime randleman sylvia and arlovski while they were still top 5 means nothing...and a prime coleman werent top 10? I guess u think the ufc hw division was better than prides back on the day, which might make u the dumbest man on the planet...and
sakuraba beat all the gracies

with their own BS rules no time limit with a gi etc...who were better than overrated royce...and if u consider the rematch in 2007 as significant then I feel sorry for ur intelligence...and mir and cain werent top 10 when they beat a 100 yr old nog? wow u really shoukd chris benoit urself

and yea barnett wasnt top 10 when he beat nog? im guessing u think randy was better? lmao

[SHALOMbagelBOMB]

so there were 10 better hws than josh barnett when he got 2nd at the pride gp? crocop and fedor and 8 others? lol ok

[kmdubya]

so there were 10 better hws than a juiced josh barnett when he got 2nd at the pride gp? crocop and fedor and 8 others? lol ok

Fixed

[spargament]

Your list is completely inaccurate... 1. Ken Shamrock 2. Elvis Sinosic 3. Andy Wang 4. Hong Man Choi 5. Kimbo Slice 6. Butterbean 7. Jonathan Goulet 8. Kalib Starnes 9. Semmy Schilt 10. Tim Sylvia

Blatant omissions include Joe Son and Emmanuel Yarborough.

yea because prime crocop prime randleman sylvia and arlovski while they were still top 5 means nothing...and a prime coleman werent top 10? I guess u think the ufc hw division was better than prides back on the day, which might make u the dumbest man on the planet...and sakuraba beat all the gracies with their own BS rules no time limit with a gi etc...who were better than overrated royce...and if u consider the rematch in 2007 as significant then I feel sorry for ur intelligence...and mir and cain werent top 10 when they beat a 100 yr old nog? wow u really shoukd chris benoit urself and yea barnett wasnt top 10 when he beat nog? im guessing u think randy was better? lmao

I'm starting to think you ACTUALLY believe the ridiculous shit you say. I almost feel sorry for you. But then I realized how classy you were with your Benoit reference, you don't need my pity.

Anderson Silva held one of your precious PRIDE titles, yet your memory is SO selective that you choose to remember a match against Chonan instead of his reign in PRIDE, and/or absolutely unparalleled ease with which he's dominated the UFC?

..Wait...this is starting to add up...you're blindly obsessed with a promotion riddled by steroid abuse, listed probable users in your list, used proven users in your examples and amazing displays of circular logic (and are parading around like you're some holier-than-thou MMA genius, like this entire forum doesn't remember your piss poor capping last night), and are now throwing in a reference about a pro wrestler who used steroids? Do you have anything you'd like to tell us about yourself? I'm not implying a thing.

I'm waiting for you to pull out the green card, and take 10% of my purse..that, and a sudden revision of your list that includes Kohsaka.. I HEARD HE THROWS AWESOME BOWZ LOLZ AND HE BEAT FEDOR AND MO SMITH AND YVEL AND JUST LIKE FEDOR ONE TIME FIGHTED AGAINST BIG NOG B4 HE WUZ 100 YRSold AND DIDNT WIN OR LOSE IN THATIFGHT ARE YOUGONNATELL ME THOSE GUYS WERE NEVER TOP 10

wow. that string of garbage was incredibly difficult to produce. I have a newfound sense of admiration for the Colorless green ideas sleeping furiously inside of your head

[Pabinator]

Fedor fans never seem to amaze me, still have him #1? He's not even a top 5 of all time

[Poppa Catfish]

pity post

[Vaughany]

Your list is completely inaccurate...

1. Ken Shamrock
2. Elvis Sinosic
3. Andy Wang
4. Hong Man Choi
5. Kimbo Slice
6. Butterbean
7. Jonathan Goulet
8. Kalib Starnes
9. Semmy Schilt
10. Tim Sylvia

That's more like it, could add Goulet to that tho maybe

[Vaughany]

pity post

[SportsPedagogy]

That's more like it, could add Goulet to that tho maybe

Kimbo slice > Houston Alexander > Kieth Jardine > Forrest Griffen > rampage > Henderson > Fedor.........Kimbo > Fedor....... Can't argue with that logic !

[SHALOMbagelBOMB]

Blatant omissions include Joe Son and Emmanuel Yarborough.



I'm starting to think you ACTUALLY believe the ridiculous shit you say. I almost feel sorry for you. But then I realized how classy you were with your Benoit reference, you don't need my


pity.

Anderson Silva held one of your precious PRIDE titles, yet your memory is SO selective that you choose to remember a match against Chonan instead of his reign in PRIDE, and/or absolutely unparalleled ease with which he's dominated the UFC?

..Wait...this is starting to add up...you're blindly obsessed with a promotion riddled by steroid abuse, listed probable users in your list, used proven users in your examples and amazing displays of circular logic (and are parading around like you're some holier-than-thou MMA genius, like this entire forum doesn't remember your piss poor capping last night), and are now throwing in a reference about a pro wrestler who used steroids? Do you have anything you'd like to tell us about yourself? I'm not implying a thing.

I'm waiting for you to pull out the green card, and take 10% of my purse..that, and a sudden revision of your list that includes Kohsaka.. I HEARD HE THROWS AWESOME BOWZ LOLZ AND HE BEAT FEDOR AND MO SMITH AND YVEL AND JUST LIKE FEDOR ONE TIME FIGHTED AGAINST BIG NOG B4 HE WUZ 100 YRSold AND DIDNT WIN OR LOSE IN THATIFGHT ARE YOUGONNATELL ME THOSE GUYS WERE NEVER TOP 10

wow. that string of garbage was incredibly difficult to produce. I have a newfound sense of admiration for the Colorless green ideas sleeping furiously inside of your head

so his reign in pride is going 3-2 and losing to asian cans?

[SHALOMbagelBOMB]

lol ur idiocy is laughable...anderson never held a pride title...u really should never post again u have embarrassed urself enough

[caveira]

dominating the hw division for 10 yrs and losing to one fighter not in the top 10 in hendo isnt as bad as getting aubmitted by two fighters who were never top 10. sakuraba lost to guys not in top 10 but also destroyed all the gracies who ruled the ufc and who has nog lost to that wasnt top 10?

Dominanting the HW division for 10 years? I don't think so man! When Pride was over, Fedor avoided the UFC along the years, How could he dominated the class if he wasn't fighting in the best event, against the best? If Fedor had gone to the UFC would have had the same fate as Big Nog and Cro Cop ...