What's The Plays Going Forward To Strikeforce Hendo/Fedor

**urge2kill** · 07-03-11, 01:16 PM

Mo/Gracie got rescheduled for September I think.

**Hannibal** · 07-03-11, 01:25 PM

I like Fedor to win and I'm thinking about making a play soon. He is -201 now. Which way do you see the lines moving?

I wouldnt bet on under or over distance. Lots of likely scenarios. Both guys have finishing ability, but both are tough to finish. Especially in a 3 round fight. Maybe if one side is skewed as a heavy underdog I'll play it.

**lasker** · 07-03-11, 04:18 PM

If you like Fedor I'd take him at -201, it won't get better than that imo.

**Hannibal** · 07-04-11, 10:59 AM

not strikeforce..
but what do you guys think of sakara vs rivera?
ebersole vs hallman?

maybe phan over brown?

**v1y** · 07-04-11, 11:18 AM

i think the line on tate is worth a small play. i actually think hendo upsets fedor, so i'll put a tiny bit on that.

otherwise, i'll wait to see the lines. woodley and saffiedine should win no problem, but both of their opponents have obvious ko power.

**Jabstab** · 07-04-11, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by koscheckbaby

Paul Daley vs. Tyron Woodley- I like Woodley to use his wrestling here. Not sure what odds will be like or if it's worth it because of Daley's KO power
Tim Kennedy vs. Robbie Lawler- Lawler is really overmatched on the ground here. But again, he has that lethal KO power and a bit of a wrestling base to maybe get the shot before the takedown

Thoughts

I haven't sat down to watch any tape yet on these two fights nor have I looked at the odds but I would have to think Woodley will be laid as the dog due to public perception of Daley. Im thinking there will be a ton of value in this fight for Woodley as a dog. I have similar feelings about Tim Kennedy, in both cases you have exciting strikers fighting methodical wrestlers who are more than happy to pin you to the cage for 3 rounds and pitter patter there ways to a Unan Dec.

**Vaughany** · 07-04-11, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by Jabstab

I haven't sat down to watch any tape yet on these two fights nor have I looked at the odds but I would have to think Woodley will be laid as the dog due to public perception of Daley. Im thinking there will be a ton of value in this fight for Woodley as a dog. I have similar feelings about Tim Kennedy, in both cases you have exciting strikers fighting methodical wrestlers who are more than happy to pin you to the cage for 3 rounds and pitter patter there ways to a Unan Dec.

I shall be avoiding the main event, but am very interested in the Woodley and Saffiedine lines as I like them both to win big time.

I think we'll be very fortunate to get Woodley as dog and u'd have to catch the opener in any case as his line will get pounded if he opens as dog. I dont think the bookies will allow Daley's public perception and KO power to outweigh the fact that he gets dominated by wrestlers. I'll be taking Woodley up to -150, maybe even up to -200. I think Daley virtually just has a punchers chance albeit a decent chance because his attacking stand-up is very good (however is defence is average), Woodley's team-mate Masvidal who is smaller and who's wrestling credentials are nothing compared to T-Wood's was able to take Daley down. It's becoming more and more palpable that Roughhouse fighters like Daley, Hardy and Winner believe they can use the "we don't like to point score and we just want to entertain" get-out clause as a way of disguising there continued lack of grappling development. Woodley has both a solid double leg takedown and solid takedowns from the clinch as he showed against Saffiedine, who has much better takedown defence than Semtex IMO. Semtex also doesnt actually have great footwork, partly because he likes to plant his feet for power hooks which will only help Woodley get the takedown even further. Unfortunately for Semtex he has gone from having a very winnable fight against Cyborg to a horrible stylistic fight against Woodley. Of course he can still catch Tyron and get a TKO/KO but Tyron is quick and has ever improving stand-up himself (from training at ATT and WildCard with Freddy Roach) which allows him to set up his takedowns more effectively. Most are gonna predict a Woodley decision but I wouldnt rule a TKO or more likely submission finish.

Also hope to get Saffiedine at -150 or better against Smith, again might get a generous opener.

**v1y** · 07-04-11, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Jabstab

I haven't sat down to watch any tape yet on these two fights nor have I looked at the odds but I would have to think Woodley will be laid as the dog due to public perception of Daley. Im thinking there will be a ton of value in this fight for Woodley as a dog. I have similar feelings about Tim Kennedy, in both cases you have exciting strikers fighting methodical wrestlers who are more than happy to pin you to the cage for 3 rounds and pitter patter there ways to a Unan Dec.

Bookies will have to be smoking some powerful stuff to open Woodley as the underdog. Then again, they opened Schaub the underdog against Crocop, so anything's possible.

**Nick The Greek** · 07-04-11, 01:41 PM

Definitely like Miesha to pull out a W over Coenen, probably via decision. And I really believe Hendo is going to be the guy to finally put Fedor's lights out.

**cheeese** · 07-04-11, 04:44 PM

When do you think these lines will open?

**Vaughany** · 07-04-11, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by cheeese

When do you think these lines will open?

Two weeks before event so mid month

**FlashinLeather** · 07-04-11, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Nick The Greek

Definitely like Miesha to pull out a W over Coenen, probably via decision. And I really believe Hendo is going to be the guy to finally put Fedor's lights out.

As much as I like Coenen, she did get dominated her last fight and was lucky to pull off the submission. I see Tate winning this match up as well.

**Kaladarus** · 07-04-11, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Hannibal

not strikeforce..
but what do you guys think of sakara vs rivera?
ebersole vs hallman?

maybe phan over brown?

With you on all your picks. Got to wait until the lines come out before making any decision, but I'll be looking to take those picks at the right price also.

**snake11eyes** · 07-04-11, 07:12 PM

I like Woodley, Kennedy, and Saffiedine as well. Hopefully all these fights open close to even or slight dogs.

**Vrakas** · 07-04-11, 08:51 PM

fedor wins easy as long as he tries to win.the last couple of fights he had no drive or motivation to fight.

**koscheckbaby** · 07-04-11, 09:57 PM

Kennedy-Lawler to Not go 2 rounds or the distance is a great bet IMO. Kennedy is strong like a bull and has really good control and BJJ. If he gets Lawler down, Lawler is seriously ******. Kennedy is pretty relentless and hard to get off once he actually gets the takedown. I think Lawler will last even shorter than he did against Jacare if Tim gets him down. Conversely, if Lawler can keep himself upright for any period of time, Kennedy is ******.

**MMAbetMASTA** · 07-05-11, 06:07 PM

really like tate at the current line, I think that is money... also like a small upset play on hendo.

Depending on kennedy's line, I like him to bring a smothering fight to lawler.

**Hannibal** · 07-05-11, 08:16 PM

No one likes fedor here?
If you compare skillset and physical traits, isn't fedor superior in almost all aspects? And he's finally fighting a smaller man.

**jspectyper** · 07-05-11, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by Hannibal

No one likes fedor here?
If you compare skillset and physical traits, isn't fedor superior in almost all aspects? And he's finally fighting a smaller man.

I think fedor wins big in this. Other then hendo's h bomb I just cant see him giving fedor his 3rd consecutive loss.

**NickBaragona** · 07-05-11, 10:37 PM

I'm on Fedor in this one as well.

**Hannibal** · 07-05-11, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by jspectyper

I think fedor wins big in this. Other then hendo's h bomb I just cant see him giving fedor his 3rd consecutive loss.

Aside from the big right hand, the only other path to victory for Dan is to wrestle Fedor to a decision.
Is he capable of this? a few years ago, no ... but it seems fedor has gone away from what made him successful: his grappling, especially in the clinch, and ground and pound.

**Wrecked** · 07-05-11, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by Hannibal

Aside from the big right hand, the only other path to victory for Dan is to wrestle Fedor to a decision.
Is he capable of this? a few years ago, no ... but it seems fedor has gone away from what made him successful: his grappling, especially in the clinch, and ground and pound.

Uhm, yeah when he's fighting guys twice his fuking size.

**Straight Cash** · 07-06-11, 06:16 AM

Tough fight....hard not to take Fedor.

**GoldRush7** · 07-06-11, 07:22 AM

I agree it's hard not to go with Fedor here, but he has been in a slump as of late.

**sirchadwick1** · 07-06-11, 09:30 AM

Fedor! I know he's looked a shell of himself lately... but against BIG guys that are actually at the top of their game. I have a feeling he rebounds nicely against Hendo and at a very fair price I might add.

**koscheckbaby** · 07-06-11, 10:34 AM

It is a good price. Had Fedor fought Hendo just a year ago the odds for Fedor would be like -500 or -600. Hendo did used to fight at HW. But people forget the last time he did, Nog completely dominated him. The same Nog that then got dominated by Fedor. There's weight classes for a reason, as much as Hendo has enjoyed a great amount of his success fighting bigger guys.

**v1y** · 07-06-11, 10:48 AM

I don't think Hendo's fight with Nogueira in 2002 offers any insight into this matchup.

**sportsfanatic** · 07-06-11, 12:31 PM

"hw" hendo planning to fight at 206.1lbs. lol.................

**Arsenal** · 07-06-11, 12:36 PM

Cannot see Fedor losing this fight.

**sportsfanatic** · 07-06-11, 12:40 PM

once fedor beats him, i would really like fedor to try out the lhw division for real.

**sportsfanatic** · 07-06-11, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by koscheckbaby

There's weight classes for a reason

yeah, the gracie days when a welterweight would beat heavyweights seem pretty funny now.

**Vaughany** · 07-06-11, 12:55 PM

Funnnny shiiit...

**Jabstab** · 07-06-11, 03:00 PM

I think Lawler will last even shorter than he did against Jacare if Tim gets him down. Conversely, if Lawler can keep himself upright for any period of time, Kennedy is ******.

Jacare>Kennedy (in terms of danger on the ground)

**illmatick** · 07-06-11, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Funnnny shiiit...