Tito at +340?

**FindTheLock** · 07-01-11, 12:24 AM

good luck betting on a guy who hasn't won in 5 years! It would take +3000 odds for me to bet on ortiz in this fight

**sweethook** · 07-01-11, 12:46 AM

he knows somebody ,just cashin a check thats all

**ShogunRua** · 07-01-11, 12:46 AM

Taking Tito here is a bad bad bet. He's old, washed up, 0 finishing ability, and is fighting one of the top prospects at LHW who just happens to be a better wrestler than him.

**JuicedUp** · 07-01-11, 12:46 AM

This was his last victory.

**stikymess** · 07-01-11, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by JuicedUp

This was his last victory.

CORRECTION:
On April 26, 2010, was his last vicory, he beat up Jenna Jamison.

**bogbat** · 07-01-11, 01:08 AM

I personally think Bader should be set at -700. It's true that Bader usually does gas in the late second or third but so has Tito since he made his return. Bader recently said in an interview that he gasses because he is too tense and comes out throwing a lot of powerful overhand rights with everything he's got. He went on to state that he is going to make an effort to come out more relaxed this fight and use a lot stricter technique. If he can do this we may see a much improved version of Bader.

**JuicedUp** · 07-01-11, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by stikymess

CORRECTION:
On April 26, 2010, was his last vicory, he beat up Jenna Jamison.

I hear she is very good off her back.

**suicidekings** · 07-01-11, 01:22 AM

It's an unbettable line, on both sides. Honestly, I'll be rooting for Tito, just for the sake of stirring things up. This fight is an opportunity for the UFC to advance Bader's career with an easy win against a former big name. However, I'm not really a fan of Bader and don't foresee him as a serious contender. Laying -500 is foolish with him, and there are MUCH better ways to spend your money on this card.

Money on Tito is not one of them...

**rocky mattioli** · 07-01-11, 06:44 AM

this fight is what parlays are all about...it`s why everyone needs to have a stake in a book like 5 dimes...

tito was dominating as a younger fighter BEFORE you saw so many great collegiate wrestlers enter the mma scene...yeah,there were the coleman`s and the kevin randleman`s.....but they were few and far between....there are so many now...and those two guys never really evolved(much like tito)....bader`s strking is probably better...more a factor than any of the three mentioned....

hamill just made it look too easy vs ortiz...

ortiz obviously has some gravitas in the mma world...dana will usually just cut a guy,no questions asked.....but apparently,he can`t do it with ortiz....his record`s been abysmal the last few years.....it`s obvious that dana wants him gone ....by sticking him in back to back fights with younger,stronger guys that do what his one dimensional ass does only better,dana`s justifying canning tito,imo.....

could have stuck him in with a te huna/kingsbury or romero(is vemola still in the ufc?...lol).......IF he wanted to give tito a "chance" to extend his career...hard to feature the bader fight as anything other than a vehicle to prop bader back up and end tito`s ufc career...

but,as we all know,anything can happen...and if it does,i`ll be on the hook for around 5 parlays in which i have bader as the kicker....at -450,it didn`t add a ton of value...but i just couldn`t pass it up...

hope i don`t eat crow here...bader shits the bed,i may cut myself...probably the carotid artery...

**Vaughany** · 07-01-11, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by rocky mattioli

hope i don`t eat crow here...bader shits the bed,i may cut myself...probably the carotid artery...

**Straight Cash** · 07-01-11, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by stikymess

CORRECTION:
On April 26, 2010, was his last vicory, he beat up Jenna Jamison.

haha I feel bad for laughing at this

**sirchadwick1** · 07-01-11, 08:05 AM

I think Bader is as close to a lock as you'll get for this event. Tito at +340 has no value at all and I don't think I could take him at even +1000.

**kevalev27** · 07-01-11, 08:40 AM

Thank You everybody, I'm a MMA rookie that follow the sport since UFC 90 that featured my homeboy Pat Cote, I havent really see Tito fight and I wanted some of your opinion. I knew that it may be a lil risky to take Tito but at those odds I wanted to ask the question...

I think the best bet on the board is the Siver against Wiman!

**FlashinLeather** · 07-01-11, 09:15 AM

just like everyone else said, I can't bet on a guy that hasn't won a fight in 6 years, any other fighter would have been cut a long time ago.

**ufcmma36** · 07-01-11, 10:14 AM

it was +500 now down to 3.... Shit I took tito to win by dec +890

**omalley21** · 07-01-11, 10:18 AM

I would play tito by submission at +2000 if at all. He almost triangled machida. Baders only loss is by sub.

**Fiasco01** · 07-01-11, 10:41 AM

I feel like if you were taking Tito you'd have to take him via Decision at better than the +340.

**capone1899** · 07-01-11, 10:45 AM

Tito will probably lose but laying -500 or higher on Ryan Bader is a bad bet imo. Bader is highly ,highly overrated , he barely beat little Nog and was also losing to Jardine before he caught him in the 3rd round . If you want to bet anything with Ortiz in it take Tito by decision at +800 or so , I could see Tito stuffing takedowns in rd 1 and outstriking Bader and all it would take is a close second rd to take the fight .

**freelee** · 07-01-11, 12:23 PM

I don't see how Bader loses this tito is completely over the hill

**Hannibal** · 07-01-11, 12:30 PM

I'm all in on the huntington beach bad boy! He's still one of the most dangerous men in the sport. Lethal hands, and vicious ground and pound elbows. Bader is going to sleep! Punishment!

**ufcmma36** · 07-01-11, 12:50 PM

As a big Tito fan from day one I gotta stay loyal!!! Im really hoping he can shock the world and stay with the UFC!

**Pabinator** · 07-01-11, 12:52 PM

I like Tito also, but no way he wins this fight. He cant out strike, or out power this guy so he is introuble.

**ufcmma36** · 07-01-11, 01:17 PM

if Tito comes in strong and injury free like he says.... Im expecting him to come out alot like he did against Hamill in the 1st rd. Sheesh he even threw a high kick! Tito wants to stay relevant. If Tito can press the action and beat Bader too the punch, then its Titos fight to win!!!

**RaiderNation MMA** · 07-01-11, 01:49 PM

call me crazy, but i think tito is gonna qin. i just feel like bader is taking him too lightly and that tito is fighting for his life basically.

**RaiderNation MMA** · 07-01-11, 01:50 PM

win*

**Vaughany** · 07-01-11, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by RaiderNation MMA

call me crazy, but i think tito is gonna qin. i just feel like bader is taking him too lightly and that tito is fighting for his life basically.

If Bader wasnt coming off a loss then I might believe tht but I dont think he'll overlook Tito in his current position

**GunShard** · 07-01-11, 07:14 PM

Fighters who only fight for the money when losing would be Tito Ortiz and Josh Koscheck.

Fighters can win money even if they lose.

**ShogunRua** · 07-01-11, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Hannibal

I'm all in on the huntington beach bad boy! He's still one of the most dangerous men in the sport. Lethal hands, and vicious ground and pound elbows. Bader is going to sleep! Punishment!

**sweethook** · 07-02-11, 12:56 AM

if hes +400 , pound it

**bogbat** · 07-02-11, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by Hannibal

I'm all in on the huntington beach bad boy! He's still one of the most dangerous men in the sport. Lethal hands, and vicious ground and pound elbows. Bader is going to sleep! Punishment!

Please tell me you are trolling.

**MMAchicka** · 07-02-11, 07:57 AM

I took +420. There's always a chance.

**RivaTrader** · 07-02-11, 10:35 AM

What if Tito just takes Bader down. Tito still has good takedowns and Bader doesn't have very good TD defense. Maybe this is unlikely, but could happen.

**Vaughany** · 07-02-11, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by RivaTrader

What if Tito just takes Bader down. Tito still has good takedowns and Bader doesn't have very good TD defense. Maybe this is unlikely, but could happen.

What evidence is there tht Bader doesnt have good TD defence?

**rocky mattioli** · 07-02-11, 10:58 AM

if bader screws the pooch here,he`s in serious danger of quickly becoming a gatekeeper...i`m honestly not crazy about bader....but he`s fighting tito....he HAS to win here to stay viable...

he`ll never beat jones(i honestly think he realized this by the midpoint of rd 1 in their fight).......and he`s not the most exciting fighter....

he loses to tito,he`s in a world of hurt....