Hamill Fought Like a Coward..

[will2survive]

I thought that he was a good fighter (he can wrestle). In order to win, you have to take chances. He shouldn't get payed. What a disgrace. To even throw a penny on this guy, I must have been a jackass. If I'm going to lose, I'll reload but for god's sakes, take a chance. This is the UFC. I'll never respect this guy again. People pay money to watch and see him fight.

Christ, I would've let Dana White pay me and launched at Rampage more than Hamill. Of course, I would've gotten my ass kicked but have some fukkin guts

[SportsPedagogy]

Hamil took some huge shots early, then he went in to safe mode, some fighter have it in their minds that if they dont get finished, they fought a better fight ...

[Ladle]

Every time Hamill stepped in close to throw strikes or set up a takedown, he was at risk of getting parried and tagged. Essentially, the threat of Quinton's boxing forced him to shoot from far out. This was a very predictable outcome.

[will2survive]

If it's so one sided, he shouldn't have requested the fight. People will have no respect for him now.

[LayingThe$Down]

I was surprised he didn't push for the win in the 3rd. he knew he needed the stoppage, but never seemed to be going for it. As a main event, I wonder why Hamill slipped into a low gear when he should have put the pedal to the metal and went all out for a big finish in the 3rd when it was his only chance at victory?

I, too, thought he should have went for broke. He almost seemed resigned to losing. Kinda disapointing when guys accept losing like that. At least that's what is looked like to me.

[Ladle]

I was surprised he didn't push for the win in the 3rd. he knew he needed the stoppage, but never seemed to be going for it. As a main event, I wonder why Hamill slipped into a low gear when he should have put the pedal to the metal and went all out for a big finish in the 3rd when it was his only chance at victory?

I, too, thought he should have went for broke. He almost seemed resigned to losing. Kinda disapointing when guys accept losing like that. At least that's what is looked like to me.

He was resigned to losing because he was facing somebody who was considerably quicker and a vastly superior boxing. If he had pushed forward, he would have probably been countered and finished. Can't really blame the guy.

[Cap dat 4ss]

I thought that he was a good fighter (he can wrestle). In order to win, you have to take chances. He shouldn't get payed. What a disgrace. To even throw a penny on this guy, I must have been a jackass. If I'm going to lose, I'll reload but for god's sakes, take a chance. This is the UFC. I'll never respect this guy again. People pay money to watch and see him fight. Christ, I would've let Dana White pay me and launched at Rampage more than Hamill. Of course, I would've gotten my ass kicked but have some fukkin guts

Two of the UFC's most successful fighters take almost zero risks (GSP/Fitch). They play the fights safe and maximize their advantage while minimizing their opponents strengths. So you really don't have to take risks to win. In fact, the opposite is likely more true. What I thought is that Hamill fought to not get KO'd. He attempted some take downs but they were at the level of Sotiropolous. Rampage just shook them off. And he was getting stung with shots by Rampage. Guy was really just trying to survive. He's not near top talent and should not be given a top opponent for a while.

[will2survive]

you fight to win. Sometimes freak things can happen. Never give up on yourself. Hamill gave up after the first couple of minutes

[Cap dat 4ss]

you fight to win. Sometimes freak things can happen. Never give up on yourself. Hamill gave up after the first couple of minutes

Now this we agree on

[SportsPedagogy]

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[Poppa Catfish]

He was resigned to losing because he was facing somebody who was considerably quicker and a vastly superior boxing. If he had pushed forward, he would have probably been countered and finished. Can't really blame the guy.

This.

This thread is like calling a guy a coward because he won't put his hand into a buzzsaw.

[JoshB]

quit bitching

you bet on him to win this fight cause he was able to take tito ortiz down at will

[Vaughany]

you fight to win. Sometimes freak things can happen. Never give up on yourself. Hamill gave up after the first couple of minutes

Maybe he just had the "will to survive"!!

[LayingThe$Down]

I'm not hating on Matt. All I am sayig is this: between backing off and accepting a loss in the 3rd.......or going all out for the most important victory in my career and risking a stoppage loss going for the hail mary.........I would go out on my shield.

A loss to Rampage by decision and a loss to Rampage by stoppage are both losses. The same thing. The only difference is how I lost, and how much the fans want to see my next fight.

It's Hamill's career, and his choice. I respect that, it's just hard to understand why he chose that way to lose and not the other. I hope I am clear, I have no idea why some of you are interpreting some of this thread as bashing. We are discussing tactics and why some guys don't go all out for the victory when behind.

"calling the guy a coward" is inappropriate interpretation imo.

[Varker]

Can't believe i'm saying this but obviously getting knocked out is not good for your fighting career or health. hammil wasn't going to win regardless of what he did as he was outmatched, he actually made the right move by not going for broke and getting knocked out.

[Ladle]

I'm not hating on Matt. All I am sayig is this: between backing off and accepting a loss in the 3rd.......or going all out for the most important victory in my career and risking a stoppage loss going for the hail mary.........I would go out on my shield.

A loss to Rampage by decision and a loss to Rampage by stoppage are both losses. The same thing. The only difference is how I lost, and how much the fans want to see my next fight.

It's Hamill's career, and his choice. I respect that, it's just hard to understand why he chose that way to lose and not the other. I hope I am clear, I have no idea why some of you are interpreting some of this thread as bashing. We are discussing tactics and why some guys don't go all out for the victory when behind.

"calling the guy a coward" is inappropriate interpretation imo.

Maybe he realised that he had almost zero chance of finishing Quinton at the end of the third round. Maybe he realised that losing by knockout would have lowered his stock more than losing by decision. Maybe he realised that getting knocked out could hinder the longevity of his career.

I think his actions were justified. I would have done the same thing if I was him.

[Poppa Catfish]

Maybe he realised that he had almost zero chance of finishing Quinton at the end of the third round. Maybe he realised that losing by knockout would have lowered his stock more than losing by decision. Maybe he realised that getting knocked out could hinder the longevity of his career.

I think his actions were justified. I would have done the same thing if I was him.

LOL

maybe he is in a fight and not properly weighing his actions, maybe he is just trying to survive out there.

Not everybody is one of these 300, I go out on my shield kind of fighters, in fact those are rather rare.

I too would have done the same

[Ladle]

maybe he is in a fight and not properly weighing his actions, maybe he is just trying to survive out there.

Yeah, I think that's the most likely case! So let's not lambaste the guy.

[stefan084]

if he lays it all out at least he has a chance. it may be a small one but it's better than no chance. if you accept a fight then fight--out classed or not

[Nomocino]

When does the movie about Hamill come out looks like they will have to re write the end

[rocky mattioli]

i think the guy just miscalculated how his style matched up with rampage...and how effective rampage`s takedown defense is....that was the plan..take rampage down....

after doing pretty well at 185,he got ragdolled against jon jones(who doesn`t?) and caught a couple of relatively shot fighters in the vastly overrated keith jardine and a totally shot tito ortiz.....

i think maybe the ortiz fight may have fooled some folks..i think it actually fooled hamill.....all i can say about that is,if you don`t like laying big odds,start looking at parlay partners for ryan bader....ortiz is NOT BEATING HIM....

i don`t recall(with the exception of a takedown or two vs ortiz) hamill`s wrestling really translating in a dominating fashion to the mma game...he`s sort of morphed into a stand-up fighter...he doesn`t seem flexible enough to shoot effectively.....

if he stays at 205,dana will have to match him very carefully to get some value out of him...

and rampage?...he didn`t exactly cover himself in glory...he`s basically a counter puncher now....if the hand was injured,i guess that mitigates his lackluster performance...

but short of a lottery ticket left hook,jon jones will embarrass him much like he embarrassed rua...

[v1y]

Two of the UFC's most successful fighters take almost zero risks (GSP/Fitch). They play the fights safe and maximize their advantage while minimizing their opponents strengths. So you really don't have to take risks to win. In fact, the opposite is likely more true. What I thought is that Hamill fought to not get KO'd. He attempted some take downs but they were at the level of Sotiropolous. Rampage just shook them off. And he was getting stung with shots by Rampage. Guy was really just trying to survive. He's not near top talent and should not be given a top opponent for a while.

The point is though, when you're losing, you have to take chances to win, otherwise by doing the same thing you're just going to lose a decision.

[Vaughany]

i think the guy just miscalculated how his style matched up with rampage...and how effective rampage`s takedown defense is....that was the plan..take rampage down....

after doing pretty well at 185,he got ragdolled against jon jones(who doesn`t?) and caught a couple of relatively shot fighters in the vastly overrated keith jardine and a totally shot tito ortiz.....

i think maybe the ortiz fight may have fooled some folks..i think it actually fooled hamill.....all i can say about that is,if you don`t like laying big odds,start looking at parlay partners for ryan bader....ortiz is NOT BEATING HIM....

Yeah Bader is nice parlay material even at the steep odds, he's a slightly better version of Hamill IMO and we saw how easily he beat Tito. I've already got him in one parlay with Andre Ward (already won) and Carwin beating Einemo was part of it so now just Ward and Bader. Will probably do a Stephens, Jorgensen & Bader parlay as well.

[rocky mattioli]

Yeah Bader is nice parlay material even at the steep odds, he's a slightly better version of Hamill IMO and we saw how easily he beat Tito. I've already got him in one parlay with Andre Ward (already won) and Carwin beating Einemo was part of it so now just Ward and Bader. Will probably do a Stephens, Jorgensen & Bader parlay as well.

definitely...i have bader in a couple with ward.....and i have him hooked up with saul alvarez(boxing) and the over 9.5 in froch/glen johnson.....i expect this to go rounds...froch should get it done,but over 9.5 should be money short of a head butt...laying 1 unit to get back a bit over 3/4(of course it can be adjusted upwards)....

well done last night...the last couple ufc`s have been golden...