penn vs. sherk

[shady610]

SO this is a mega fight i look forward too. i love the high level of talent and the actual real life fued. I think sean takes it though.. he is too strong and wont give sean enough credit and over look his BJJ and underestiamte him..

However, you will see me praising BJ a lot on this forum and Sherdog. Just so I can drive the lines up so i can get the max amount out of Sherk


whos with me?

[The Seer]

I think it is a good match up for BJ angainst Sherk

[slacker00]

I always dismiss Sherk, but he has a huge heart, solid core and no quit in him. Still, Penn has to be a decent favorite.

[Thor4140]

its simple. BJ wins in round two and anything after that Shirk wins. I know BJ is training much hard these days but after his fight with Stevenson he once again looked exhausted. I am a firm believer that some guys no matter what they do just don't have the cardio as others. Kinda like speed. Some guys can run a 4 4 forty and others could never get near it no matter how hard they paractice. I still think BJ gets this done in round 1 or two. He better hope he does cause his gas tank wont go five. One thing about Shirk is after that Hermie fight you have to respect his beard. He took some tremendous knees to the chin and still fought on.

[goldengoat]

as much as i like bj, sherk has a good chance against him
1) he has the better gas tank
2) he has a lot of motivation coming off the steroid fiasco and the bad remarks form bj (deserved remarks)

i will be very interested in sherks first couple of takedown attempts on bj. i would expect bj to stuff a lot of the early takedowns but will he wear down later in the fight? sherk keeps a high pace and i don't think sherk is easily submitted although bj might be able to get a choke.

fight should be close to even money in my opinion

[slacker00]

Sherk backers are putting too much faith in his "wrestling" skills. Sherk has a lot of strength, cardio, heart, desire, etc. Sherk does lack size, which has always crippled his standup game. Plus, Penn is a BJJ master, so on the ground Sherk isn't a favorite either. Add to this that Penn has ability to knock out and submit Sherk at any time. Sherk just doesn't have the knockout, submission potentional. Sherk almost needs the fight to go to a decision to win, and even then it's a coinflip. Gotta like BJ Penn even laying as much as 2 to 1.

As far as the BJ Penn fight against Stevenson, Stevenson is no joke. I'd actually like to see Stevenson & Sherk, I think Stevenson would be a 3 to 2 favorite in that fight.

Don't get me wrong, I love Sherk, but his game and psysique just isn't built for the cage. Unless Sherk has really honed his BJJ and/or Penn completely gets lazy, Penn should be able to win this fight.

[Saunders FTW]

Sherk is just too strong for penn. All the wrestlers in the UFC have to do is lay on their opponent for 3 or 5 rounds, almost every wrestler does it, thats why wrestlers should DIE in the ufc, they are incredibly boring to watch

[slacker00]

Sherk is just too strong for penn. All the wrestlers in the UFC have to do is lay on their opponent for 3 or 5 rounds, almost every wrestler does it, thats why wrestlers should DIE in the ufc, they are incredibly boring to watch

I've seen Sherk get his face caved in by GSP. I saw Matt Hughes completely take Sherk apart. Sure, Sherk was in the wrong weight class, but just because he's strong doesn't mean he can dodge every punch and escape every bad postion. A better fighter will make him hurt. BJ Penn is a better fighter.

[Saunders FTW]

I've seen Sherk get his face caved in by GSP. I saw Matt Hughes completely take Sherk apart. Sure, Sherk was in the wrong weight class, but just because he's strong doesn't mean he can dodge every punch and escape every bad postion. A better fighter will make him hurt. BJ Penn is a better fighter.

Penn is most likely the better fighter, but i dont see anyone taking down Sherk in 155. 170, it has been done, but 155? I dont think so. Sherk is just too powerful for anyone in the 155 weight division. Hermes Franca caught sherk with 2 perfect punches and a perfect knee, sherk walked through those.

[slacker00]

Franca doesn't strike fear into many fighters.

I'm not really sure who is any good in the 155 class. Pulver didn't seem that great. Florian seems ok, but doesn't have much power. Still he took Sherk the distance in UFC 64, he just didn't show enough to get many points on the score card. Everyone in this class just seems so emaciated. It's a good division for Sherk.

Penn was great at 170, but I've never seen him at 155. Maybe it'll be too much of a jump for him when fighting Sherk. Something to consider.

[ukgaz]

I think 155 is where Penn belongs. He is perfect for this weight. When he is shape I believe he walks around at 168. Sherk is hard to knock out though BJ has great hands. Sherk's gameplan I imagine is to win rounds 3, 4 and 5 and just stay out of trouble in the first 2 and wear penn down. I don't think he will though

[Saunders FTW]

Franca doesn't strike fear into many fighters.

I'm not really sure who is any good in the 155 class. Pulver didn't seem that great. Florian seems ok, but doesn't have much power. Still he took Sherk the distance in UFC 64, he just didn't show enough to get many points on the score card. Everyone in this class just seems so emaciated. It's a good division for Sherk.

Penn was great at 170, but I've never seen him at 155. Maybe it'll be too much of a jump for him when fighting Sherk. Something to consider.

Yea, I agree, we havnt really seen bj at 155 with the exception of a couple fights, against pulver who i dont think can fight anymore and joe stevenson who is "meh". It will be very interesting to see what bj's gameplan is against sherk. When Sherk fought franca in july, before being suspended, Rogan stated that Sherk is on another level compared to the other 155 lb fighters

[slacker00]

Penn started his career at 155, and the majority of his fights were fought at 155. He's had several title fights at 155 & 170. He certainly is suited for another 155 title fight.

Rogan sometimes gets over dramatic when talking about MMA. Rogan does know his stuff, but he can go overboard with his analysis. Sherk definitely is top shelf at 155, but saying he's on another level is way overboard. Sometimes I think Rogan sometimes says stuff like this to create a little more hype or drama or whatever, I mean part of his job is to promote the UFC and he does a good job.

The fight that sticks in my mind for BJ Penn is his title fight against Hughes at 170 in UFC 46. I just watched the fight again last night, and Hughes looks huge in that fight. But Penn has such crisp BJJ and Judo technique that the size factor was negligible. I see the Sherk-Penn fight the same way. Sherk certainly has size, but not as much as Hughes. When it comes to technique, Penn is on another level than Sherk, and I'm not exaggerating.

[The Seer]

Rogan sometimes gets over dramatic when talking about MMA. Rogan does know his stuff, but he can go overboard with his analysis. Sherk definitely is top shelf at 155, but saying he's on another level is way overboard. Sometimes I think Rogan sometimes says stuff like this to create a little more hype or drama or whatever, I mean part of his job is to promote the UFC and he does a good job.

Speaking of Rogan, I hate that bastard. He is loud and obnoxious. He will say "top of the food chain" or "retard strength" and cheerleads throughout the fight. He is no BAs Rutten. Bas will say x fighter needs to counter y fighter by doing this or that and explains techniques, situations. Bas is level headed and is neutral. Rogan sucks alot of guys dicks on there and offers no technical commentation.

[Thor4140]

Speaking of Rogan, I hate that bastard. He is loud and obnoxious. He will say "top of the food chain" or "retard strength" and cheerleads throughout the fight. He is no BAs Rutten. Bas will say x fighter needs to counter y fighter by doing this or that and explains techniques, situations. Bas is level headed and is neutral. Rogan sucks alot of guys dicks on there and offers no technical commentation.

i completely disagree with this Seer. I think he does an excellent job and when he is away its almost unbearable to listen to anyone else. Jeff Blatnick (sp) is so boring to listen to its painful. Im a Rogan fan and couldn't stand him on Fear factor. Kinda like Roy Jones Jr. I just couldn't stand this asshole but i will call a spade a spade and thought he was terrific when he did color for HBO.

[Thor4140]

All this domination talk about Shirk you think there is no way he can lose. Me i think its a tough fight to bet. He will try to wear BJ out and its possible he will but i wouldn't be surprised if BJ catches Shirk with a knee and end it. Franca was lighting shirk up with knees and if it wasn't for Shirks excellent beard he would have been knocked out. I think BJ's knees are on a whole different level. The one he laid on Din Thomas almost took Thomas head off. No way i can bet this fight. If it gets to round three BJ is finished.

[slacker00]

I like Rogan, but yeah he is freakin' irritating. He's to the UFC what Bob Costas is to MLB. He's a cheerleader and that's about it. He can still be entertaining, though. He's plenty more eloquent than any of those other turkeys. Rogan is at his best when he can hand off the analysis to someone who has actually stepped inside the cage, acting as a play by play announcer or mediator. Rogan can also conduct decent interviews. Otherwise Rogan can really grate on me.

[Thor4140]

I like Rogan, but yeah he is freakin' irritating. He's to the UFC what Bob Costas is to MLB. He's a cheerleader and that's about it. He can still be entertaining, though. He's plenty more eloquent than any of those other turkeys. Rogan is at his best when he can hand off the analysis to someone who has actually stepped inside the cage, acting as a play by play announcer or mediator. Rogan can also conduct decent interviews. Otherwise Rogan can really grate on me.

Cmon Slacker Rogan knows his shit about mma. to say he is just a cheer leader is down right wrong. Maybe a couple years ago but not now.

[slacker00]

Cmon Slacker Rogan knows his shit about mma. to say he is just a cheer leader is down right wrong. Maybe a couple years ago but not now.

Joe Rogan does know his stuff about MMA. Just like John Madden knows his stuff about NFL football. But Madden is still more of a cheerleader than analyst. If Madden really did still have supreme mastery of the X's and O's, he have been working within some organization somewhere all these years, but he's really more of an entertainer. Same with Rogan.

Rogan's talent is more of an entertainer and less as a strategist or anything of that nature. Sure, Rogan can spot the various submission moves as they unfold during a match, but often he goes into rants about how great fighter X or fighter Y is. It's always overboard. It's the same as how Madden is always swooning over player X or player Y. If these guys were true analysts, they'd remark about how player X made a great play or used a great strategy and leave it at that, they wouldn't go into detail about generalizations about that player/fighter. I don't want to hear about how this guy had more heart or courage or just wanted to win, etc. Leave that to the imagination of the audience.

But these guys are promoting the sport by creating an icon or hero, which appeals to the simple mindedness of television viewers, same as watching a commercial for the sport. I guess I'm not really critisizing Rogan as much as I'm criticising this particular broadcasting standard. It's the same standard that creates cliches, sound bytes, rumors and other nonsense. Don't sugar-coat my MMA any more than you'd sugar coat my steak, veggies and glass of water. This marshmallow fluff just makes me sick.

[slacker00]

Pinny has the line up: Sherk +191, BJ Penn -211.

This sucks. That is exactly where I would have put this line. This is a no-play for me.

[The Kimura]

BJ will own sherk,believe me.This guy is honestly one of the best ever. Sherk will be submitted by 2nd round.Only way sherk wins this is by a boring decision...no way he submits or KO's BJ.

[Saunders FTW]

Speaking of Rogan, I hate that bastard. He is loud and obnoxious. He will say "top of the food chain" or "retard strength" and cheerleads throughout the fight. He is no BAs Rutten. Bas will say x fighter needs to counter y fighter by doing this or that and explains techniques, situations. Bas is level headed and is neutral. Rogan sucks alot of guys dicks on there and offers no technical commentation.

and... is stand up comedy is weak

[Saunders FTW]

bas rutten is the ****ing man

[yanksrule80]

I think sherk has a 40% chance of winning and in UFC anything can happen and with these odds I have no choice but to go with Sherk. The last time I rember him fighting he put on a clinic with Hermes.

[slacker00]

I think sherk has a 40% chance of winning and in UFC anything can happen and with these odds I have no choice but to go with Sherk. The last time I rember him fighting he put on a clinic with Hermes.

Penn isn't Franca. Not even close.

[Saunders FTW]

Pinny has the line up: Sherk +191, BJ Penn -211.

This sucks. That is exactly where I would have put this line. This is a no-play for me.

GO WITH SHERK, GIVE IN, PUT IT ALL ON SHERK!

[slacker00]

GO WITH SHERK, GIVE IN, PUT IT ALL ON SHERK!

If I had a gun to my head, I'd go with Penn.

Penn is just a better fighter all around.

If this was a wrestling match, instead, Sherk is the easy pick.

If this was a boxing, BJJ, Mui Tai, kickboxing, or Judo match Penn is an easy pick.

Everything is pointing at Penn being an easy play. Sherk has very few outs. Maybe I'll come around by the time this match actually happens.

[Saunders FTW]

we will see slacker

[Saunders FTW]

i really cant believe sherk is the dog here, but then i can believe it