Yushin Okami is +180 against Nate the Great

**Vaughany** · 11-07-10, 04:00 AM

I capped Okami at +150 so I think there is value in Okami in +180. However, as I dont see either fighter finishing the other (especially dont see Okami finishing Marquadt), the the play for me will be for the fight to go to decision which is the safest option IMO.

**Shane** · 11-07-10, 12:56 PM

Agreed. This probably goes to the cards, and I like Okami to grind it out.

**jin2daj** · 11-07-10, 03:43 PM

im on okami too. i think okamis pressure will be too much.

**Poppa Catfish** · 11-07-10, 06:05 PM

Fight going to decision and Okami by decision are great bets

**urge2kill** · 11-07-10, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by Poppa Catfish

Fight going to decision and Okami by decision are great bets

Are there odds out for either of these?

**Vaughany** · 11-07-10, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by urge2kill

Are there odds out for either of these?

Dont think so although Im not with 5 dimes.

**shady610** · 11-07-10, 06:36 PM

i like these odds, but its hard to bet agasint nate too. At these odds i like my chances. but i will parlay this and go for a greedy score

**The HOFF** · 11-07-10, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

I dont see either fighter finishing the other (especially dont see Okami finishing Marquadt), the the play for me will be for the fight to go to decision which is the safest option IMO.

Agree here. Okami does not have that killer instinct and will not finish Marquardt. But I think he can hang for three rounds and it should go to the cards.

**Tree Rollins** · 11-07-10, 08:32 PM

Okami is training with Sonnen, right?

**JuicedUp** · 11-08-10, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by Tree Rollins

Okami is training with Sonnen, right?

yea he's been training with team quest.

**sundin4prez** · 11-08-10, 06:09 AM

okami for the win...... i have never been impressed with nate and i think okami will be able to control his range with that newly found jab and i think if nates attemps to take it to the ground okami will be able to prevent it with his stellar take down defense

**Vrakas** · 11-08-10, 07:28 AM

i still thing that nate has a much better chance of winning.

**sideloaded** · 11-08-10, 10:22 AM

Okami is the only bet here.

**omalley21** · 11-08-10, 11:24 PM

I agree okami by decision.

**Fiasco01** · 11-10-10, 10:38 AM

+268 For Okami by decision and +110 Nate by decision.

-245 for distance.

**sirchadwick1** · 11-10-10, 10:43 AM

+268 - Okami by DEC looks nice!

I actually just bet on Okami at +200 and feel pretty good about it.
He's got a lot going for him here... size, wrestling, new jab, chin, etc.
Good value bet.

**Vaughany** · 11-10-10, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by sirchadwick1

+268 - Okami by DEC looks nice!

I actually just bet on Okami at +200 and feel pretty good about it.
He's got a lot going for him here... size, wrestling, new jab, chin, etc.
Good value bet.

Yee Okami by decision is +275 on paddypower at the mo and Marquadt by decision +200. Im taking the -137.5 odds for the fight to go to decision tho...good value in comparison to the -245 that Fiasco quoted above...what book is that on, 5dimes???

**doubleleg** · 11-10-10, 02:52 PM

I see Nate as the favourite here but +180 is a bit high. Could be worth a go.

**RaiderNation MMA** · 11-10-10, 03:13 PM

extremly close fight, but i pick okami

**southmadejd** · 11-10-10, 03:24 PM

I feel like the books are trying to sucker us in with putting Okami out there at +180 but I love the bet and am going to take it. Call me a square if you want to.

**Poppa Catfish** · 11-10-10, 03:46 PM

I guess the books were suckering us with Cain at +140 as well, either that or they don't have a good handle on MMA quite yet

**southmadejd** · 11-10-10, 03:50 PM

Yeah, but most of us knew Cain was going to win that fight. I just really like that Okami is training with Sonnen and Lindland now so I am hoping he just gets Nate down each round and grounds out an easy decision.

**Kaladarus** · 11-10-10, 07:53 PM

Sonnen's wrestling is levels above Okami's takedowns. We also have to consider that Sonnen could have potentially been on roids during the Marquardt fight. Before the fight they had said they had trained together. Both Sonnen and Marquardt had said in interviews that Sonnen was unable to take Marquardt down in that training. Some time went by after that and before the fight, but the way Marquardt was taken down was some what surprising. I like Marquardt's chances in this one, but the line isn't too appealing for me. Also I'm not sure how Marquardt will win this fight. He could beat Okami many different ways. Okami is much more likely to just win by decision if he wins. I still haven't decided what my play will be, but it will like be a small straight bet on Marquardt if the line gets a little better.

**bogbat** · 11-10-10, 09:13 PM

You shouldn't take roids into consideration when handicapping. Only a fraction of fighters that do roids get caught. It's very easy to cycle on and off undetected if you know when you will be tested. Besides, Nate has pissed dirty before too..

**Kaladarus** · 11-11-10, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by bogbat

You shouldn't take roids into consideration when handicapping. Only a fraction of fighters that do roids get caught. It's very easy to cycle on and off undetected if you know when you will be tested. Besides, Nate has pissed dirty before too..

Everything is a factor when handicapping and nothing should be overlooked. Steroids make a huge difference. If I was 100% reliable, you completely trusted me and I knew for a fact Marquardt was using roids this fight that wouldn't completely change your whole outlook on the fight from a handicapping perspective? I know it's easy to take roids and not get caught, but Sonnen was caught. It's likely he wasn't a first time offender since Marquardt had trained with him before and had no problem stuffing his takedowns. Okami so far has looked completely clean. I don't see how any handicapper can overlook such an important aspect of the game.

**Boddhissatva** · 11-13-10, 01:11 AM

Two units on Okami...got him at +175

**Vaughany** · 11-13-10, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by Boddhissatva

Two units on Okami...got him at +175

He's like +190 on 5 dimes, and +197 on pinnacle, surely you could of got better odds than +175!?

**Poppa Catfish** · 11-13-10, 04:31 AM

Got Okami in a parlay and by decision, SOUND UP THE GUNS!!!!!!!

**Vaughany** · 11-13-10, 04:35 AM

I like Matt Lindland's review of the fight!....
"This is going to be a long, painful evening for Mr. Marquardt. I pick Okami to win this fight by decision; it might even be another split decision, like the last fight he dominated, if the judges try and swindle another decision. Yushin is bigger, stronger and faster. Yes, Nathan is great, he hits hard and knocks guys out, but it’s hard to knock guys out when you are laying on your back with a big, strong Takeshi dropping elbows on your head."

**Foals** · 11-13-10, 05:08 AM

Okami by decision looks great

**bogbat** · 11-13-10, 05:50 AM

I hear people everywhere bitching about this card but I'm really excited to see this fight.

**Vaughany** · 11-13-10, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by bogbat

I hear people everywhere bitching about this card but I'm really excited to see this fight.

Those people are the same retarded people who think that a Shark Fights card with Prangley vs Jardine is a good card yet moan when UFC has a card like this just because it's the UFC! If this card was under any other promotion like Strikeforce and Bellator everybody would be sayin how awesome it is!

**Poppa Catfish** · 11-13-10, 11:39 AM

Or if say they added a 3 hour intermission, opening ceremony/musical, fireworks and elaborate walk ins it would make the card so much better

**RollPlayer** · 11-13-10, 11:55 AM

There are going to be a ton of good fights on this card, there just isn't much star power. Siver/Winner, Reljic/Krystof, Sakara/Rivera should all be good fights, they just aren't for the casual fan