UFC 124: GSP vs Koscheck 2 to be held in MONTREAL

urge2kill · 12-07-10, 07:30 PM

I just checked 5dimes and Kos inside the distance is +769 right now.

MadTiger · 12-07-10, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by urge2kill

If I were going to play Kos I'd play him to win inside the distance. I don't think he has much of a chance to win a decision over GSP.

I agree totally. If it goes the distance, then that would tend to indicate GSP accomplished what HE wanted.

The HOFF · 12-07-10, 11:05 PM

Vaughany · 12-08-10, 04:28 AM

I dont see Kos winning by any other way than TKO/KO so took him at +900.

THE_LOCKSMITH · 12-08-10, 08:51 AM

yea i'm gonna take a play on Kos by KO too

sideloaded · 12-08-10, 10:01 AM

Am I crazy but for some reason I think the potential for GSP to get injured in this fight higher then what most capers are predicting? Hardy did not grapple at all with GSP and Alves managed to cause GSP to hurt his hamstring grappling. If Koscheck comes in with the right game plan couldn't he grapple the hell out of GSP and test his body? GSP looks in great shape but also I think he is a tad fragile.

Poppa Catfish · 12-08-10, 10:16 AM

1) Fighters are always hurt
2) Koscheck doesn't game plan
3) grapple the hell out of him? ha!

sideloaded · 12-08-10, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Poppa Catfish

1) Fighters are always hurt
2) Koscheck doesn't game plan
3) grapple the hell out of him? ha!

Anything you say is void now after what you stated in "fact" number 2. Please watch Koscheck vs Daley. I know Everyone hates Koscheck and you can tell it's blinding them from the facts.

Vaughany · 12-08-10, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

Anything you say is void now after what you stated in "fact" number 2. Please watch Koscheck vs Daley. I know Everyone hates Koscheck and you can tell it's blinding them from the facts.

You may be right, some people probably are dismissing Kos because he is perceived as being a total douchebag! However, there are also facts such as it wasnt that long ago that Kos got TKO'd/KO'd by P.Thiago. Koscheck no doubt has some power, however that doesnt mean that his standup is as good as it's being made out to be. For me, TKO'ing and KO'ing the likes of Hazelett, Yoshida and Trigg is not that impressive. Kos's standup is rather predictable IMO, he lacks the footwork and head movement to really trouble GSP. Of course, that doesnt mean he still cant land the lucky punch, I think he has just as much chance of landing it as Dan Hardy did who's stand up is also overrated.

Poppa Catfish · 12-08-10, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

Anything you say is void now after what you stated in "fact" number 2. Please watch Koscheck vs Daley. I know Everyone hates Koscheck and you can tell it's blinding them from the facts.

I don't hate Kos. He isn't that bad of a guy actually, just a little bit arrogant. and yes, I do know for a fact that the man doesn't game plan.

Taking Daley down doesn't support him having a game plan, its just what everybody does to Paul Daley, providing they have the tools to do so.

Poppa Catfish · 12-08-10, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

You may be right, some people probably are dismissing Kos because he is perceived as being a total douchebag! However, there are also facts such as it wasnt that long ago that Kos got TKO'd/KO'd by P.Thiago. Koscheck no doubt has some power, however that doesnt mean that his standup is as good as it's being made out to be. For me, TKO'ing and KO'ing the likes of Hazelett, Yoshida and Trigg is not that impressive. Kos's standup is rather predictable IMO, he lacks the footwork and head movement to really trouble GSP. Of course, that doesnt mean he still cant land the lucky punch, I think he has just as much chance of landing it as Dan Hardy did who's stand up is also overrated.

Or maybe people are dismissing Kos because we have seen these two fight before, and the gap was huge enough for us to believe that Josh hasn't grown anywhere near enough in the areas that he needs to to make this a close enough fight to take a chance with those odds.

Totally agree with you though KOing Yoshida, Trigg et al just isn't that impressive. Josh really needs to work a lot more with his coaches and a lot less slugging away at the heavy bag. His footwork is awful

sideloaded · 12-08-10, 12:17 PM

I accept that GSP is better standing up and on the ground technically. But the gap isn't that big compared to Koscheck's skills, throw in Koscheck's athletic ability and I believe this fight is rather close. GSP -300 seems more like it, then -500 which is where he will be come fight night.

lasker · 12-08-10, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Poppa Catfish

I don't hate Kos. He isn't that bad of a guy actually, just a little bit arrogant. and yes, I do know for a fact that the man doesn't game plan. Taking Daley down doesn't support him having a game plan, its just what everybody does to Paul Daley, providing they have the tools to do so.

the post-fight interviews Kos gave regarding that fight went something like this (paraphrasing, of course, but these vids are all on youtube): "from the beginning of my training camp for Daley my coaches were on me all the time screaming 'game plan, game plan, game plan!'" It would have been nice to fight a more exciting fight and I'm not too pleased with my performance, but I needed this win to get the title shot so I had to follow the game plan and that's what I did."

He repeatedly mentions his game plan when discussing that fight. It seems almost impossible to me that someone fighting out of AKA wouldn't have a well-thought out gameplan for a title fight with GSP.

rocky mattioli · 12-08-10, 03:29 PM

i`m still shaking my head over gsp taking koscheck down so easily in the first fight...i think it shocked koscheck....totally took him by surprise that gsp was even attempting to take him down...

gsp is a powerful grappler...but after already having that fight under their belts,is gsp actually the better wrestler?...i don`t think guys like koscheck actually expect ANYBODY to try and shoot and take them down...

koscheck trains with fitch....and from what i`ve read,fitch really wants no part of koscheck(don`t get me wrong,i`m a fitch admirer..it`s just what i`ve read)

after being in there with gsp....and seeing the takedowns....anybody think that koscheck is gonna try and prove he`s the better wrestler?....he`s basically evolved into a striker who uses his wrestling as plan b.....at least of late....he seldom goes for takedowns right out of the box...this cost him vs thiago...

wouldn`t shock me a bit...imo,even though koscheck is now a very good striker with power,he is very vulnerable on his feet...his defense is lacking...

Eccocide · 12-08-10, 05:14 PM

Some more Free MMA. I'd rather see Grant/Almeida than Miller/Doerksen but I'll take it.

In lieu of a Spike TV prelims special, Dan Miller vs. Joe Doerksen, and Mark Bocek vs. Dustin Hazelett from the UFC 124 preliminary card will be broadcast live on UFC.com for free according to the UFC's official twitter feed:

No prelims on Spike Saturday, so we're giving you an hour of live prelims free at 9/6 on UFC.com/Live - Hazelett/Bocek and Miller/Doerksen

Vaughany · 12-08-10, 05:47 PM

Yee I'd of thought Grant/Almeida would of made more sense, but still gettin to see Bocek/Hazelett is very good.

Poppa Catfish · 12-08-10, 11:36 PM

Win or lose I love to see McLovin' fight

lasker · 12-09-10, 09:37 AM

yeah i think Bocek/Hazelett will be an awesome fight

Glitch · 12-09-10, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by sideloaded

Anything you say is void now after what you stated in "fact" number 2. Please watch Koscheck vs Daley. I know Everyone hates Koscheck and you can tell it's blinding them from the facts.

kos gameplans plenty....did you watch him coach TUF? how could he even be telling his guys stragegy if he didnt use it or understand it himself?

hes a smart fighter and all hes talkin about nowadays is how hes grown as a fighter and his mistakes. and even if he is not a game planner, he's gotten a chance through the show (at least) to get inside gsps head a bit and learn how he operates. plus hes already fought him.

THE_LOCKSMITH · 12-09-10, 04:35 PM

Koscheck striking has looked best against fighters whose standup is weak like Hazelett/Yoshida/Trigg. When someone threatened him on the feet he was always quick for the take down Alves/Johnson/Daley. Alves was able to stuff the takedowns mostly and beat him up on the feet while guys like Daley/Johnson did not

Varker · 12-09-10, 04:55 PM

koscheck winds up his punches. I seriously doubt GSP is gonna get hit by wild haymakers and hooks. Koscheck isn't a good enough striker to set anything up on GSP. He's gonna get outstruck on the feet and probably overall owned.

Vrakas · 12-09-10, 06:53 PM

Koscheck can only win if he strikes with gsp.both fighters will be nervous but gsp should find a way to take the fight to the ground.

rocky mattioli · 12-09-10, 10:42 PM

i don`t get the mccorkle love...the guy`s fought absolute stiffs...

some of the guys he fought could barely walk(385/340)....slovenly,borscht belt bums....

i`ll be on struve....

Eccocide · 12-09-10, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by rocky mattioli

i don`t get the mccorkle love...the guy has fought absolute stiffs...

some of the guys he fought could barely walk(385/340)....slovenly,borscht belt bums....

i`ll be on struve....

Poppa Catfish · 12-10-10, 12:17 AM

Add me as well to the Struve list, I just don't get it either

Vaughany · 12-10-10, 03:16 AM

Struve should win no doubt and is rightl the favourite, however I just cant bring myself to bet on a fighter like him that leaves his chin so exposed and lacks the footwork to get away from any untechnical haymakers or bullish takedown attempts!

Poppa Catfish · 12-10-10, 04:29 AM

Thank god that chin is sitting unprotected high up amongst the clouds

Vaughany · 12-10-10, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by Poppa Catfish

Thank god that chin is sitting unprotected high up amongst the clouds

ha only has a few inches on McCorkle tho!

Poppa Catfish · 12-10-10, 04:36 AM

Four inches is only a few? :/

Vaughany · 12-10-10, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by Poppa Catfish

Four inches is only a few? :/

Well, in comparison to Buentello and Stojnic!

Poppa Catfish · 12-10-10, 04:47 AM

I know and the hilarious thing is Paul is a pretty tall 6'3 and he still looked puny in comparison. I haven't a clue where they go to find a training partner to simulate Struve. I just don't know, maybe give George Mursan a call?

Poppa Catfish · 12-10-10, 04:48 AM

Seriously though if Struve was 6'2 he would have a whole big old mess of problems, though something tells me his style would have changed slightly given the height change (and the brutal knockouts)

jin2daj · 12-10-10, 05:25 AM

gsp has mentioned he plans to move to middleweight soon in an interview with joe rogan. WAR gsp.

Vaughany · 12-10-10, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by jin2daj

gsp has mentioned he plans to move to middleweight soon in an interview with joe rogan. WAR gsp.

You can sort of tell that he plans to do that from the countdown show were he says 'Im looking forward to beating Koscheck and moving on to the next chapter" with a grin on his face! GSP vs Anderson Silva in Toronto is a good possiblity I reckon.

vassman86 · 12-10-10, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

Am I crazy but for some reason I think the potential for GSP to get injured in this fight higher then what most capers are predicting? Hardy did not grapple at all with GSP and Alves managed to cause GSP to hurt his hamstring grappling. If Koscheck comes in with the right game plan couldn't he grapple the hell out of GSP and test his body? GSP looks in great shape but also I think he is a tad fragile.

I don't think predicting for a fighter to get injured during a fight is a good approach to take