who likes bj penn baby

**sundin4prez** · 08-11-10, 10:39 AM

its iffy, yes i think bj will win but i dont think it will be as easy as most expect..... frankie will be able to take bj down and i think frankie will be very active and be moving around which will neutralize the patented bj jab.... bj is going to have a totally different gameplan then the last, but hopefully will come out determined and strong

**Vaughany** · 08-11-10, 10:48 AM

Im feeling a BJ Penn submission in round 4 or 5 OR Edgar by decision. Edgar is one of my favourite fighters so im hoping he wins but will most probly do a straddle of BJ by submission and Edgar by decision.

**lasker** · 08-11-10, 11:01 AM

Not me... Edgar's gonna shock the world a second time!

**Vaughany** · 08-11-10, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by lasker

Not me... Edgar's gonna shock the world a second time!

Hope so!

**36mafia** · 08-11-10, 12:15 PM

theres only one mma fighter on the planet that could take bj down and its not frankie

**sundin4prez** · 08-11-10, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by 36mafia

theres only one mma fighter on the planet that could take bj down and its not frankie

st pierre? hughes?

**Pabinator** · 08-11-10, 12:42 PM

Maybe he ment Brock Lesnar?

**36mafia** · 08-11-10, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by sundin4prez

st pierre? hughes?

st. pierre, and lil frankie is no GSP
edgar didnt win last fight, and hes not gonna win this one either

**36mafia** · 08-11-10, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by Pabinator

Maybe he ment Brock Lesnar?

sorry if i dont reply within a few min. i like to multitask whenever im messin around on the internet

**Vaughany** · 08-11-10, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by 36mafia

st. pierre, and lil frankie is no GSP
edgar didnt win last fight, and hes not gonna win this one either

Pretty sure Edgar took him down in the last fight tho!

**sundin4prez** · 08-11-10, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by 36mafia

st. pierre, and lil frankie is no GSP
edgar didnt win last fight, and hes not gonna win this one either

the fight was close but by no means did bj "win"... they both did the same damage on the feet but franike took bj down which counts for something and frankie controlled the center of the cage.....

**lasker** · 08-11-10, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by 36mafia

st. pierre, and lil frankie is no GSP
edgar didnt win last fight, and hes not gonna win this one either

Edgar clearly won the first fight, IMO. And even as a sizable underdog, I favor him to win again.

**KCJMAC** · 08-11-10, 01:07 PM

In for Penn. For whatever reason he is a guy who seems to need some external motivation. I think getting his belt back is that motivation in this fight.

**36mafia** · 08-11-10, 01:07 PM

i missed the takedown edgar got in the fifth when i was lookin over mmajunkie recap notes
ill give him credit for that. but as far as striking and the rest of the fight it was clearly penn
he threw more strikes and landed more at a better rate.

**36mafia** · 08-11-10, 01:09 PM

Edgar vs. Penn FightMetric Report

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/08/edgar-vs-penn-fightmetric-report.html

UFC 112 - Frankie Edgar vs. BJ Penn

**lasker** · 08-11-10, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by 36mafia

i missed the takedown edgar got in the fifth when i was lookin over mmajunkie recap notes
ill give him credit for that. but as far as striking and the rest of the fight it was clearly penn
he threw more strikes and landed more at a better rate.

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**36mafia** · 08-11-10, 01:13 PM

im not gonna argue that edgar had better "octagon control"
but using that as a judging criteria for a mma fight is like saying Lakers had more time of possession in the finals so they win

**Vaughany** · 08-11-10, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by lasker

http://www.compustrike.com/stats_fil...Penn-Edgar.HTM

ha was just about to post this! Proves you cant take fightmetric and computstrike as verbatim...still subjective and all about perception!

**36mafia** · 08-11-10, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by 36mafia

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/08/...ic-report.html

Originally posted by lasker

http://www.compustrike.com/stats_fil...Penn-Edgar.HTM

theres one that favors each side

**lasker** · 08-11-10, 01:25 PM

I wish the UFC would implement Pride's system of scoring, which weighed the later rounds a bit more than earlier ones. It's far better than round by round, IMO -- would have prevented the Machida-Rua 1 fiasco, for example.

But anyway, I would personally have a hard time giving Penn any of the final three rounds. It was a close fight, but by the end Penn was the beaten fighter.

**RollPlayer** · 08-11-10, 01:47 PM

There is no way I am touching BJ as that big of a favorite. This fight is a virtual pick em. For this line to have any value at all bj would have to win over 76% of the time. Edgar or no bet here

**Chairib** · 08-11-10, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by lasker

I wish the UFC would implement Pride's system of scoring, which weighed the later rounds a bit more than earlier ones. It's far better than round by round, IMO -- would have prevented the Machida-Rua 1 fiasco, for example.

But anyway, I would personally have a hard time giving Penn any of the final three rounds. It was a close fight, but by the end Penn was the beaten fighter.

Pride scoring is a joke.

**RollPlayer** · 08-11-10, 02:10 PM

Haha i wish UFC used pride scoring and picked a winner before the fight

**sundin4prez** · 08-11-10, 02:37 PM

we need japasnese "dream" rules.... best of both worlds, 10 point system but takedowns dont score points, its what you do with the takedown that scores points.... i also love the yellow card for stalling (takes 10% of pay for every card)

**GoldRush7** · 08-11-10, 02:51 PM

I am very confident with BJ in this fight. A motivated bj penn is a very dangerous opponent and I think he will be more motivated than ever for this fight

**stefan084** · 08-12-10, 11:33 PM

bj was clearly not himself last fight, and it probably could have gone either way but franky did not "clearly" beat penn. penn has been upping cardio etc. and is already starting w/ the stop running around and fight statements--here's my crucial factors for this fight, one being if bj takes this to the ground (if he can catch him) bj wins convincingly. also i think through the upcoming interviews/hype etc. there might be perceived pressure for franky to engage more as all the movement which was seen as positive/smart in the first fight might be viewed as running in this one (backlash)--lastly a bet on "fight goes the distance" might be affected by both sides focusing harder on winning decisively because of the last fight. my 2 cents

**stefan084** · 08-12-10, 11:44 PM

**lasker** · 08-13-10, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Chairib

Pride scoring is a joke.

UFC has had a ton of ridiculous decisions as well. I'm just talking about the concept of judging a fight in its entirety, rather than round by round. That would have prevented fiascos like Hammill-Bisping or Rua-Machida. It's way better than the "10 point must system," which is a joke.

The corruption/incompetence of Pride judges was another matter entirely.

**Ewoi** · 08-13-10, 10:57 AM

Their last fight was very close. It could have gone either way. It's a matter of what you value more, the fighter landing more effective shots or the fighter who is more active and throws more strikes.

As for the rematch, I think BJ will win decisively. He can take Frankie down (like others did in the past; Maynard, Griffin, Bocek) and can keep him down. Particularly when Frankie tries to stand back up instantly, BJ can take his back where his rear mount is second to none. If he chooses to stand up with Edgar, I think he can land effective punches like in their last fight. Worse case scenario is Frankie decisioning BJ again. But this time around I see BJ taking the fight to Frankie.

**jin2daj** · 08-13-10, 01:43 PM

bj penn is pretty aweseom. Im thinking edgar might just out work him though.

**cooldavid3169** · 08-14-10, 12:14 PM

I like fightmetric better than compustrike but im to late to post it. I think Edgar won last fight but I'm bias.

**sundin4prez** · 08-14-10, 01:04 PM

bj is not going to be able to take frankie down, i think it all comes down to bj controlling the octogon, using his jab effectivly and being aggresive.....

**stefan084** · 08-15-10, 12:25 AM

why do u think bj can't get franky down? too much movement? not being a smartass just wondering what your reasoning is

**NOLA42** · 08-15-10, 12:40 PM

all BJ needed was motivation, and now he's got it