i think Edgar did more work and dictated where the fight took place.
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yes the this fight was not 50-45 but bj lost.... frankie controlled the pace and all bj used was his jab.... my what and i arent happy about it but edgar won fair and square..... so i guess Aoki is 1 LW....Comment -
i didn't have a problem with decision and i had it edgar but for me it was penn did one thing the whole fight, after awhile u start seeing more from edgar, different looks, angles td etc he just looked like he was in control and setting the direction of the fight. edgar made that a mobile boxing fight, and penn had to chase a little that was the difference to me, and penn looked like he lost, looked more tired, looked more beat up, looked discouraged. it was really close, glad edgar won, he fough smart and stuck to a perfect fight plan.Comment -
I re-watched it and thought the scoring by the judges was poor but as far as the decision it could have (and obviously did) gone either way.Comment -
First off the machida/shogun fight will go down in history for being a robbery. Thats why the 2nd fight has a lot of hype behind it. This fight however was no where near a robbery. Everyone knows the 3 point scoring system. Its not just about how many strikes you land... bj did land more strikes and early in the fight landed the more damaging ones too. But on the flip side frankie was always in control of the fight and bj was playing the counter game the WHOLE fight. So I can see why a judge would score it 50-45 since frankie was the aggressor and controller the whole fight. While I don't agree with a 50-45 card before the end of the last round I was praying for bj to go all out because he was getting dominated at the end and it was obvious to me he lost rounds 3, 4, and 5. So to say this fight was a robbery is a real stretch.Comment -
Close fight, I had BJ winning, but it's not outrageous.Comment -
I had it as a draw, it was a close fight but not crazy that the judges decided in awarding the fight to Edgar. I had a feeling BJ would revert back to his old self and start fading after the third.Comment -
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Exactly how did Frankie control the whole fight?
Up until the last round BJ was basically chasing Frankie, who seemed to be focused on running away and avoiding BJs jab when he did go in he'd throw ugly flurries get countered and run away again granted he threw more punches and he looked to be dominant but sadly very rarely did he land.
If he was so aggressive how come he threw less strikes normally that stat correlates with the aggressor, Unless dancing around is aggression gyrating maybe?
stealing is stealing, and BJ Penn was robbed by the judges he won at least 2 rounds and was not awarded for them. thus even if you disagree with the outcome he was still robbed; I for one firmly believe he won.Comment -
takedowns meant alot in this fight.Comment -
They shouldn't have. Judges severely overrate them. What was Penn down for during the entire fight? A combined 15 seconds?Comment -
getting up after a takedown counts too but takedowns should still be worth points. like in a wrestling you get 2 points per td, and 1 pt per escape.Comment -
Where have you guys gotten the idea from that you have to win more decisevly against the title holder? It's bullshit. The rules are exactly the same, title holders don't need artificial protection. The best fighter wins the belt.Comment -
It's been said in this thread that if BJ doesn't dominate every second of every round then he is perceived to be losing; It's not that it's artificial protection it's human nature.
Champions have an aura around them that both helps and hurts them, If your known for dominating fights and you are in a close fight people are so shocked your not dominating they immediately assume your losing. The same is true for a guy like Machida he's known for being a patient counter striker in the Shogun fight he got picked apart and all the judges saw were Machida's counters because in they're eyes it was part of Machidas game plan.
It's much less the title of champion and much more the judges perception of the fighter and the fight it self inexperienced judges tend to judge close fights on what they know about the fighters past performances it's sad but it's true MMA judging is still in it's infancy the rules are complex and vague.Comment -
i think everything has to come back to damage. a takedown is efficient if you are doing damage on the ground, or atleast preventing damage from being done to you. however, if you take someone down but you are either controlled by the guy on the bottom, or the bottom fighter is landing more effieicent strikes, then I do not see the value in the takedown.
not saying that happened here, i still have not had a chance to watch fight.Comment -
penn's trainer saying he should get a rematch and that he fought with a sinus infection....
link- http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/4/13...ays-penn-had-aComment -
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Agree with most things you say, but that wasn't really what I was referring to. A lot of people think that a challenger SHOULD in fact be judged differently than a champion, in that in a close match, the current champion should always retain the belt. To me that's absurd, as there are no rules saying any such thing.Comment -
can never trust any official in any sport..its getting ridiculousComment -
rematch in the works..... possibly in in boston (close to frankie's home town jersey) or possibly free for the next versus card...
link http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/4/13...penn-a-rematch
im betting the house on penn....Comment -
if u break the fight down to say a 10point must system and focus on the boxing penn i believe wins. penn's punch count was slightly higher and definately more power. but again all he really did was sit in the pocket, when he began to chase he started to get drilled and edgar started to really pour on the punches and takes the fight in a direction he wanted. to me if penn is chasing or had to chase and the fight was close to that point then edgar took over.
penn threw 5 more strikes than edgar, all but like 4 or 5 were head punches and mainly jabs.
edgar threw 60% to head, 30% body and 10% leg.
the takedown had no value in the scores as edgar didn't establish the position but it probably just reinforced the ring control element. it was his pace and striking that set up a flat footed penn.
again for me edgar decided to take this fight away from penn by moving in and out side to side, mixed his strikes etc, to me he did more and wanted to establish his game. penn really had no answers and had no way of slowly edgar down or changing direction. with edgar out striking penn 29-22 last 2 rounds and making penn chase to me states penn maybe knew it could be over. no fight was dominated or really losing or in any threat, its just perception i think. i just saw it as edgar taking it to penn with speed, angles and movement just like a power striker takes it to a fighter with bombs or a wrestler takes it to a fighter with takedowns etc. what did penn really do?Comment -
Close fight, I had Edgar, but not 50-45...Comment -
how big of a fav is penn in a rematch? -250?Comment -
taking Penn in the rematch should be a good move.Comment -
lets just say vegas won big on this fight.Comment -
He could have finished if he would have pushed the pace. It's his own fault.Comment
