BJ Penn Robbed...

**Tunaman** · 04-11-10, 11:18 AM

This was a shocker..Never leave it up to the judges.

**NOLA42** · 04-11-10, 11:28 AM

The scoring was ridiculous, everyone knows that a challenger has to thoroughly beat the champ to take the belt, and Edgar just didn't do that to Penn

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 04-11-10, 11:31 AM

Yea BJ won this fight, its almost like BJ is so good that if he dosn't dominate a round they give it to Edgar for staying alive. This also goes for GSP and Silva in a similar way they both dominated Hardy and Mia, and neither of them lost a round to those fighters but both get hammered because they are EXPECTED finish everyone in convincing form

**PingPong** · 04-11-10, 11:54 AM

they should have just called it a draw

**Eccocide** · 04-11-10, 12:03 PM

I don't think it was a robbery but I would have given it to Penn. Penn won the first 2 rounds pretty clearly and Edgar won the last 2 pretty clearly. So it comes down to the 3rd round which i scored for BJ. Either way it was an extremely close fight and could have gone either way. Shogun/Machida was much worse decision than this.

**smarmy** · 04-11-10, 12:19 PM

judges are not fighters so when you leave the fight in their hands it can go either way. but at least we'll have plenty of soundbites in the coming weeks of bj whining about being robbed.

**rk9** · 04-11-10, 12:19 PM

I disagree and I had money on Penn. Edgar was winning the exchanges and doing more damage to BJ. Edgar did a good job of getting in and out quickly while landing some effective punches. I had it 48-47 Edgar. You could see on Penn's face that he thought he lost. It sucked that I lost my bet but I was not suprised.

**teaserpleaser** · 04-11-10, 12:22 PM

im going to rewatch this

**jin2daj** · 04-11-10, 02:21 PM

i agree. bj was robbed.

look up fightmetric statistics. clearly show bj landed more strikes and should have won 3-2.

**36mafia** · 04-11-10, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by jin2daj

i agree. bj was robbed.

look up fightmetric statistics. clearly show bj landed more strikes and should have won 3-2.

nice site
but it doesnt take into account overall damage, octagon control, takedowns, etc.
frankly bj penn didnt do enough to win the fight and was looking to counter the whole fight or did a too little too late. and thats coming from a huge bj penn fan and a borderline retarded gambler that parlayed him in all of his picks

**DiggityDaggityDo** · 04-11-10, 02:33 PM

The Hawaiian was robbed. Plain and simple. I had him winning 3-2 also.

**cky312** · 04-11-10, 02:44 PM

Edgar only tried as hard as he had to outpoint BJ in rounds, by round 3, it was he he has punching for points on the scorecard and not for damage on BJ. If Michida Shogun was given to the champion, Penn Edgar definitely should've been the same.

**Darrellp32** · 04-11-10, 02:55 PM

What was the "line" on this? Penn -500???

**playa420** · 04-11-10, 03:16 PM

Fightmetric report is out , and it confirms what i thought yesterday, Penn got ****ing robbed.Penn edged Edgar in total strikes 72 to 63,Penn attacked more to the head with 61 of his 72 strikes, while Edgar threw 24 of his 63 strikes to the legs and body.In the first round alone Penn landed 18 while Edgar landed 10.In the first BJ landed 16 head strikes compared to Edgars 4 . How the **** did a judge give all 5 rounds to Edgar. The fix was clearly in, and the judges must of got a nice payout.

**jin2daj** · 04-11-10, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by 36mafia

nice site
but it doesnt take into account overall damage, octagon control, takedowns, etc.
frankly bj penn didnt do enough to win the fight and was looking to counter the whole fight or did a too little too late. and thats coming from a huge bj penn fan and a borderline retarded gambler that parlayed him in all of his picks

good point about the octagon control. didnt think of that. im huge penn fan as well and i also parlayed him way too much last night.

**shady610** · 04-11-10, 03:41 PM

First off, just because you lose a close decision doesnt mean you were ROBBED!
Second, fight metrics doesnt matter when it comes to the win/loss.
third, if you want to win the fight you NEVER leave it to the judges or a close call

GSP has had a few decisions latley, and he didnt leave it close enough for him to lose a decision.

BJ has nobody to blame but himself. Frankie is the new champ because he earned it.

shogun was robbed against machida
hamill was robbed against bisping

**Eccocide** · 04-11-10, 04:12 PM

LOL at the ppl calling it a robbery but saying they had it scored 3 rounds to 2 for BJ......you had BJ winning 1 more round yet it was a robbery? Do you guys know what robbery means? The only thing that can be considered ridiculous is the 50-45 scorecard - other than that I dunno how you can say is was a horrible decision. Round 3 was up in the air and obviously the judges though Edgar won the round. BJ's gameplan was horrible and he has no one to blame but himself.

**DiggityDaggityDo** · 04-11-10, 04:15 PM

The 3rd round was not up in the air. Edgar won the 3rd round easily.

**Eccocide** · 04-11-10, 04:21 PM

If you think anyone won round 3 'easily' you are nuthugging. It was a close round, even moreso after I watched the fight for a second time. Strikes landed were even and there wasnt any significant control either way. Edgar didnt land any of his takedowns in the round, was stuffed every time.

**DiggityDaggityDo** · 04-11-10, 04:24 PM

My bad, I was thinking the last round, not the 3rd. Forgot we were talking about a 5 rounder here. Edgar won the 5th round easily.

And I don't hug nuts. Ever.

**Eccocide** · 04-11-10, 04:32 PM

Haha okay, ya Edgar won 5th easily, the 4th as well IMO. Penn had 1 & 2. Im sure there will be a rematch down the road, although Dana said at the press conference Edgar will prolly defend his belt first before a rematch will happen.

**DiggityDaggityDo** · 04-11-10, 04:36 PM

Definately there will be a rematch.

Any word on what BJ had o say after the fight?

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 04-11-10, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

Yea BJ won this fight, its almost like BJ is so good that if he dosn't dominate a round they give it to Edgar for staying alive. This also goes for GSP and Silva in a similar way they both dominated Hardy and Mia, and neither of them lost a round to those fighters but both get hammered because they are EXPECTED finish everyone in convincing form

Like i said i thpough BJ won 3-2 rounds, but in no way was this a robbery. Bj never knocked Frankie down, never took him down, and didn't really mark up his face. A robbery would be if he dominated the fight and lost which BJ did not do.

**tbird509** · 04-11-10, 05:36 PM

penn looked like shit,compared when u used to be more aggresive,doesnt look very aggresive at all

**naokothewarrior** · 04-11-10, 07:03 PM

Considering it was a title fight, it should've been more of a decisive win from Edgar to take the title imo... it was a little too gray. The fight seemed rigged to me, with those odds and it being held in the richest city in the world, kinda makes you wonder...

Also BJ should've had his training camp in California again instead of Hawaii. I think he only trained with the Marinovich's for a couple weeks this time. He was incredible after working with them for the Diego Sanchez fight. All the dynamic integration training reprograms your nervous system and makes you much more explosive. They start by strengthening the toes and feet, a lot of balancing on your toes on slant boards and pipes. Compare that to Sanchez's kettlebell training where you're always putting weight on the heels...

Disappointing. Hopefully BJ will go back to how he was training before. Maybe he's just over it.

**knownone** · 04-11-10, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Eccocide

LOL at the ppl calling it a robbery but saying they had it scored 3 rounds to 2 for BJ......you had BJ winning 1 more round yet it was a robbery? Do you guys know what robbery means? The only thing that can be considered ridiculous is the 50-45 scorecard - other than that I dunno how you can say is was a horrible decision. Round 3 was up in the air and obviously the judges though Edgar won the round. BJ's gameplan was horrible and he has no one to blame but himself.

It's the context of "robbery" you seem to be missing maybe I didn't make it clear in my post to justify why I and many others feel this was a robbery and I apologize for that.

Whether BJ won or not is up for debate the fact is this was a close fight decided by what I consider inexperienced or mma illiterate judges: This was a robbery plain and simple no way around it this was worse than Shogun/Machida.

I think we can all agree BJ won at least 1 round just about everyone in this thread has BJ winning at least 2 rounds; I personally think BJ won rounds 1 2 and 3 with the 4th being a toss up and Edgar dominating the 5th.

So exactly how do you justify 2 judges scoring the fight 5-0 and 4-1? for Edgar.
To put that in perspective the Shogun/Machida fight went 3-2, 3-2, 3-2 for Machida.

I truly believe Edgar conned his way into a titled he looked flashy he looked active he landed shots! he was exciting! and the inexperienced mma illiterate judges loved it; it's to bad behind all that flash a seemingly uninterested BJ Penn put a boxing clinic on Edgar landing clean counters and dishing out the bigger strikes.

**Vrakas** · 04-11-10, 09:20 PM

if anyone got robbed it was maia. he won rounds 4 and 5 easily and took 3 by means of aggression. add the points silva should have lost for doing nothing but running like the chicken that he is for the last 3 rounds and maia should have won easy. its no surprise bruce buffer didnt announce the scores at the end the chicken clearly paid off the judges to win the fight

**JuicedUp** · 04-11-10, 09:24 PM

BJ lost fair and square. He was dazed and confused the whole fight.

**clarkd32** · 04-11-10, 10:48 PM

did Penn look tired the last couple of rounds? i also read read he had a brace on his knee...

**mv09** · 04-11-10, 11:12 PM

BJ did not deserve to be called Champion after that showing.

**illmatick** · 04-11-10, 11:16 PM

I had it 3-2 for BJ, Penn just looked way too complacent for the last 3 rounds

didn't have a problem with the decision either way

**tokio** · 04-11-10, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by mv09

BJ did not deserve to be called Champion after that showing.

Exactly man. I had money on BJ too but I hate when he shows up like this. Frankie came in and did what he had to do...and he was damn good at it too.

**excel** · 04-11-10, 11:29 PM

Glad I bet on the other guy.. 5 won 35

**Shane** · 04-12-10, 01:23 AM

Shocked that a judge could score such a close fight 50-45 for the challenger. Thought this fight should've been a draw, but I think BJ's poor body language lost him the fight. He looked sick out there.