Currently the most overrated and underrated fighters...

The HOFF · 03-03-10, 07:42 PM

Don't forget about Noguiera, very over-rated. Cain exposed him and PRIDE.

illmatick · 03-03-10, 07:56 PM

LOL HOFF

Tree Rollins · 03-03-10, 09:06 PM

That's some good stuff Pride>ufc. Both of those lists are pretty solid.

Vrakas · 03-03-10, 10:57 PM

the ufc has been on fire lately.machida slapped sho gun hoooa and he will do it again,valasqukas is eating mexican nogera treats.

clarkd32 · 03-03-10, 11:16 PM

i like your underrated list... not sure about rogers but mousasi and diaz i agree with.

RobbReport · 03-03-10, 11:49 PM

lol! holy shit!

illmatick · 03-04-10, 12:43 AM

agree with florian and diaz

machida is winning the rematch

36mafia · 03-04-10, 01:53 AM

lol at the cholula hot sauce

Lincoln73 · 03-04-10, 07:36 AM

overrated-cro cop
underrated-ben saunders

Nomocino · 03-04-10, 10:21 AM

agree with all but rampage he has other interests now

Pride>UFC · 03-06-10, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Lincoln73

overrated-cro cop underrated-ben saunders

How is CroCop overrated? This isn't 2007...no one considers him a contender...

and how is Ben Saunders underrated? he's not a can and he should be at least a 2/1 favorite in his next fight, but getting destroyed by Swick wasn't very impressive...

Pride>UFC · 03-06-10, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by The HOFF

Don't forget about Noguiera, very over-rated. Cain exposed him and PRIDE.

and two pride guys (Rampage and Shogun) exposed Chuck, the greatest UFC LHW supposedly...
Then Nog, 8 years past his prime, exposed the greatest UFC heavyweight (Randy) of all time, now bow down to your superior...
so Randy's not the greatest UFC HW ever? oh really? so who is? Arlovski or Tim Sylvia? Two guys who were destroyed by Fedor inside 1 round...

u got owned homie...

Pride>UFC · 03-06-10, 11:33 AM

oh and who can forget the greatest UFC Middleweight ever Rich Franklin going 0-3 against

two pride guys, Spider and Hendo...

i don't talk smack, I smack talkers...

THE_LOCKSMITH · 03-06-10, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by Pride>UFC

and two pride guys (Rampage and Shogun) exposed Chuck, the greatest UFC LHW supposedly...

Who then got owned ny Forrest Griffin

Pride>UFC · 03-06-10, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

Who then got owned ny Forrest Griffin

lol Tito beat Forrest twice and was robbed the 2nd time...
Rampage beat him and was robbed for the belt...
Shogun's ACL was torn...
Rashad, Jardine, and Spider all destroyed him and Lil Nog's on the way....
talk about an irrelevant fighter, that's Forrest Griffin...
He should be the one fighting Chuck at the Ultimate TUF championships...

THE_LOCKSMITH · 03-06-10, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Pride>UFC

talk about an irrelevant fighter, that's Forrest Griffin...
He should be the one fighting Chuck at the Ultimate TUF championships...

That very same Irrelevant fight beat the sheeeeeet out of Rampahe and ShoGun

Pride>UFC · 03-08-10, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

That very same Irrelevant fight beat the sheeeeeet out of Rampahe and ShoGun

Forrest = can

cky312 · 03-08-10, 10:31 PM

Here's a real list for you guys: (in order of over / under rated-ness

Overrated:
-Brett Rogers (He has no credible wins in his resume, lets not kid ourselves with the bull rush on Arlovski's glass jaw. He's just a big HW with a great chin with sub-par technique that can throw a decent punch.
-Shane Carwin (I'm a Carwin fan, but he was completely out-skilled in the Gonzaga fight until the right cross and now he's being fed to Mir)
Any ex-Pride fighter in UFC can be considered in the overrated list with the exception of little Nog and Shogun (Rampage is on the edge IMO):
-Big Nog (you can say that's how he fights, getting beat up badly and then locking up a sub, but other than the Couture fight, he's looked in trouble everytime)
-Wand (ever since his lights went wayyyyy back against CroCop, he has not been the same Axe Murderer)
-CroCop (we never saw the same CroCop since he stepped foot in UFC)
-Aoki (I think I'll get some flak for this one but he would not survive overseas in the weight cutting muscle zoo North American circuit. I think Melendez will prove that one soon)
-Forrest Griffin (I'm not sold on him, yes those are wins against Rampage and Shogun, but he's perpetually over-valued because of his UFC upbringing

Underrated:
-Jacare (Think Maia with 10-15lbs more lean muscle, better standup, and a more aggressive MMA submission game. Need I say more?)
-Junior Dos Santos (he's been under the spotlight somewhat because of more marketable names in HW that speaks English, but in a sense that is a good thing because he's one of the few prospects that UFC properly groomed. I don't think his standup is in question but he'll need to prove what he has on the ground once he faces the HW wrestling elites.)
-Mayhem Miller (His recent record might not look good but it's quite deceiving. He did lose to Shields but I've never seen Shields unable to mount any real threats like he did against Mayhem. The two fights with Jacare he clearly won the standup exchanges by large margins, the first fight I felt was a decision that could've gone either way and the second fight Mayhem had a slight edge over Jacare before he got cut. This man has some of the best submission defense in MMA p4p.
-Bibiano Fernandes (he's done nothing but win since Dream)

teaserpleaser · 03-09-10, 01:07 PM

nick diaz

Pabinator · 03-09-10, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Pride>UFC

OVERRATED
1. GSP- Great athlete and everything, but for anyone to say he's top 3 p4p and that he's a dominant champion would be a joke. He can't finish his opponents and just eeks out decisions.
2. Machida- I mean seriously, for people to consider this guy in a p4p conversation after losing his last fight would be ridiculous. He probably wouldn't even beat Mousasi or Rampage.
3. Koscheck- for someone who got destroyed by Paulo Thiago and cheated to win his last fight, this guy is super overrated. I mean faking an eye poke while getting kneed? Then poking your opponent in the eye 26 times until he can't see and then getting the victory? wow, and people think he's seriously a top 3 WW.
4. Frank Mir- I mean seriously, anyone with a half a brain knows Roy Nelson would have the advantage over Mir in every position if they ever fought. Lets not forget that Mir's two biggest wins are flukes for obvious reasons. He already owned him in a grappling match, plus he obviously has the better hands.
5. Aoki- Melendez will finally end the hype...

I dont agree with your top 2 overrated picks.

GSP is the champ the last time I checks. I everyone he has fought he has dominated. I missed the memo were it says you have to finish fighters to be in the top pound for pound list. & the last time I checked, he finished a few guys or completely dominated them where they were basically useless in there. If he is isnt the best in that weight class, then who is? Umm there isnt anyone better @ 170 so how is he overrated when he is the BEST?

Rampage nor Moussasi would beat Machida, Rampage wont even beat Rashaad

delldog · 03-09-10, 05:26 PM

overrated - R. Evans, T. Ortiz, F. Griffin, K. Slice, C. Sonnen, V. Belfort, P. Daley, and M. Bisping

underrated - C. Velaquez, JDS, Jacre, and King Mo

Pride>UFC · 03-10-10, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Pabinator

I dont agree with your top 2 overrated picks. GSP is the champ the last time I checks. I everyone he has fought he has dominated. I missed the memo were it says you have to finish fighters to be in the top pound for pound list. & the last time I checked, he finished a few guys or completely dominated them where they were basically useless in there. If he is isnt the best in that weight class, then who is? Umm there isnt anyone better @ 170 so how is he overrated when he is the BEST? Rampage nor Moussasi would beat Machida, Rampage wont even beat Rashaad

lol at Rampage not beating Rashad, you're a moron. Do u lick Dana's balls every night before u go to sleep? you UFC fans are really delusional. What has Rashad done in his career? Almost got KTFO'd by a jiu-jitsu guy in his last fight, almost died against the one decent fighter he's fought.

Rampage will smash Rashad you imbecile...and yeah, laying on someone for 5 rounds is really impressive, considering BJ, Fedor, and Spider actually knock their opponents out or make them tap...

moron...

THE_LOCKSMITH · 03-10-10, 07:17 PM

lol, If Rampage and little Nog don't beat Evans and Griffin you might commit suicide. Hard to make a case for Rampage being under rated when he can't finish "TUF cans" like Jardine/Griffin/Evans, so far he has been unable to finish Jardine and Griffin, Evans will make him 0-3

GSP "can't finish his opponents and just eeks out decisions" let's hold Rampage to those same criteria, and if he dosn't fisnish a "TUF can" for a third time we put him on the over rated list

clarkd32 · 03-10-10, 09:25 PM

i've never seen jacare fight.. i may have to look for some videos on youtube...

JohnGalt2341 · 03-12-10, 08:08 PM

If Jake Shields beats Dan Henderson in April then Jake should be considered pound for pound the most underrated fighter in the history of MMA. Keep in mind, that I think BOTH Jake and Hendo belong on the underrated list. I give the edge to Hendo in this fight but I wouldn't count Jake out. He hasn't lost a fight in years and he's not exactly fighting cupcakes.

urge2kill · 03-12-10, 09:05 PM

I don't know anybody who thinks Kimbo is any good, so I don't see how he's overrated.

JohnGalt2341 · 04-22-10, 10:28 PM

NOBODY is more underrated than JAKE SHIELDS!

clarkd32 · 04-22-10, 10:35 PM

you were right on aoki....

i thought mousasi would do better vs king mo.

still not sold on shields... i think hendo had an injury going into the fight. but i still give props to shields for coming back in that fight after the way the 1st round looked...

RobbReport · 04-23-10, 12:38 AM

Shinya's fag ass and Gray Gaynard.

squallsquall · 04-23-10, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by JohnGalt2341

NOBODY is more underrated than JAKE SHIELDS!

That Hendo sucked in that match doesn't make Shields the second coming.

knownone · 04-23-10, 02:29 AM

Most overrated Jose Aldo.
Most underrated Eddie Alvarez.

cky312 · 04-23-10, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by knownone

Most overrated Jose Aldo.

Please do explain, I'm probably the biggest Jose fan on here but I'd love to know why you think so.

knownone · 04-23-10, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by cky312

Please do explain, I'm probably the biggest Jose fan on here but I'd love to know why you think so.

I really like Jose Aldo he's a good young up and comer who IMO could go down as the best featherweight of all time when all is said and done.
With that said he really hasn't done enough to be considered a top 10 P4P as so many people claim, I've seen comparisons to Anderson Silva and I just don't see it.
Aldo is still young and still very green give him a few fights then I might agree with the hype but right now... I see Faber physically dominating Aldo and exposing him as a solid young guy with a lot of hype.

sundin4prez · 04-23-10, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by knownone

Most overrated Jose Aldo.
Most underrated Eddie Alvarez.

YEEEEEEESSS, you are 100% correct....... i have heared enough of some people calling aldo top 5 in p4p rankings..... most not all never heard of him 2 fights ago....