mosley/mayweather on the table

Ian · 01-19-10, 01:59 AM

I hope it happens. Even in his late 30s Mosley is still a top 10 pfp fighter and many people would have him in the top 5.

I'm pissed to see Berto withdraw (especially because I already bought tickets), but it's hard to fault the guy considering the severity of the earthquake.

Trixie · 01-19-10, 04:44 AM

I think they've known he was gonna step out for a while now. On Monday Schaefer announced there would be an announcement regarding floyd's future in a couple of days. Would make sense they announce Floyd- Sugar Shane the day after or the day before the Pac-Clottey press conference to shit all over that. Yeah Shane is still solid but he's got nothing more than a puncher's chance against PBF.

Reload · 01-19-10, 05:48 AM

Would be a good fight. Seems like Kentucky Derby Saturday always works out to be a great fight night when done right.

Pabinator · 01-19-10, 02:24 PM

I wonder what the line will be for this fight

Infamous · 01-19-10, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Pabinator

I wonder what the line will be for this fight

I'll say Floyd -230, Over 11.5 -200.

illmatick · 01-19-10, 08:30 PM

I'm thinking the line will be closer to -300, I would be all in at -230

clarkd32 · 01-19-10, 08:38 PM

i think the ufc is planning to move 113 as well due to this fight. i'd like to see them go head to head.

Busterflywheel · 01-19-10, 08:50 PM

Mosley is to damn old..

Infamous · 01-19-10, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by Busterflywheel

Mosley is to damn old..

Margacheato disagrees.

bigboired · 01-20-10, 09:19 AM

mayweather vs mosley

It would be a great fight for Mayweather because shane has been talking mess for a while now so now he has to step up his game now forrest hurt him I think Mayweather is going to beat him to shane is fast but mayweather is faster than he is

Busterflywheel · 01-20-10, 10:46 AM

Mayweather takes this easy

marabdl86 · 01-20-10, 11:53 AM

Infamous who knows if the plaster less Margarito was anything more than a club fighter. Thing that made Margarito special was his ability to hurt you and keep coming no matter what you threw back at him. Not having any plaster in your gloves and possibly getting banned from boxing, I really doubt Margarito was 100% that night. He looked like a totally different person walking into the ring to me

Before that fight with Margarito, Shane was getting beat by Mayorga until Mayorga gassed. Cotto was giving him a boxing lesson 2 years ago. When the mayweather, mosley fight does finally happen it's going to be almost 1 and half years since Mosley last fought. Seeing Mosley sparring he has looked slow and sluggish.

I think they paid Berto step aside money because GBP knew Mosley would get beat and didn't want to risk the payday with Mayweather. Shame on Berto for not taking advantage of the opportunity to make millions

Busterflywheel · 01-20-10, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by marabdl86

Infamous who knows if the plaster less Margarito was anything more than a club fighter. Thing that made Margarito special was his ability to hurt you and keep coming no matter what you threw back at him. Not having any plaster in your gloves and possibly getting banned from boxing, I really doubt Margarito was 100% that night. He looked like a totally different person walking into the ring to me

Before that fight with Margarito, Shane was getting beat by Mayorga until Mayorga gassed. Cotto was giving him a boxing lesson 2 years ago. When the mayweather, mosley fight does finally happen it's going to be almost 1 and half years since Mosley last fought. Seeing Mosley sparring he has looked slow and sluggish.

I think they paid Berto step aside money because GBP knew Mosley would get beat and didn't want to risk the payday with Mayweather. Shame on Berto for not taking advantage of the opportunity to make millions

Agreed..What was that F**ker thinking

SirChevron · 01-20-10, 12:08 PM

screw mayweatehre wont pay 5 cents to see him

JoshW · 01-20-10, 12:31 PM

Floyd will kill him.

Infamous · 01-20-10, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by marabdl86

Infamous who knows if the plaster less Margarito was anything more than a club fighter. Thing that made Margarito special was his ability to hurt you and keep coming no matter what you threw back at him. Not having any plaster in your gloves and possibly getting banned from boxing, I really doubt Margarito was 100% that night. He looked like a totally different person walking into the ring to me

Before that fight with Margarito, Shane was getting beat by Mayorga until Mayorga gassed. Cotto was giving him a boxing lesson 2 years ago. When the mayweather, mosley fight does finally happen it's going to be almost 1 and half years since Mosley last fought. Seeing Mosley sparring he has looked slow and sluggish.

I think they paid Berto step aside money because GBP knew Mosley would get beat and didn't want to risk the payday with Mayweather. Shame on Berto for not taking advantage of the opportunity to make millions

It's a good point. Obviously Margarito's punches wouldn't have been as effective without doctored gloves. But he still has an amazing chin. Only other time I recall Margarito being truly hurt was against Daniel Santos several years back. Shane walked right through him. Even acknowledging the fact Margarito was likely a severely diminished fighter without the plaster, it's hard to argue against how good Shane looked.

Shane didn't look good against Mayorga, true. I've always felt 154 was too high for Shane.

He fought well against Cotto. That was a very close fight. And that was against a prime Cotto.

If you want to go back a fight further, he completely outclassed Collazo, a guy who I thought deserved the decision against Berto.

I'm not saying Shane will beat Floyd. Mayweather will win a clear UD IMO. But to say Shane's too old and is a shot fighter is way too harsh. He'll still give any welterweight problems. Floyd's the worst imaginable matchup for him, though. Shane's at such a disadvantage without an edge in hand speed. He may have been able to offset that against an inexperienced guy like Berto, who also has amazing speed, but not against someone as smart as Floyd.

marabdl86 · 01-20-10, 12:37 PM

I agree Infamous. I'm a boxer and you have to remember this boxing game is all mental. When you don't have your mind right come fight night, I don't care what chin you have, you will get hit and hurt

Infamous · 01-20-10, 12:38 PM

One thing that will be interesting in the negotiations is what lengths Floyd will go to get random blood testing in this fight. If he's going to demand it against Manny, who's never failed a test, what's he going to do against a guy in Mosley who's already proven to have taken steroids?

shady610 · 01-20-10, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Infamous

One thing that will be interesting in the negotiations is what lengths Floyd will go to get random blood testing in this fight. If he's going to demand it against Manny, who's never failed a test, what's he going to do against a guy in Mosley who's already proven to have taken steroids?

exactly what i was thinking.. but even so, i dont think mosley will back out like manny did

marabdl86 · 01-20-10, 03:36 PM

Mosley said he would take blood tests every single day if they want, even on fight night. Mosley's desperate for a huge payday

Pabinator · 01-20-10, 07:37 PM

I like how people keep defending Manny, Mosely never tested positive on a test either, it came out years after the fact, just like it will for Manny.

But yeah he said he would take any test, he wants a big Payday, I woulda much rather seen Mosely fight Manny in a roided out contest because Mosely woulda bashed his head in but I'll take this one too.

Im not sure if it will be an easy win for MW, depends on what Mosely shows up

MC PICKS · 01-20-10, 07:40 PM

Floyd knows Manny will clobber him. Your right buster Shane is well past his prime.

jjgold · 01-20-10, 07:54 PM

Mosley must be broke, he does not belong in the ring anymore.

Trixie · 01-20-10, 09:02 PM

his wife took all of his money

Boddhissatva · 01-21-10, 12:55 AM

WTF??

Sugar Shane Mosley is still a P4P great...did you guys see what he did to Margarito, a man many thought was practically invincible?

Mosley has the tools and heart to win this fight...

It's a long shot but counting on Mosley is ridiculous...and you can bet your a$$ that PBF will not take this fight lightly.

hoopster42 · 01-21-10, 12:58 AM

mayweather will find a way to duck mosley the same way he finds ways to duck every great fighter, he will wait 2 or 3 yrs to fight mosley when shane is a shot fighter just like when he fought oscar was past oscar's prime

shady610 · 01-21-10, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by hoopster42

mayweather will find a way to duck mosley the same way he finds ways to duck every great fighter, he will wait 2 or 3 yrs to fight mosley when shane is a shot fighter just like when he fought oscar was past oscar's prime

i dont think he ducks fighters as bad as people say, but i really believe even he knows that he cant be involved in 2 megafights that couldnt get past the negotioations in the same year. he can kiss his fame, name, and any chance of a payday again if it happens

bobby heenan · 01-21-10, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by Reload

Would be a good fight. Seems like Kentucky Derby Saturday always works out to be a great fight night when done right.

indeed...i was at pac/hatton and pac/cotto....pac/hatton was on derby saturday and my birthday last year(may 2nd)....just an all around great day...and got to watch my celts close out the bulls before going into the fight.....saw a guy in line in front of me at the mgm book cash a derby winner for 10k

and infamous....richard schaefer has said that all future floyd fights will have olympic style testing(i suspect that will be no more than 4 fights)

Pabinator · 01-21-10, 12:54 PM

Mayweather pretty much does what he wants, he doesnt care what people think.

But I still dont think he turned down Manny, expecially when he agreed to pay $10 MILL if he was a pound over! I dont see how a drug test 14 days before the fight was asking to much but what Manny asked for wasnt????????

Can someone answer me that one?

Rio DiNero · 01-21-10, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by Pabinator

Mayweather pretty much does what he wants, he doesnt care what people think.

But I still dont think he turned down Manny, expecially when he agreed to pay $10 MILL if he was a pound over! I dont see how a drug test 14 days before the fight was asking to much but what Manny asked for wasnt????????

Can someone answer me that one?

That's a good question. I lost a lot of respect for Pac-man after that one. Floyd agreed to a silly amount for being over weight, that's why I think he pushed the strict drug testing. If Floyd was gonna have his advantage taken away, by coming in overweight, he was going to equalize it by taking away Manny's advantage, taking PED's. Superstition my a$$, Pac-man is on the sauce.

korbal29 · 01-21-10, 01:44 PM

mosley no shot against mayweather

bobby heenan · 01-21-10, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Pabinator

Mayweather pretty much does what he wants, he doesnt care what people think.

But I still dont think he turned down Manny, expecially when he agreed to pay $10 MILL if he was a pound over! I dont see how a drug test 14 days before the fight was asking to much but what Manny asked for wasnt????????

Can someone answer me that one?

believe me...anyone who thinks floyd is to blame has his "i cant stand floyd" blinders on....whether or not its because you dont like the way he acts or you believe he ducks top welters...

as much crap as floyd takes for being related to his father and uncle who are both characters...i think its safe to say that al haymon alone is brighter than pacs whole camp...its an absolute shitshow between arum, roach, and koncz.....one day one guy is saying something...and the next day one of the other guys is contradicting it...its absurd...ive seen some guys on some real good boxing message boards...who are diehard pac fans....who are embarrassed by the way pac is being handled...roach was caught in a flat out lie the other day

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_5873481,00.html

dan rafael was saying in his chat the other day that arum was on the beach in the carribean, drunk, calling different papers and making shit up....there are also rumors floating around that arum wants to put pac in with margarito next...lol....i always thought to myself....i didnt think hed let his bitterness towards floyd and oscar get in the way...i mean the guy is 80 years old...and has more money than god....

Pride>UFC · 01-21-10, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by shady610

Now that berto withdrew, it looks like this is on the table http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=4837906 i was totally on floyds side for the manny debacle. but if this doesnt go through, ill begin to wonder about this guy

shouldn't u be making threads about the WWE or TNA?

Superman_Punch · 01-21-10, 07:15 PM

I got confirmation from GB source that fight is done deal. Expect it to be made official next couple of days. I'm not ready to sell Shane short. What he did to Tony and Luis were indicators of what he can still do. As for Margarito we expect him to fight again in March. His team has been asked about his return on the Manny undercard. I will try to keep you guys posted as I get more info. Hope to get new info this weekend.