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    #281
    Originally posted by JIBBBY
    MMA MANIA write ups - THE ENTIRE CARD





    135 lbs.: UFC Bantamweight Champion TJ Dillashaw (15-3) vs. Cody “No Love” Garbrandt (11-1)
    Nostradumbass predicts: I think it says a lot about the bantamweight division that Cody Garbrandt is getting an immediate rematch when he was knocked out by TJ Dillashaw the first time they went to war back at UFC 217. I understand that it’s not uncommon these days, as it was in the case of Joanna Jedrzejczyk, but the Pole captured the crown in early 2015, then went on to register five straight title defenses. Garbrandt, on the other hand, was unable to defend his strap a single time. The obvious answer is “marketing” and I can’t imagine anyone in the promotion's front office was in a big hurry to give Raphael Assuncao — 1-1 against Dillashaw — the next crack at the bantamweight crown, so here we are. The good news? It’s going to be fireworks.
    Typically when two fighters come back around to get after it a second time, there have been some bouts in between to make it easier for us to measure what sort of progress each combatant has made. Sometimes the answer is “none” and that just depends on the fighter. For UFC 227, this is essentially round three of their last fight. Garbrandt undoubtedly watched tape ad nauseam and probably feels confident that he fixed the mistake he made last November, just as Dillashaw believes he righted the wrong that left him wobbled to close out the first frame. At least we weren't subjected to another three months of Team Alpha Male vs. Duane Ludwig headlines. Even a clickety clickster like myself was over that nonsense.
    Honestly, I don’t give a shit who wins this fight because it’s going to be bananas from bell-to-bell. As we saw in their first go-round, they match up pretty evenly in all areas. Garbrandt is slightly taller but has a slightly shorter reach. Dillashaw went further in his amateur wrestling career; however, Garbrandt has never been taken down in UFC. This is a question of who makes the first mistake and that’s what makes this fight so dangerous, there is absolutely no margin for error. I know I’m pretty critical of MMA fights that are nothing more than glorified kickboxing matches, but I think in this case — and considering the level of talent inside the cage — I’m willing to make an exception. Garbrandt feels like the right pick on Saturday, simply because the MMA gods love reruns — and hate Dominick Cruz.
    Do I hear rubber match?!?
    Final prediction: Garbrandt def. Dillashaw by technical knockout

    125 lbs.: UFC
    Flyweight Champion Demetrious “Mighty Mouse” Johnson (27-2-1) vs. Henry “The Messenger” Cejudo (12-2)

    Nostradumbass predicts: If you don’t enjoy watching Demetrious Johnson fight, then you probably aren’t a real MMA fan. Early criticism of “Mighty Mouse” was certainly warranted, as the flyweight phenom went to the judges’ scorecards in his first seven UFC fights. Nobody wants to watch a five-round sparring match. But then Johnson matured as a fighter and started to get more comfortable with his abilities. A lot of guys are afraid to commit to the finish because it leaves them vulnerable to counterattack, but when you move as fast as the champ does, it doesn’t really matter. I think once he realized that, he went from point fighter to ruthless killer, with seven of his last 10 fights ending by way of knockout or submission.
    Including his 2016 destruction of Henry Cejudo.
    Cejudo also had his fair share of growing pains, struggling to make the 125-pound limit on multiple occasions. And, like Johnson, he too matured as a fighter and began living as a flyweight instead of just fighting as one. A gold medalist in the 2008 Summer Olympics, “The Messenger” is certainly the most decorated wrestler in the division and he hits pretty hard for a flyweight. But unlike Johnson, he doesn’t know how to seamlessly transition between disciplines. You can almost see him making the conscious decision to shoot or strike as opposed to just adjusting on the fly. It probably doesn’t matter against most of his weight class, simply because he’s the better athlete, but it made his Joseph Benavidez fight way closer than it needed to be and against “Mighty Mouse,” he just got torn apart.
    Let’s not bullshit ourselves here. This fight was booked because Johnson cleaned out the division and got injured when TJ Dillashaw offered to come down to flyweight and try that whole “champ champ” thing. That left us with reruns and I already know how this show ends. Despite all his gifts, Cejudo couldn’t seal the deal in 2016 and I don’t believe he’ll be able to do it here, either. I do, however, expect a more measured approach and a few takedowns, but all that will do is get this fight to last 25 minutes ... and not much else. “Mighty Mouse” is faster, has more cage awareness, and owns a much deeper toolbox. Barring something dramatic, expect Johnson to handily win four of the five frames while adding another lap to his UFC record.
    Final prediction: Johnson def. Cejudo by unanimous decision

    145 lbs.: Cub Swanson (25-9) vs. Renato “Moicano” Carneiro (12-1-1)


    Nostradumbass predicts: One of the great things about Cub Swanson, or more specifically his UFC career, is that it proves you don’t have to win a championship title or score some fancy-shmancy sponsor to have a long and prosperous career as an MMA fighter. You simply need to get into the Octagon, put on exciting fights, and not act like a drunken fool every time you’re out in public. To that end, Swanson has been a smashing success and he’s now 16 fights into his UFC run following eight appearances for World Extreme Cagefighting (WEC). There probably isn't a combat sports fan out there — young or old — who hasn't seen Swanson compete at some point over the last 15 years.
    I’m not sure what he’s got left at age 34 and his career was littered with post-fight performance bonuses, so damage given is by proxy damage received. I don't want to go crazy over his consecutive losses to Frankie Edgar and Brian Ortega, because those are two of the best featherweights in the game. As far as I can tell, Swanson is still a tremendous boxer with top-shelf cardio and a willingness to engage. That beats most fighters in the 145-pound weight class, including Dustin Poirier (UFC on Fuel TV 7) and Jeremy Stephens (UFC Fight Night 44), though his Swiss cheese submission defense has cost him his fair share of fights, to the tune of six taps in nine losses.
    That might be a problem when he tangles with Renato Carneiro, a talented submission specialist who quietly put together a 4-1 record under the UFC banner. Prior to that, “Moicano” — which sounds way too much like “Boitano” — ran the table in Jungle Fight back in his native Brazil. He’s taller and has a longer reach than Swanson, but nobody in his corner is going to advise him to get into a boxing match with the wily veteran, so we can go ahead and just scrap those stats. When a fighter has gotten into double digits in the win column without a knockout, particularly after recycling cans on the local circuit, you know there’s a reason why.
    Even as unreliable as Swanson is on submission defense, Carneiro is going to have to get their fight to the floor in order to exploit it. Against someone who’s shared the Octagon with the likes of Edgar, Ortega, Jose Aldo, and Chad Mendes, just to name a few, I find that to be a fairly daunting task. I would expect this to be three rounds of cat-and-mouse as Swanson uses fancy footwork and punishing counterpunches to keep “Moicano” at bay for the better part of 15 minutes. Besides, what has Carneiro done to establish himself as a legit contender outside of a split-decision win over “Lil’ Heathen” back in April 2017? Sorry, I need more.
    Final prediction: Swanson def. Carneiro by unanimous decision

    115 lbs.: J.J. Aldrich (6-2) vs. Polyana “Dama De Ferro” Viana (10-1)


    Nostradumbass predicts: When I first saw that UFC put this bout on the main card, I shook my head and said to myself, “They only did this to get a women’s fight on PPV and in turn they screwed ... [scans UFC 227 line up for household names] ... uh ... you know this is probably going to turn out to be a great addition to the PPV card.” JJ Aldrich has fewer pro fights than her Brazilian foe, but more appearances under the UFC banner. What we’ve seen to date has been unremarkable in every way. After dropping her Octagon debut to Julianna Lima, Aldrich scored back-to-back decision wins over Chanmie Jeon and Danielle Taylor, neither of whom have a winning record in UFC.
    Aldrich was expected to be a serious contender on Team Joanna during The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 23, right up until she got bounced in the opening round by Tatiana Suarez. That came as a surprise to most fans, as the Coloradan racked up a 7-4 record on the amateur circuit before going 2-1 in the pros. Her background is in Tae Kwon Do and she’s also a brown belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, though Aldrich has yet to record a submission victory in eight trips to the cage. That’s definitely going to be a factor against Polyana Viana, who comes into this contest the winner of six straight — five of them submissions.
    The Brazilian has only been to the scorecards once and that was a decision loss to Aline Sattelmayer under the Real Fight umbrella back in late 2014. Outside of that hiccup, she’s been an absolute terror, finishing nine of her 10 fights inside the first frame. Before we start salivating over that stat I should also point out that only three of her wins came over opponents with a winning record. There is no height or reach advantage in this fight as both strawweights stand 5’5” and hold a 67” reach. Aldrich, however, is a southpaw, for whatever that’s worth in a fight at this level.
    Aldrich is a solid fighter with serviceable hands. No question she has skills on the ground to to complement her stand up and make her a complete fighter, but she’s struggled to secure the finish as the competition has gotten stiffer. Viana, meanwhile, continues to seal the deal in each fight and I don’t expect this bout to be the exception. Look for the aggressive “Dama De Ferro” to score an early knockdown and follow Aldrich to the ground, where she locks up the fight-ending tap.
    Final prediction: Viana def. Aldrich by submission

    185 lbs.:
    Thiago “Marreta” Santos (17-6) vs. Kevin “Trailblazer” Holland (12-3)

    Nostradumbass predicts: It’s hard to know what to expect from Thiago Santos on any given night. This is a middleweight who won four straight fights — all by way of knockout — including last February’s destruction of Anthony “Lionheart” Smith, who is now in the division title hunt after wiping out a couple of ex-champions. Then out of nowhere he gets KTFO by David Branch, a jiu-jitsu specialist who recorded just one KO over the last eight years. Prior to that, “Marreta” had yet another four-fight win streak derailed when he went down in flames against Gegard Mousasi.
    The Brazilian has 12 knockouts in 17 wins — eight of them in the first round — so we know he’s not going to enter the Octagon and pull guard. We also know he’s about as tough as they come, thanks to his time spent as an army paratrooper That’s probably why only one of his six losses have gone to the scorecards. Santos is there to kill or be killed, but his inability to stay consistent has kept him from sniffing a title shot. To be honest, I’m not sure there’s anything he can do on Saturday night to change that, win or lose.
    Kevin Holland (no relation) makes his Octagon debut after a strong showing on Dana White’s Tuesday Night Contender Series, where he returned a decision victory against Will Santiago Jr. I guess the biggest knock on that performance is how it didn't live up to “The Trailblazer’s” incessant yammering about how great he’s been. To his credit, his record backs it up, sporting a 8-1 mark dating back to late 2015 with eight finishes, including his one-off in Bellator MMA last March. Holland is a credible threat to the division, but he’s still got a long way to go in terms of proving he can hang with the Top 10.
    One of the biggest concerns for Santos is overcoming a five-inch reach advantage. In addition, Holland also enjoys a three-inch edge in height and could probably make this bout a protracted sparring session if he knew how to effectively utilize the jab. It’s kind of amazing to me that we’re now in 2018 and the jab is still not at the forefront of every striker’s arsenal. I know Santos is getting up there in age, but 34 is not 44 and at age 25, Holland may not yet be in his prime. How could he be? This is his Octagon debut and we just don't know what to expect from a rookie who draws a main card slot on a major PPV. Until he proves otherwise, I have to side with the combatant who’s already proven himself against some of the toughest guys in the division. Expect Santos to get knocked around for awhile, then get pissed off and charge in with his Brazilian blitzkrieg, slicing right through any defense in the process.
    Final prediction: Santos def. Holland by technical knockout


    135 lbs.:
    Pedro Munhoz vs. Brett Johns

    Despite a rocky 1-2 (1 NC) start to his Octagon career, Pedro Munhoz (15-3) prove his hype was legit with four consecutive victories, including bonus-winning submissions of Russell Doane, Justin Scoggins and Rob Font. He couldn’t quite chase down John Dodson, though, dropping a split decision to him at UFC 222.
    Nine of his professional wins have come by submission, six of them via guillotine.
    Conversely, Brett Johns (15-1) got to work right off the bat in the Octagon, winning his first three fights and scoring one of 2017’s best submissions with his calf slicer of Joe Soto. Against Aljamain Sterling, however, he struggled to get his wrestling going and ultimately lost a wide decision.
    “The Pikey” will have a seven-inch reach advantage.
    I’m a lot more conflicted about this fight than I expected. Munhoz looks like the clear choice on the surface, as his guillotine makes trying to wrestle with him a dicey proposition, but the Brazilian’s striking just hasn’t developed the way it should have. He was losing the stand up against both Scoggins and Font, and he’s never had good wrestling.
    If nothing else, “The Pikey” can take a shot and has some solid boxing. Munhoz won’t be able to drag a panic takedown out of him or consistently get inside that huge reach advantage. I’m probably leaning too much on my gut, but I’ve got Johns for the upset.
    Prediction: Johns via unanimous decision

    135 lbs.:
    Ricky Simon vs. Montel Jackson

    The first victory for Ricky Simon (13-1) Dana White’s “Tuesday Night Contender Series” wasn’t enough to get him a contract, so he won and defended the LFA Bantamweight title to make his case for a contract. He wound up in one of the wildest debuts in recent memory, a “Fight of the Night” barnburner against Merab Dvalishvili that ended in a buzzer-beater.
    At 5’6,” he will give up two inches of height and six inches of reach to Jackson.
    Montel Jackson (6-0) went 8-1 as an amateur with six knockouts and two submissions before making the jump to the professional circuit in 2017. One year almost to the day after his debut, he took part in the “Tuesday Night Contender Series” and knocked out Rico DiSciullo on the Season 2 premiere.
    Five of his six professional wins have come by knockout, three of them in the first round.
    There’s a lot to like about both of these fighters. Two young, aggressive Bantamweights with well-rounded skillsets who turned in impressive recent performances. Though Jackson has the size and looks to be the bigger heater, Simon’s seasoning looks like it’ll be the key difference.
    Jackson hasn’t faced anywhere near the competition Simon has and, crucially, took this fight on less than two weeks’ notice after Benito Lopez had to pull out. Simon’s ability to mix his striking and wrestling should allow him to get inside that reach difference and land enough strikes and takedowns to get the win.

    Prediction: Simon via unanimous decision


    135 lbs.:
    Bethe Correia vs. Irene Aldana

    Bethe Correia (10-3-1) punched her way to a UFC title shot with victories over Julie Kedzie, Jessamyn Duke and Shayna Baszler, only to get torched by Ronda Rousey in just 34 seconds. She has gone 1-2-1 since, following a questionable decision over Jessica Eye by drawing with Marion Reneau and getting head kicked into oblivion by Holly Holm.
    “The Pitbull” will give up four inches of height and reach to Aldana.
    Irene Aldana (8-4) entered the Octagon with first-round stoppages in four of her previous five fights, among them finishes of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) veterans Peggy Morgan and Jessamyn Duke. She’s had a bit less success in the Octagon, though she snapped a two-fight win streak this past January by beating Talita Bernardo in St. Louis.
    She has finished seven opponents in the first round, five of them via (technical) knockout.
    This fight entirely boils down to Aldana’s ability to execute. She’s taller, rangier, by far the bigger puncher, and also has the edge in technique. Correia isn’t much of a wrestler, either, so Aldana is free to open up with her combinations.
    This is damn near a gimme.
    The issue is that Aldana has been reluctant to let her hands go in the past, allowing opponents to stay competitive, and Correia has won some iffy decisions through sheer work rate. Even then, though, there’s just way too much going in Aldana’s favor for me to pick against her. She buries Correia in power punches for a mid-round finish.
    Prediction: Aldana via second-round technical knockout

    145 lbs.:
    Matt Sayles vs. Sheymon Moraes
    Matt Sayles (7-1) rattled off three amateur wins and five professional victories before dropping a questionable split decision to George Hickman. Coming back stateside, he dispatched Christian Aguilera and Yazan Hajeh in less than four minutes combined, defeating the latter on “Tuesday Night Contender Series.”

    He has knocked out six professional opponents, all but one in the first round.
    Sheymon Moraes (9-2) — a decorated Muay Thai veteran — saw his undefeated record go up in smoke thanks to Marlon Moraes in his World Series of Fighting (WSOF) title shot. After two more victories, he joined UFC on short notice against another top fighter in Zabit Magomedsharipov, tapping to the young prospect’s anaconda choke in the third round.
    He’s one inch taller than Sayles and will have four inches of reach on him.
    What makes this interesting is that Sayles will most likely engage Moraes on the feet, and though the Brazilian has the superior striking pedigree, his lack of urgency and volume have resulted in iffy decisions in fights he should have dominated. He’s also worryingly hittable when he throws his left hook, which is a problem considering how often he slings it.
    Still, though, he’s a top-notch striker against someone willing to trade in his wheelhouse, which makes this a pick ‘em. A Moraes knockout wouldn’t surprise me, but his inconsistency has me thinking Sayles catches him with a lethal counter at some point.
    Prediction: Sayles via second-round technical knockout

    125 lbs.: Jose Torres vs. Alex Perez
    Jose Torres (8-0) went from the world’s top amateur to Titan FC’s Flyweight and Bantamweight champion in just five fights, both titles which he defended. While bulking up for a crack at the Featherweight belt, “Shorty” got a short-notice call to the Octagon, where he struggled early against Jarred Brooks before “The Monkey God” knocked himself out with a slam.
    Torres has knocked out four opponents, including Brooks, and submitted another two.
    Alex Perez (20-4) rebounded from the first two-fight skid of his career, which included the loss of his Tachi Flyweight title to future Ultimate Fighter competitor Adam Antolin, with four consecutive regional wins and an anaconda choke of Kevin Gray on “Tuesday Night Contender Series.” He has been equally impressive in UFC itself, choking out Carls John de Tomas and upsetting Eric Shelton by decision.
    As you might imagine from his opponent’s nickname, Perez is two inches taller, though their reaches are identical.
    Considering the short notice and the massive weight cut Torres had to go through to make 125 pounds, I can forgive his shaky performance against Brooks. When he’s on, “Shorty” is as good as anyone in the world, and I expect we’ll see a much better performance here.
    Perez is a damn good wrestler who seriously impressed me against Shelton, but Torres’ boxing is quite a bit sharper, and Perez will find him much more difficult to keep on his back. Torres has the skills to keep it standing, sneak in a takedown or two of his own, and get to work with punching combinations. Perez should take the first round, as Torres is notoriously slow to get going, but expect “Shorty” to take over once the combos start flowing.
    Prediction: Torres via unanimous decision

    135 lbs.:
    Ricardo Ramos vs. Kyung Ho Kang

    Ricardo Ramos (11-1) came up short in his “Lookin’ for a Fight” appearance opposite Manny Vazquez, but earned a call up after choking out future “Tuesday Night Contender Series” hopeful Alfred Khashakyan. Following a decision over Michinori Tanaka, Ramos faced fellow prospect Aiemann Zahabi and wiped him out with an awesome spinning elbow.
    He has gone the distance just twice as a professional, submitting six.
    Kyung Ho Kang (14-7) put on one of 2014’s best fights against Michinori Tanaka, but was unable to capitalize on his momentum due to South Korea’s mandatory military service. He returned to action earlier this year, choking out TUF: “Latin America” alumn Guido Cannetti at UFC Fight Night 124.
    “Mr. Perfect” has submitted 10 opponents and knocked out another two.
    Most of the odds are already out for this event and Kang is around a two-to-one underdog. That doesn’t quite reflect the reality, which is that this is an extremely winnable fight for the Korean. Not only can he match Ramos’ height, he looks to be a fair bit thicker than the Brazilian and is enormously strong for the weight. In addition, he’s a sufficiently skilled takedown artist to put Ramos on his back and tricky enough to hold his own on the mat against the Brazilian jiu-jitsu ace.
    Kang has faded in the past, but his sheer physicality and ground skills seem like just the ticket to overwhelming the Brazilian. He banks at least two rounds through top control and submission attempts to get the decision.
    Prediction: Kang via unanimous decision

    115 lbs.:
    Danielle Taylor vs. Weili Zhang

    After a loss to the much, much taller Maryna Moroz in her Octagon debut, Danielle Taylor (9-3) got back on track with narrow decisions over Seo Hee Ham and Jessica Penne. Shew as unable to do the same against J.J. Aldrich, however, and is now sitting on a .500 UFC record.
    As usual, the 5’0” Taylor will give up height, specifically four inches this time.
    Weili Zhang (19-1) has not tasted defeat since her professional debut, establishing herself as one of China’s best fighters ... period. She has been exceedingly efficient about it, too, going past the second round just once in her current streak.
    She has knocked out nine and submitted six.
    Some Chinese fighters have greatly exceeded my expectations upon joining UFC, but none have impressed me before their debuts as much as Zhang. She’s aggressive, powerful, entertaining and throws some lovely combinations. She’s borderline Top 10-quality already, an excellent addition to the roster.
    Though Taylor has legitimate one-punch power and Zhang has been hurt before, “Dynamite’s” measly 30 percent striking accuracy and notoriously low work rate make this an uphill battle for her. Therefore, expect Zhang to rack up points with her low kicks and boxing on her way to a dominant decision.
    Prediction: Zhang via unanimous decision

    135 lbs.:
    Marlon Vera vs. Wuliji Buren

    Marlon Vera (12-5-1) put together an impressive three-fight win streak, among them stoppages of Brad Pickett and Brina Kelleher, to unexpectedly become a legitimate contender. He has since dropped decisions to power-punchers John Lineker and Douglas Andrade, though neither managed to significantly hurt him.
    He steps in for the injured Bharat Khandare on two weeks’ notice.
    Wuliji Buren (11-5) joined several of his countrymen in Shanghai in Nov. 2017, debuting against Rolando Dy in the midst of a four-fight winning streak. It wasn’t to be five, as “The Beastmaster” lost a wide decision to the Filipino boxer.
    He has stopped six opponents, four by submission.
    Khandare vs. Buren would have been an interesting clash of wrestlers. This is just going to be a stomp.
    Buren really has no clear advantage here outside of his takedowns, and that weapon just puts him in danger of “Chito’s” submission arsenal. On the feet, Vera is the more proven kickboxer, meaning there’s no apparent avenue of victory for the China native. “Chito” touches him up with long-distance kicks until an ill-advised shot from Buren gives him the chance to lock up his neck.
    Prediction: Vera via first-round submission



    Current UFC “Prelims” Prediction Record for 2018: 110-52

    4-8

    Worst write up I've seen out of MMA Mania.

    How many tailed these picks for a loss?
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    • Thrilla
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 03-10-15
      • 13809

      #282
      Originally posted by Sanity Check
      4-8

      Worst write up I've seen out of MMA Mania.

      How many tailed these picks for a loss?

      Jesus. No need to quote post all that nonsens.
      How often they mention the race of a fighter if he's not white or they mention their religion when the fighter is a muslim.

      Must be Trump tards behind those write-ups.

      Now I know why Jibbby loves em so much.

      Fukk them
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      • Thrilla
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 03-10-15
        • 13809

        #283
        Originally posted by JIBBBY
        I missed out on betting most of the card as well and I feel lucky for it.. I would have got lit up also based on all the results.. Was out on a date Saturday night, summer time got the feelers out.. Gotta do it, putting sports gambling on the back burner for now..

        This was a card where I think alot of solid MMA gamblers lost.. I don't think anyone picked Henry to win by decision to close out the event.. That about sums up this card....

        Your absence in the MMA forum and timing of this thread you started gave us a clue. LOL

        Last edited by Thrilla; 08-06-18, 10:55 PM.
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        • Sanity Check
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 03-30-13
          • 10962

          #284




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          • Demonata
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 07-12-11
            • 25829

            #285
            Originally posted by Thrilla
            Jesus. No need to quote post all that nonsens.
            How often they mention the race of a fighter if he's not white or they mention their religion when the fighter is a muslim.

            Must be Trump tards behind those write-ups.

            Now I know why Jibbby loves em so much.

            Fukk them
            Nothing wrong with supporting our president. The dumbasses are the ones that use nicknames for people that support trump.
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            • Sanity Check
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 03-30-13
              • 10962

              #286
              Originally posted by Thrilla
              Jesus. No need to quote post all that nonsens.
              How often they mention the race of a fighter if he's not white or they mention their religion when the fighter is a muslim.

              Must be Trump tards behind those write-ups.

              Now I know why Jibbby loves em so much.

              Fukk them
              The media attacks Trump becuz he's the only one in office who gives a fk about americans.

              When you attack Trump and his supporters, you're not attacking them.

              You're only fuking yourself via blindly believing the bs spammed by media mind control.
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              • stonebanks
                SBR Hustler
                • 05-25-18
                • 99

                #287
                less politics more gambling please.
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                • Teem
                  SBR Sharp
                  • 04-11-17
                  • 343

                  #288
                  I feel like those MMA Mania write-ups have gotten worse and worse as the year goes on. I sometimes use them for picking ML's if I agree with the analysis rather than trailing the method of victory or round. He has been doing awful with his betting write-ups though haha. I believe he's in the red still.
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                  • HurlSweatPants
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 07-28-15
                    • 951

                    #289
                    Originally posted by stonebanks
                    less politics more gambling please.
                    Quite common now, unfortunately. Pretty sure CNN/FOX have message boards and threads, why it has to be brought into an MMA Forum is beyond me.
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                    • JIBBBY
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 12-10-09
                      • 83686

                      #290
                      Originally posted by stonebanks
                      less politics more gambling please.
                      Agreed no place for politics in the MMA section of this forum..

                      You'll never see me post political views on the MMA event threads.. NEVER... Gotta keep it professional.. We are here to win bets and money!!!!
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                      • JIBBBY
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 12-10-09
                        • 83686

                        #291
                        Originally posted by Thrilla
                        Your absence in the MMA forum and timing of this thread you started gave us a clue. LOL

                        https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...open-mind.html
                        My absence is because I got other shiiit going on in my life right now, sports gambling has taken a back seat lately.. Business, dating, etc.. I don't want to cap half ass'd and post up losing picks for people to tail.. That's the truth....

                        I've been at it for years and years in this forum section and just taking a little break right now from the MMA action, I'm still betting just not as often and or obsessed and dialed in like I use to be, I've been more into MLB betting and capping lately because I'm better at it.. I'll be back come winter time as I still love MMA, when summer is over and MLB comes to a close.. I'll bring my best then and start posting regularly at that time. Summer time I'm just trying to enjoy life and mix things up right now.. Get out and do stuff, live life and enjoy the summer

                        Hugo is the king of this section now not me.. He's been doing a great job and no one really gives him bet points for his efforts.. I hate that...

                        Locky still starts all these Event threads and hardly anyone gives him bet points for his efforts.. We sometimes get 10,000 views on these threads also. We use to get 20,000 views on every other thread in the past when Joshknows and I were going at it and when I was really dialed in and Josh was popping off trying to go tout...

                        Thrilla don't forget. I'm still here.. I'll be back in time and all in..

                        Last edited by JIBBBY; 08-07-18, 11:21 AM.
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                        • JIBBBY
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 12-10-09
                          • 83686

                          #292
                          Originally posted by Sanity Check
                          4-8

                          Worst write up I've seen out of MMA Mania.

                          How many tailed these picks for a loss?
                          Mostly everyone got this event wrong..

                          MMAMANIA predictions are fairly solid - His prop hit record is still 110-52 for the year.. Not to shabby. You can't argue that, the dude wins, that's why I copy and paste.. If Patrick Stumberg's record was close to 50/50 I would not copy and paste... I don't really tail his picks either, but I read them and agree with them alot of the time..

                          Last edited by JIBBBY; 08-07-18, 11:34 AM.
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                          • Thor4140
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 02-09-08
                            • 22296

                            #293
                            Originally posted by Sanity Check
                            The media attacks Trump becuz he's the only one in office who gives a fk about americans.

                            When you attack Trump and his supporters, you're not attacking them.

                            You're only fuking yourself via blindly believing the bs spammed by media mind control.
                            Good lord
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                            • Thor4140
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 02-09-08
                              • 22296

                              #294
                              interesting

                              At UFC 227, 18 of the 24 fighters who competed Saturday in Los Angeles came in higher than the 10-percent mark above their contracted weight class on fight day, a potential violation of California State Athletic Commission (CSAC) regulations.
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                              • JIBBBY
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 12-10-09
                                • 83686

                                #295
                                Originally posted by Thor4140
                                Fighters want to compete at the lower weight class to get the advantage in size and strength but more and more just simply can't make the weight. It's becoming a real problem in the UFC.. I think the UFC should implement new rules that if you miss weight once by more then a couple pounds you have only the option to fight at the higher weight class from that point forward.. That would fix things in a hurry..

                                You know Till isn't gonna make weight in this upcoming fight with T-Wood, he should absolutely be fighting at a higher weight class. It's gonna be the same old story again..

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                                • Thor4140
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 02-09-08
                                  • 22296

                                  #296
                                  Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                  Fighters want to compete at the lower weight class to get the advantage in size and strength but more and more just simply can't make the weight. It's becoming a real problem in the UFC.. I think the UFC should implement new rules that if you miss weight once by more then a couple pounds you have only the option to fight at the higher weight class from that point forward.. That would fix things in a hurry..

                                  You know Till isn't gonna make weight in this upcoming fight with T-Wood, he should absolutely be fighting at a higher weight class. It's gonna be the same old story again..

                                  my problem with it is that to me it is a form of cheating. You get these guys eight feet tall fighting at 145 to me is a farce. Hey how about manning up and fighting at a weight more suitable for your size. You look at John Jones and everyone thinks he is all world but the fact is his size and length is more than anyone and this is a huge advantage. He finally fights a guy with those same advantages Gus, and some think he barely won. I don't wanna hear a guy is a pound for pound superstar who has every single edge in a fight. Now a guy like Might Mouse truly is a pound for pound guy. He isn't five feet bigger than his opponents or have a 90 inch reach advantage. Tcity, Max, and that beast who beat Cub all need to move up a weight class. These guys kill themselves to make weight just to fight guys smaller than themselves.
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                                  • JIBBBY
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 12-10-09
                                    • 83686

                                    #297
                                    Originally posted by Thor4140
                                    my problem with it is that to me it is a form of cheating. You get these guys eight feet tall fighting at 145 to me is a farce. Hey how about manning up and fighting at a weight more suitable for your size. You look at John Jones and everyone thinks he is all world but the fact is his size and length is more than anyone and this is a huge advantage. He finally fights a guy with those same advantages Gus, and some think he barely won. I don't wanna hear a guy is a pound for pound superstar who has every single edge in a fight. Now a guy like Might Mouse truly is a pound for pound guy. He isn't five feet bigger than his opponents or have a 90 inch reach advantage. Tcity, Max, and that beast who beat Cub all need to move up a weight class. These guys kill themselves to make weight just to fight guys smaller than themselves.
                                    I agree Thor....
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                                    • PaperTrail07
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 08-29-08
                                      • 20423

                                      #298
                                      my god lol...that WAS awful....4-8 w HUGE - in there LOL....
                                      Originally posted by Sanity Check
                                      4-8

                                      Worst write up I've seen out of MMA Mania.

                                      How many tailed these picks for a loss?
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                                      • Demonata
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 07-12-11
                                        • 25829

                                        #299
                                        Was a horrible card for me. Lost a ton and hot arrested. Doesn't get worse than that.
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                                        • Thor4140
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 02-09-08
                                          • 22296

                                          #300
                                          Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                          I agree Thor....
                                          Than i have to rethink my whole premise here Jibbers. Nah in all seriousness with these guys that kill themselves to make weight just to have all these huge advantages, they know they are fighting a smaller opponent and are always a big threat to miss weight and fuk up a card.
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                                          • JIBBBY
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 12-10-09
                                            • 83686

                                            #301
                                            Originally posted by Thor4140
                                            than i have to rethink my whole premise here Jibbers
                                            Not often we agree.. So I agree again..
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                                            • Thor4140
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 02-09-08
                                              • 22296

                                              #302
                                              Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                              Not often we agree.. So I agree again..
                                              Till is another one. Massive for 170. I doubt he ever fights a guy smaller than him.. So every time he fights u have to pray he makes weight if he is headlining
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                                              • Sanity Check
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 03-30-13
                                                • 10962

                                                #303
                                                Originally posted by Thor4140
                                                my problem with it is that to me it is a form of cheating. You get these guys eight feet tall fighting at 145 to me is a farce. Hey how about manning up and fighting at a weight more suitable for your size. You look at John Jones and everyone thinks he is all world but the fact is his size and length is more than anyone and this is a huge advantage. He finally fights a guy with those same advantages Gus, and some think he barely won. I don't wanna hear a guy is a pound for pound superstar who has every single edge in a fight. Now a guy like Might Mouse truly is a pound for pound guy. He isn't five feet bigger than his opponents or have a 90 inch reach advantage. Tcity, Max, and that beast who beat Cub all need to move up a weight class. These guys kill themselves to make weight just to fight guys smaller than themselves.
                                                ...............

                                                Some taller fighters eat healthier and put more into their nutrition. This allows them to cut weight more effectively and safely.

                                                Some tall fighters have bone structures that are less dense and less durable. Examples of this: John Lineker and Mark Hunt. Both are short for their weight divisions but could make up for it with having a denser bone structure which could help to make them more durable and more powerful in a more compact package.

                                                There are plenty of tall guys who cut too much weight and they pay for it with subpar cardio.

                                                Montel Jackson was noticeably taller than Ricky Simon on saturday. But of course Jackson cutting more weight likely meant his cardio wouldn't be as good and Simon capitalized on this by pushing a fast pace Jackson had trouble with.

                                                I don't think its fair to oversimplify things and pretend that the taller fighter always has the advantage.

                                                Sometimes the shorter fighter is a lazy guy who is too lazy to cut weight. How can you penalize the taller fighter who cuts more weight simply because they're willing to work harder at their weight cuts?
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                                                • Thor4140
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 02-09-08
                                                  • 22296

                                                  #304
                                                  Originally posted by Sanity Check
                                                  ...............

                                                  Some taller fighters eat healthier and put more into their nutrition. This allows them to cut weight more effectively and safely.

                                                  Some tall fighters have bone structures that are less dense and less durable. Examples of this: John Lineker and Mark Hunt. Both are short for their weight divisions but could make up for it with having a denser bone structure which could help to make them more durable and more powerful in a more compact package.

                                                  There are plenty of tall guys who cut too much weight and they pay for it with subpar cardio.

                                                  Montel Jackson was noticeably taller than Ricky Simon on saturday. But of course Jackson cutting more weight likely meant his cardio wouldn't be as good and Simon capitalized on this by pushing a fast pace Jackson had trouble with.

                                                  I don't think its fair to oversimplify things and pretend that the taller fighter always has the advantage.

                                                  Sometimes the shorter fighter is a lazy guy who is too lazy to cut weight. How can you penalize the taller fighter who cuts more weight simply because they're willing to work harder at their weight cuts?
                                                  When Max says Hey fellas watch what u say I’m a big 145er To Tony Ferguson and Khabib. Conor says to Dos anjos at a press conference I’m the bigger man. These guys are looking for an edge and know they are killing themselves to make weight to get an edge. They would never in a million years fight at this weight if they had to walk in the octagon at that weight. They know they would basically have no shot. 1 day of rehydrating yourself fixes all of that. it is amazing to me how say a guy like Felder says how strong he felt at 170 but will still stay at 155. Simple because he is a huge 155 er and kno2s it is an edge he has over smaller 155 ers
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                                                  • JIBBBY
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 12-10-09
                                                    • 83686

                                                    #305
                                                    Bottom line is it doesn't matter if you are tall, fat or short just as long as you always make weight everytime.. It's when a fighter starts missing weight is when I begin to have a problem with it.. It's completely not fair even when giving up more of your purse.. Fighters get pissed off as well..

                                                    The fighter that made the weight could lose and some do lose to other larger fighters that missed weight and that's an L on their record regardless and forever.. That's never good at the UFC level.. It's just not fair or right...
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                                                    • Sanity Check
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 03-30-13
                                                      • 10962

                                                      #306
                                                      Originally posted by Thor4140
                                                      When Max says Hey fellas watch what u say I’m a big 145er To Tony Ferguson and Khabib. Conor says to Dos anjos at a press conference I’m the bigger man. These guys are looking for an edge and know they are killing themselves to make weight to get an edge. They would never in a million years fight at this weight if they had to walk in the octagon at that weight. They know they would basically have no shot. 1 day of rehydrating yourself fixes all of that. it is amazing to me how say a guy like Felder says how strong he felt at 170 but will still stay at 155. Simple because he is a huge 155 er and kno2s it is an edge he has over smaller 155 ers
                                                      Demi Lovato did worse things to her health OD'ing on heroin. Than anything an MMA fighter will do themselves cutting weight.

                                                      Why are there are million news stories about how "bad" weight cutting is? And zero news stories about how unhealthy drugs like heroin are?

                                                      NFL players suffer far worse traumatic brain injuries and concussions than MMA fighters.

                                                      But if you listen to the media they try to give the false idea that cutting weight is worse than anything that happens in the NFL.

                                                      Which is fake as fk.

                                                      The "war on cutting weight" is agenda based more than a legitimate thing.

                                                      But like Jibby said the people who miss weight some of them are cheats.
                                                      Last edited by Sanity Check; 08-07-18, 11:57 PM.
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                                                      • Thrilla
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 03-10-15
                                                        • 13809

                                                        #307
                                                        Originally posted by Thrilla
                                                        Taylor ml +260, 500 units

                                                        Ultimate rule/ formula play:
                                                        Always bet Black
                                                        Always fade Asians
                                                        Always bet underdog in women's MMA.
                                                        Originally posted by Thrilla
                                                        Moraes ml +121, 596 units
                                                        Originally posted by Thrilla
                                                        Simon ml +107 / 587 units
                                                        Originally posted by Thrilla
                                                        Aldrich ml +135 / 504 units
                                                        Originally posted by Thrilla
                                                        Cejudo ml +447 / 1999 units
                                                        Originally posted by Thrilla
                                                        Dillashaw ml -108 / 679 units

                                                        Hugo are you satisfied now? Picks with units attached to it.

                                                        Next time don't act like a lil bitch when the greatest sports bettor in the history of mankind tries to help you by sharing his knowledge.

                                                        I was fooling around with these high unit numbers....Making a point. If you want to brag about your thing. Post number of picks to roi% ratio. Don't care about how many units.
                                                        One card I beat your 100 units profit (was it over last 3 month you said?) LOL.

                                                        Well it's much less than 100 now if its true that you lost 25-30 units with UFC 227. Advice to all be aware of your state of mind in this business. Hugo was getting careless and arrogant and karma handed his ass to him. It's hard to consciously put the same high care in every bet you make.

                                                        I am sure Hugster will bounce back though if he realises he is richer in experience now.
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                                                        • Teem
                                                          SBR Sharp
                                                          • 04-11-17
                                                          • 343

                                                          #308
                                                          savage
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                                                          • WolfTicketDealer
                                                            SBR Sharp
                                                            • 11-05-17
                                                            • 384

                                                            #309
                                                            Originally posted by Thrilla
                                                            Hugo are you satisfied now? Picks with units attached to it.

                                                            Next time don't act like a lil bitch when the greatest sports bettor in the history of mankind tries to help you by sharing his knowledge.

                                                            I was fooling around with these high unit numbers....Making a point. If you want to brag about your thing. Post number of picks to roi% ratio. Don't care about how many units.
                                                            One card I beat your 100 units profit (was it over last 3 month you said?) LOL.

                                                            Well it's much less than 100 now if its true that you lost 25-30 units with UFC 227. Advice to all be aware of your state of mind in this business. Hugo was getting careless and arrogant and karma handed his ass to him. It's hard to consciously put the same high care in every bet you make.

                                                            I am sure Hugster will bounce back though if he realises he is richer in experience now.
                                                            If you don't like what the guy posts/bets, you don't have to read or follow it. He doesn't owe you shit.
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                                                            • JIBBBY
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 12-10-09
                                                              • 83686

                                                              #310
                                                              Originally posted by Thrilla
                                                              Hugo are you satisfied now? Picks with units attached to it.

                                                              Next time don't act like a lil bitch when the greatest sports bettor in the history of mankind tries to help you by sharing his knowledge.

                                                              I was fooling around with these high unit numbers....Making a point. If you want to brag about your thing. Post number of picks to roi% ratio. Don't care about how many units.
                                                              One card I beat your 100 units profit (was it over last 3 month you said?) LOL.

                                                              Well it's much less than 100 now if its true that you lost 25-30 units with UFC 227. Advice to all be aware of your state of mind in this business. Hugo was getting careless and arrogant and karma handed his ass to him. It's hard to consciously put the same high care in every bet you make.

                                                              I am sure Hugster will bounce back though if he realises he is richer in experience now.
                                                              Thrilla you have no power over HUGO.. JUST STOP IT!!!!
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                                                              • Thrilla
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 03-10-15
                                                                • 13809

                                                                #311
                                                                Wolfticket and Jibbb. You don't know the reason of my post. You weren't in last week's Dana White's Tuesday Contender Series thread...so shut up.

                                                                Wtf you think I have some kind of grudge with my brother Hugo.
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                                                                • Thrilla
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 03-10-15
                                                                  • 13809

                                                                  #312
                                                                  Originally posted by WolfTicketDealer
                                                                  If you don't like what the guy posts/bets, you don't have to read or follow it. He doesn't owe you shit.

                                                                  How the fukk did you come to this conclusion? LOL. Has nothing to do with my original post.
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                                                                  • WolfTicketDealer
                                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                                    • 11-05-17
                                                                    • 384

                                                                    #313
                                                                    Originally posted by Thrilla
                                                                    How the fukk did you come to this conclusion? LOL. Has nothing to do with my original post.
                                                                    Actually, it does. The context appears to originate from a discussion regarding hedging, as Hugo made a hedge bet.

                                                                    I agree that hedging for the sake of hedging is not wise, but there are plenty of instances in betting where hedging can be +EV (though that's a different discussion altogether, and not really suited for this thread). In any event, if you don't like him hedging, don't tail. Pretty simple.
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                                                                    • HurlSweatPants
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 07-28-15
                                                                      • 951

                                                                      #314
                                                                      Originally posted by Sanity Check
                                                                      Demi Lovato did worse things to her health OD'ing on heroin. Than anything an MMA fighter will do themselves cutting weight.

                                                                      Why are there are million news stories about how "bad" weight cutting is? And zero news stories about how unhealthy drugs like heroin are?

                                                                      NFL players suffer far worse traumatic brain injuries and concussions than MMA fighters.

                                                                      But if you listen to the media they try to give the false idea that cutting weight is worse than anything that happens in the NFL.

                                                                      Which is fake as fk.

                                                                      The "war on cutting weight" is agenda based more than a legitimate thing.

                                                                      But like Jibby said the people who miss weight some of them are cheats.
                                                                      I don't watch the news, and I listen to 80% MMA/Sports related podcast, and I have heard more about Demi Levato than I have any weight cutting "agenda" in the past two weeks.

                                                                      The issue lies with the own fighters, so this isn't agenda driven. Fighters themselves are talking about how weight cutting can be a serious health issue. Comparing it to how bad Heroin is, is asinine. From my understanding, MMA doesn't have a huge Heroin problem, thus why would it come up on discussions with MMA? Where is the media going overboard on weight cutting? Do you really want to compare news articles on weight cutting, to Demi Lovato/Heroin in the past two weeks? Everything you said above is pure shit.
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                                                                      • Sanity Check
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 03-30-13
                                                                        • 10962

                                                                        #315
                                                                        Originally posted by HurlSweatPants
                                                                        The issue lies with the own fighters, so this isn't agenda driven. Fighters themselves are talking about how weight cutting can be a serious health issue. Comparing it to how bad Heroin is, is asinine. From my understanding, MMA doesn't have a huge Heroin problem, thus why would it come up on discussions with MMA? Where is the media going overboard on weight cutting? Do you really want to compare news articles on weight cutting, to Demi Lovato/Heroin in the past two weeks? Everything you said above is pure shit.
                                                                        UFC fighters blame the UFC whenever they don't like the healthcare they receive. They think the UFC is to blame for healthcare in the united states being terrible. That's the extent of their medical knowledge on topics like cutting weight.
                                                                        If you know who Matt "The Immoral" Brown is. He got his nickname "The Immortal" by surviving a heroin overdose. If you know who Jarred "Flash" Gordon is, he survived 2-3 heroin overdoses where his heart stopped. If you know who the UFC fighter Josh Samman is, he died from OD'ing on something (think it was heroin) not that long ago.

                                                                        So you see, there are UFC fighters who have had issues and there are many UFC fighters who have died from complications with drugs.

                                                                        All of this goes ignored by the media who continues to insist that weight cutting is the real "dangerous issue". Its an agenda moreso than something which reflects real lyfe.
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