UFC 217: Bisping vs. St-Pierre (November 04, 2017)

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  • JIBBBY
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    • 12-10-09
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    #211
    GSP is almost 37 years old now and hasn't fought in almost 5 years in the Octagon.. Was a WW now he's heavier and fighting bigger fighters.. GSP says he would beat the GSP of years ago.... Hmmmmm?

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    • JC2008
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      #212
      I have a friend who has a friend who trains at Tri-Star, who also reiterated the fact that GSP has lost a few steps... We'll see tonight I guess! You know what you're getting from Bisping at least!
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      • JIBBBY
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        • 12-10-09
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        #213
        ^^ Yep JC, beginning to lean towards Bisping for the win...
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        • Shagdogy
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          #214
          I just can't help but think the gas tank is going to fail him. He's not one to finish early so he's going to have to earn this fight through championship rounds and I have my doubts.

          Impossible to know for sure. I took small plays on Bis TKO/KO, and GSP decision. More just for fun than anything else. I think the only outcome likely to bust that is a Bisping decision.
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          • Shagdogy
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            #215
            There was a card a little while back that was filled with ATT fighters, and if I remember they did pretty well. They had the whole fight camp going, all targeting the same date. Have a similar thing going on with Tristar here. Zahabi, Duffy, GSP. Any others? Wonder if that gives them a little extra?
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            • JIBBBY
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              #216
              Originally posted by Shagdogy
              I just can't help but think the gas tank is going to fail him. He's not one to finish early so he's going to have to earn this fight through championship rounds and I have my doubts.

              Impossible to know for sure. I took small plays on Bis TKO/KO, and GSP decision. More just for fun than anything else. I think the only outcome likely to bust that is a Bisping decision.
              Maybe, but I don't ever remember GSP gassing out in fights though, he's always in great shape...

              All GSP did in past fights years ago is win rounds on points with his wrestling, double leg take downs and top Ground and Pound game...

              If GSP lost a step good luck doing that to Bisping whom has pretty good TD defense and whom will be the larger fighter..

              If GSP can put Bisping on his back in round 1 and keep him there, I like GSP's chances to win rounds and the fight by decision then..

              GSP put very good wrestlers back in the day on their backs...



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              • Hugo de Naranja
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                • 04-14-16
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                #217
                Gall fastest Sub is (+450)
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                • JAKEPEAVY21
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                  #218
                  thinking along the same lines as you guys about Bisping

                  given all the question marks surrounding GSP, I have to go against him on the 4 year layoff alone

                  that said, GSP is the type of athlete and mind that has a better chance than 99% under the same scenario

                  if GSP wins, I'll tip my cap to him but the bet is on Bisping
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                  • JAKEPEAVY21
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                    #219
                    Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                    Gall fastest Sub is (+450)
                    I like that
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                    • JIBBBY
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                      #220
                      Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                      Gall fastest Sub is (+450)
                      Safer to just play the Sub prop itself I think... The Brazilians you always have to worry about landing those subs quickly.. Like in the first fight...

                      1827 Gall wins by submission +181
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                      • TPowell
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                        • 02-21-08
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                        #221
                        Zahabi by DEC is at +280 now. I can't see him winning any other way to be honest.
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                        • JIBBBY
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                          #222
                          Playing the first fight conservatively... Couldn't get a solid read on it.. Hedging big time and just trying to win $50 to start off... Risking $110 to win $50 with this below..

                          $60.00 $102.00 Pending 11/4/17 7:00pm UFC Fighting 2001 Aiemann Zahabi +170* vs Ricardo Ramos
                          hedged

                          $50.00 $110.00 Pending 11/4/17 7:00pm MMA Props Fighting 2031 Ramos wins by submission +220* vs Any other result
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                          • RussianMike
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                            #223
                            Originally posted by JIBBBY
                            Not a bad idea Hugo.. Nice thinking outside the box with the props!!!

                            I'm kinda leaning Bisping finishing GSP if the fight drags on though.. GSP may want out and retire again if he gets into a fire fight and a long drawn out war.... He's been out a very long time now... Fighting is mental and what have you done for me lately.. Ring rust is real too...

                            Bisping while I think he's a bit over rated these days is battle tested and has been a very active fighter.. He's got some pop to his punches and GSP doesn't have a granite jaw either as he has been rocked and dropped in the past..

                            Matt Serra lit up GSP..



                            We all remember this...

                            Interesting that you put those clips up. Don't know about GSP chin these days, but do have to consider that over such a lengthy career for Bisping, that is pretty much the only clip you could find of him displaying even the slightest bit of lead in his hands. He's game opponent, no doubt, and may overwhelm GSP due to his unfamiliarity back in the octagon. But unless GSP fold mentally, KO will be difficult to imagine. Can see him outworking GSP to a unanimous decision. Think Bisping comes in confident, believing his own hype, and presses this fight for sure. Not sure how GSP plays it.
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                            • TPowell
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                              #224
                              Feeling good about this card. Here's what I have

                              Bisping ML -115 for 0.75 units
                              Duffy ML -160 for 2 units
                              Dillashaw ML +165 for 1 unit
                              Hendricks ML +295 for 0.5 units
                              Zahabi by DEC +280 for 0.5 units
                              Harris R1 +110 for 0.5 units
                              Blaydes/Oliynk GTD +150 for 1 unit
                              Oliynk R1 +750 for 0.1 units
                              Blaydes R3 +900 for 0.1 units
                              Dillashaw +5.5 -130 for 1 unit
                              Anderson by DEC +195 for 0.75 units
                              Gall ML -105 for 1 unit
                              Masvidal/Thompson OVER 2.5 and Walt Harris ML -120 for 1 unit


                              OVER 5.5 FGTD +166 for 1 unit
                              OVER 6.5 FGTD +447 for 0.5 units
                              UNDER 1.5 SUBS +154 for 0.5 units
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                              • TPowell
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                                • 18842

                                #225
                                Waiting for Hugo and I'm stealing his formatting for the fights
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                                • dlowilly
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                                  #226
                                  GSP is 37 yr old and hasn't fought in almost 4 years, and has come back for the money most likely.

                                  Have to go with The C unt I mean The Count
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                                  • Hugo de Naranja
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                                    • 04-14-16
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                                    #227
                                    UFC 217: Bisping vs. St-Pierre Picks:
                                    Ion Cutelaba Round 1 TKO (Punches)
                                    Ricardo Ramos Round 1 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
                                    Curtis Blaydes Round 3 TKO (Punches)
                                    Mickey Gall Round 2 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
                                    Corey Anderson Unanimous Decision (30-27, 29-28 x2)
                                    Walt Harris Round 1 KO (Punches)
                                    Joe Duffy Round 1 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
                                    Paulo Borrachinha Round 1 TKO (Punches)
                                    Stephen Thompson Unanimous Decision (30-27, 29-28 x2)
                                    Joanna Jedrzejczyk Unanimous Decision (50-45, 49-46 x2)
                                    Cody Garbrandt Round 1 TKO (Punches)
                                    Georges St-Pierre Unanimous Decision (49-46 x2, 48-47)
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                                    • Hugo de Naranja
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                                      • 04-14-16
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                                      #228
                                      UFC 217: Bisping vs. St-Pierre

                                      Fight Pass Prelims:

                                      Fight #1: Zahabi vs. Ramos
                                      Ramos Submission (+280) 1u

                                      Fight #2: Blaydes vs. Oliynik
                                      Oliynik (+305) 1u
                                      Oliynik Submission (+750) 1u
                                      Oliynik Round 1 (+750) .5u

                                      Hedge(s):
                                      Blaydes Round 2 (+425) .5u
                                      Blaydes Round 3 (+925) .5u

                                      Fox Sports 1 Prelims:

                                      Fight #3: Gall vs. Brown
                                      No Bet

                                      Fight #4: Saint Preux vs. Anderson
                                      Anderson Decision (+220) 1u
                                      Anderson Round 3 (+2000) .25u

                                      Fight #5: Harris vs. Godbeer
                                      Harris+Godbeer Under 1.5 (-125) 1.25u to win 1u

                                      Fight #6: Duffy vs. Vick
                                      Duffy -3.5 (+115) 2u
                                      Duffy Round 1 (+350) .5u
                                      Duffy Submission (+415) .5u
                                      Duffy+Vick Draw (+8500) .2u

                                      Hedge:
                                      Vick Decision (+422) 1u

                                      Main Card:

                                      Fight #7: Borrachinha vs. Hendricks
                                      Borrachinha KO/TKO (-118) 2.36u to win 2u
                                      Borrachinha+Hendricks Under 1.5 (-115) 1.15u to win 1u

                                      Fight #8: Thompson vs. Masvidal
                                      Thompson Decision (+170) 2u

                                      Hedge:
                                      Masvidal KO/TKO (+749) 1u

                                      Fight #9: Jedrzejczyk (C) vs. Namajunas
                                      Jedrzejczyk Unanimous Decision (+145) 3u
                                      Jedrzejczyk Round 3 (+875) .5u
                                      Jedrzejczyk Round 4 (+1250) .25u
                                      Jedrzejczyk Round 5 (+1850) .25u
                                      Jedrzejczyk Submission (+2000) .25u

                                      Hedge(s):
                                      Namajunas Scorecards = No Action (+337) 2u
                                      Namajunas Round 1 (+2400) .25u
                                      Namajunas Round 2 (+2600) .25u

                                      Fight #10: Garbrandt (C) vs. Dillashaw
                                      Garbrandt Decision (+250) 1u
                                      Garbrandt KO/TKO (+260) 2.5u
                                      Garbrandt Unanimous Decision (+335) .5u
                                      Garbrandt Round 1 (+525) .5u
                                      Garbrandt+Dillashaw Draw (+7500) .2u

                                      Hedge(s):
                                      Dillashaw Decision (+275) 1u
                                      Dillashaw Round 4 (+2000) .25u
                                      Dillashaw Round 5 (+2600) .25u

                                      Fight #11: Bisping (C) vs. St-Pierre
                                      St-Pierre (-115) 1.15u to win 1u
                                      St-Pierre -5.5 (+175) 1u
                                      St-Pierre Unanimous Decision (+285) 1u
                                      St-Pierre Unanimous Decision (+330) .5u

                                      Hedge(s):
                                      Bisping Scorecards = No Action (-125) 2.5u to win 2u
                                      Bisping ITD (+300) .5u
                                      Bisping Round 1 (+650) .5u
                                      Bisping Round 4 (+1850) .25u
                                      Bisping Round 5 (+2650) .25u

                                      Straight Parlays:

                                      Cutelaba/Duffy (+102) 2u
                                      Duffy/Borrachinha (+129) 1u
                                      Thompson+Masvidal GD/Jedrzejczyk+Namajunas O3.5 (+140) 2u
                                      Borrachinha/Jedrzejczyk/Thompson/Garbrandt (+405) 1u

                                      Prop Parlays:

                                      Duffy Scorecards = No Action/Jedrzejczyk -5.5 (+122) 3u
                                      Thompson/Jedrzejczyk Decision/Garbrandt ITD (+677) .25u
                                      Ramos+Zahabi WGD/Blaydes+Oliynik WGD/Gall Submission (+762) .25u
                                      Anderson/Harris+Godbeer U1.5/Duffy/Borrachinha+Hendricks U1.5 (+1051) .25u

                                      Full Card Props:
                                      Over 5.5 Fights Go Distance (+152) 1.25u
                                      Garbrandt+Dillashaw FOTN (+225) 1u
                                      Over 6.5 Fights Go Distance (+425) .5u
                                      Borrachinha Fastest KO (+425) 1u
                                      Gall Fastest Sub (+450) 1.5u
                                      Over 7.5 Fights Go Distance (+1368) .25u

                                      Multi-Event Parlays:
                                      None
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                                      • JIBBBY
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                                        #229
                                        Originally posted by RussianMike
                                        Interesting that you put those clips up. Don't know about GSP chin these days, but do have to consider that over such a lengthy career for Bisping, that is pretty much the only clip you could find of him displaying even the slightest bit of lead in his hands. He's game opponent, no doubt, and may overwhelm GSP due to his unfamiliarity back in the octagon. But unless GSP fold mentally, KO will be difficult to imagine. Can see him outworking GSP to a unanimous decision. Think Bisping comes in confident, believing his own hype, and presses this fight for sure. Not sure how GSP plays it.
                                        Bisping had Anderson Silva rocked a few times.. Then again Spiders chin is shot too.. Bisping does punch like a little girl but he has either rocked or dropped 2 of his last 3 opponents..... Is what it is...http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Michael-Bisping-10196



                                        The chin can start to go in your late 30's... We saw that with another UFC veteran legend in Chuck Liddell.. There's been others too.. GSP could possibly get dropped late in this fight? You never know?
                                        Last edited by JIBBBY; 11-04-17, 04:26 PM.
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                                        • JIBBBY
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                                          #230
                                          Here we go, GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!! Get that money!!!
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                                          • Shagdogy
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                                            #231
                                            Ramos -130, 3u
                                            Borrachinha -210, 3u
                                            Duffy -180, 3u
                                            Gall -105, 1.5u
                                            Bisping TKO +315, .5u
                                            GSP decision +200, .5u (will record these two as one bet. W if I cash, L if I don't)
                                            Borrachinha/Duffy/Anderson +367, .5u

                                            I want action on Garbrandt I just don't like where the line has gone. Will see if I add anything. Good luck everyone! PUMPED for this card.
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                                            • Hugo de Naranja
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                                              #232
                                              Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                              Ramos -130, 3u
                                              Borrachinha -210, 3u
                                              Duffy -180, 3u
                                              Gall -105, 1.5u
                                              Bisping TKO +315, .5u
                                              GSP decision +200, .5u (will record these two as one bet. W if I cash, L if I don't)
                                              Borrachinha/Duffy/Anderson +367, .5u

                                              I want action on Garbrandt I just don't like where the line has gone. Will see if I add anything. Good luck everyone! PUMPED for this card.
                                              Looks like we're on lots of the same. GL Brother!
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                                              • Shagdogy
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                                                #233
                                                Zahabi looks his best physically that I've seen.
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                                                • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                  #234
                                                  I think Ramos is the same height as Johny Hendricks lol
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                                                  • Shagdogy
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                                                    #235
                                                    Tough round to score
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                                                    • Shagdogy
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                                                      #236
                                                      Ramos has the edge in every scramble. Force some scrambles!
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                                                      • TPowell
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                                                        #237
                                                        +280 would be a good start. Need Zahabi to keep that crisp striking together and stay AWAY from the scrambles.
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                                                        • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                          #238
                                                          "Early Stoppage"
                                                          -Zahabi bettors
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                                                          • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                            #239
                                                            Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                            Tough round to score
                                                            Nice hit bud!
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                                                            • TPowell
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                                                              #240
                                                              and Ramos lands some crazy BS to win. penetrate me
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                                                              • JIBBBY
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                                                                • 12-10-09
                                                                • 83686

                                                                #241
                                                                Elbow from hell damn!!! Zahabi was winning that fight too.. I thought he was gonna win by decision.. One good shot always changes a fight... I think we were all thinking Sub and not KO..

                                                                Ramos is tough, I'm gonna remember this... I didn't like this fight to bet on and tried to hedge it conservatively and still lost.. LOL.. Down $110 and another slow start.. Errr!!

                                                                Blayeds by decision next for me...
                                                                Last edited by JIBBBY; 11-04-17, 06:29 PM.
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                                                                • Demonata
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                                                                  #242
                                                                  Habits you stupid ducking count gagging winning and then that stupid shot you ducking chum bucket maggot tuck face jazz face
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                                                                  • JIBBBY
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                                                                    • 12-10-09
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                                                                    #243
                                                                    Originally posted by Demonata
                                                                    Habits you stupid ducking count gagging winning and then that stupid shot you ducking chum bucket maggot tuck face jazz face
                                                                    You drunk already Dem? You gonna make it to the main event? ...
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                                                                    • JIBBBY
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                                                                      • 12-10-09
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                                                                      #244
                                                                      Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                                      Ramos -130, 3u
                                                                      Borrachinha -210, 3u
                                                                      Duffy -180, 3u
                                                                      Gall -105, 1.5u
                                                                      Bisping TKO +315, .5u
                                                                      GSP decision +200, .5u (will record these two as one bet. W if I cash, L if I don't)
                                                                      Borrachinha/Duffy/Anderson +367, .5u

                                                                      I want action on Garbrandt I just don't like where the line has gone. Will see if I add anything. Good luck everyone! PUMPED for this card.
                                                                      That was the way to bet it.. Good work on the 3 units Shag!!!! Great call...
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                                                                      • Shagdogy
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                                                                        #245
                                                                        Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                                        That was the way to bet it.. Good work on the 3 units Shag!!!! Great call...
                                                                        Thanks! I feel fortunate. Not the way I saw it going but I will take it.
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