DWCS 7: August 22 8pm EST

**dvb02** · 08-22-17, 08:55 PM

Berzin looks terrible. What a shitty fight

**Shagdogy** · 08-22-17, 08:55 PM

Did Kennedy win round 2? If he had ANY technique with his strikes he coulda put Berzin down. Looked like Berzin was trying to lose. "Oh, this is gonna be a close decision? Let me just throw a butt scoot in there to leave a poor impression for the judges."

**Demonata** · 08-22-17, 08:56 PM

Both suck ass. Weak punched and look like old people fighting over bingo

**dvb02** · 08-22-17, 08:56 PM

Yea, that was pathetic. He should never get another chance in the ufc!

**Hugo de Naranja** · 08-22-17, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

Nzechukwu is a horrendous striker. The fact that he's even in this fight is a serious indictment of Berzin.

Berzin didn't do shit for the second half of the fight. Not much power but at least he was throwing some volume and landing now and again

**Demonata** · 08-22-17, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Berzin didn't do shit for the second half of the fight. Not much power but at least he was throwing some volume and landing now and again

Most exciting part of whole fight was bets on submission attempt first round. Rest was snoozefest

**Shagdogy** · 08-22-17, 09:00 PM

I can't write off Nzechukwu yet. With no training at all, it's not surprising how his technique suffers. I think he can learn to hit with some power once he gets comfortable with his balance and his hips. He's so worried about the takedown, at least in this fight he was, that he didn't commit to any punches at all. I think if he gets better with his balance and hips he will learn to commit to his strikes without feeling too exposed for the takedown. He needs to do a lot of work but at least he has some serious physical gifts.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 08-22-17, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by dvb02

Berzin looks terrible. What a shitty fight

Cashing the big dog makes the shitty fight worth it

**Hugo de Naranja** · 08-22-17, 09:07 PM

Don't like the contract allocation there. Don't think either of those guys deserved it over Santiago

**dvb02** · 08-22-17, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Don't like the contract allocation there. Don't think either of those guys deserved it over Santiago

agree 100%

**Hugo de Naranja** · 08-22-17, 09:51 PM

Dana White’s Contenders Series 7

Fight #1: Urso vs. Espinosa
No Bet

Result: Jordan Espinosa Round 1 Submission (D’Arce Choke)

Fight #2: Cherico vs. Santiago
No Bet

Result: Mike Santiago Round 1 TKO (Punches)

Fight #3: Sanchez vs. Buys
Sanchez+Buys Under 2.5 (-105) +.5u

Result: Joby Sanchez Round 2 TKO (Punches)
Fight: +.5u
Card: +.5u

Fight #4: Lopez vs. Peterson
Peterson (-110) -.55u

Result: Benito Lopez Split Decision (29-28 x2, 28-29)
Fight: -.55u
Card: -.05u

Fight #5: Berzin vs. Nzechukwu
Nzechukwu (+235) +1.175u

Added:
Nzechukwu (+275) +1.375u

Result: Kennedy Nzechukwu Split Decision (29-27 x2, 28-29)
Fight: +2.55u
Final Card Total = +2.5u

**Shagdogy** · 08-22-17, 10:09 PM

Nice job Hugo... I lost a little on my two posted plays here, but yet again managed to chase out a 1u win on the night. I added Peterson small and lost and then bet Nzechukwu at almost 3-1 to end the night +1u.

I know chasing is a pretty terrible strategy but I've had success on every one of these Tuesday nights stringing bets until I steal a small victory.

**firekillex** · 08-23-17, 01:21 AM

that last fight was absolute dog crap lol ..
snoop was talking crap the entire time

**Rich Benjamins** · 08-23-17, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Don't like the contract allocation there. Don't think either of those guys deserved it over Santiago

I think the issue there is the dude Santiago fought gassed. He wasn't prepared to be there, so it wasn't as incredible of a win as it seemed.

**Shagdogy** · 08-23-17, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by Rich Benjamins

I think the issue there is the dude Santiago fought gassed. He wasn't prepared to be there, so it wasn't as incredible of a win as it seemed.

He's on an 11-0 streak with 10 finishes. How does that not get you in the UFC?

**PaperTrail07** · 08-23-17, 11:50 AM

Expected a contract for him as well.....

Originally posted by Shagdogy

He's on an 11-0 streak with 10 finishes. How does that not get you in the UFC?

**Sanity Check** · 08-23-17, 12:40 PM

Alpha Male has gone something like 1-3 over the last 2 shows.

If civil war hasn't broke out in the USA by 2018, I might start keeping tabs on MMA gym W/L.

Some gyms seem like they're prime fade material.

**Shagdogy** · 08-23-17, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by Sanity Check

Alpha Male has gone something like 1-3 over the last 2 shows.

If civil war hasn't broke out in the USA by 2018, I might start keeping tabs on MMA gym W/L.

Some gyms seem like they're prime fade material.

I think the problem is these lower level Alpha Male guys are getting opportunities because they have Faber pushing them on Dana until he puts them on Contender series. Some just weren't ready but got the opportunity anyway.

**PaperTrail07** · 08-23-17, 01:24 PM

100% Kid was way to young .......even the W said Well see him in the UFC soon....

Originally posted by Shagdogy

I think the problem is these lower level Alpha Male guys are getting opportunities because they have Faber pushing them on Dana until he puts them on Contender series. Some just weren't ready but got the opportunity anyway.

**Sanity Check** · 08-23-17, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

I think the problem is these lower level Alpha Male guys are getting opportunities because they have Faber pushing them on Dana until he puts them on Contender series. Some just weren't ready but got the opportunity anyway.

In the 1st round when JP Buys had Joby Sanchez' back, his corner tells him to lock on a body triangle and squeeze the shit out of him.

A lot of the time, you'll see guys unlock the body triangle and stand in that position when they have someone's back knowing if they hold the triangle they'll gas out their legs.

That might have been a bad call from Buys' corner. Alpha male cornering/training might not be up to scratch.

**PaperTrail07** · 08-23-17, 01:37 PM

I mean he should be able to hold the body triangle IMO....but squeeze the shit out of him....NO....lol.....anytime you have to opp to lock in a body tri.....you do it...that simple IMO..

Originally posted by Sanity Check

In the 1st round when JP Buys had Joby Sanchez' back, his corner tells him to lock on a body triangle and squeeze the shit out of him.

A lot of the time, you'll see guys unlock the body triangle and stand in that position when they have someone's back knowing if they hold the triangle they'll gas out their legs.

That might have been a bad call from Buys' corner. Alpha male cornering/training might not be up to scratch.

**Sanity Check** · 08-23-17, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by PaperTrail07

I mean he should be able to hold the body triangle IMO....but squeeze the shit out of him....NO....lol.....anytime you have to opp to lock in a body tri.....you do it...that simple IMO..

If you ever get bored and have nothing to do.

Watch the Daniel Kelly vs Antonio Carlos Jr. fight.

Carlos Jr. has Daniel Kelly's back for almost the entire 1st round with a body triangle locked in.

Carlos Jr. gases out his legs from the body triangle and loses the fight.

The chances of gasing out legs from a body triangle while the opponent is standing are much worse than when the fight is on the ground.

That could have been a straight up bad call by JP Buys' corner.

**PaperTrail07** · 08-23-17, 02:13 PM

When you move into higher weights I MIGHT in some cases agree with you.....but a young kid at 125....should hold that for fuckn days if you want to be a winner in the UFC......ACJ......can totally see that happening...and DK could use his hands good enough to defend.....rare a body triangle does not means bad things for your opponent....Misvidal also defended it well as maia hung on him (and didnt gas ) lol...QUOTE=Sanity Check;27163903]If you ever get bored and have nothing to do.

Watch the Daniel Kelly vs Antonio Carlos Jr. fight.

Carlos Jr. has Daniel Kelly's back for almost the entire 1st round with a body triangle locked in.

Carlos Jr. gases out his legs from the body triangle and loses the fight.

The chances of gasing out legs from a body triangle while the opponent is standing are much worse than when the fight is on the ground.

That could have been a straight up bad call by JP Buys' corner.[/QUOTE]

**PaperTrail07** · 08-23-17, 02:14 PM

Not like its easy to hold someone either...little gassing there as well....

**Sanity Check** · 08-23-17, 02:59 PM

When you watch MMA in the future.

Watch how many times someone has a body triangle from the back standing.

Notice how many times you see them release the triangle.

**PaperTrail07** · 08-23-17, 03:04 PM

Most of the times it is pulled it goes to the ground instantly from the weight and or rear naked scramble......but yes....if after a bit its going nowhere..people do give it up.....Maia Didn't....

Originally posted by Sanity Check

When you watch MMA in the future.

Watch how many times someone has a body triangle from the back standing.

Notice how many times you see them release the triangle.

**PaperTrail07** · 08-23-17, 03:05 PM

I will keep my eye on it....

Still think that kid was too young to toss in there.....Will he be OK--yes.....but the ego could be stung a little ....

**Demonata** · 08-23-17, 05:04 PM

I was 0/4 at my picks this card. Didn't even pick the main event.

**Shagdogy** · 08-23-17, 06:04 PM

Disagree about Buys gassing. I don't think it was the body triangle. It was the fact that he's 21 with all fights against crap competition, had barely ever fought in the 2nd round let alone been pushed, and was hyped with adrenaline at the shot to make the UFC. He wasn't ready. Meanwhile, Joby has been there done that. Has had big fights, fought tough guys, been on the big stage... this mountain was too big for JP to climb.

**Shagdogy** · 08-23-17, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

Urso -255, 3u
Santiago +135, 1u

That's all for now... might play around a little while drinking and watching. I have fun with these Tuesdays.

Card Total: 1-1, -1.65u

YTD: 79-67, +19.31u

Took a small hit on my two posted plays, but like I said earlier I strung some bets together and ended up winning 1u on the night by stabbing at Nzechukwu. Terrible fight but got the job done. Anyway, I won't include those in the record keeping since I didn't post here prior.

**Sanity Check** · 08-24-17, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

Disagree about Buys gassing. I don't think it was the body triangle. It was the fact that he's 21 with all fights against crap competition, had barely ever fought in the 2nd round let alone been pushed, and was hyped with adrenaline at the shot to make the UFC. He wasn't ready. Meanwhile, Joby has been there done that. Has had big fights, fought tough guys, been on the big stage... this mountain was too big for JP to climb.

Squeezing someone in a body triangle for 5 minutes in a real fight with gas out anyone's legs.

Unless they train to control their squeeze and not exert themselves too much. What often happens is they'll squeeze at full strength and not realize they have something like a death grip on their opponent & it will tire them out.

Hopefully there will be some UFC fights with back takes standing soon so you guys can see that most people opt not to latch on a body triangle in a standing position, to avoid gasing out their legs.

Buys shouldn't have gased out in 1 round. He rode Joby Sanchez' back a significant portion of the round. Sanchez should have been more tired he was carrying Buys weight.

**JIBBBY** · 08-24-17, 10:36 AM

Shit, I forgot about this.. I completely missed out.. Looks like some of you guys cashed with this.. GOOD JOB!!

**Sanity Check** · 09-17-17, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Sanity Check

In the 1st round when JP Buys had Joby Sanchez' back, his corner tells him to lock on a body triangle and squeeze the shit out of him.

A lot of the time, you'll see guys unlock the body triangle and stand in that position when they have someone's back knowing if they hold the triangle they'll gas out their legs.

That might have been a bad call from Buys' corner. Alpha male cornering/training might not be up to scratch.

Finally got proof for what I was saying about the standing body triangle from the back gasing out someones legs.

In the Uriah Hall vs Krzysztof Jotko fight. There's a sequence in the 1st round where Jotko has Uriah Hall's back and he locks in a body triangle.

You can hear Dominick Cruz commentate on how much that takes and the danger of someone gasing out their legs unfortunately the fight hits the mat before Jotko can gas his legs out, or Cruz can finish what he was saying.

Also when Jotko stands back up afterward, you can see his legs are very gased from holding the body triangle.