UFC 214: Cormier vs. Jones 2 (July 29, 2017)

**Shagdogy** · 07-30-17, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

Hedging the parlay to make something of this mess of a night:

Jones/Cormier u1.5 (+150), 2.33u

Coulda hedged this parlay for a guaranteed 1.27u profit on the night, but instead I hedged for bigger profit on the over. That was stupid. Ended night dead even and gave away 1.27u. Don't do that.

**TPowell** · 07-30-17, 09:44 AM

Kicking myself for not playing Ortega R3 at +1800. Was his only shot and I had good money on Moicano.

**stevebets90** · 07-30-17, 09:58 AM

Can someone provide what the avg odds were for Jones to win via UD?

**Demonata** · 07-30-17, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by TPowell

Kicking myself for not playing Ortega R3 at +1800. Was his only shot and I had good money on Moicano.

Well the odds of that happening was very unlikely. Only reason it happened was because moicano made a dumb mistake.

**JIBBBY** · 07-30-17, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by Demonata

Well the odds of that happening was very unlikely. Only reason it happened was because moicano made a dumb mistake.

Agreed, Moicano was probably on his way to a decision win but he did make a mistake.. Ortega did look improved though but you can't bank on fighters coming on in 3rd rounds to comeback and win fights.. That's not gonna happen very often..

**JIBBBY** · 07-30-17, 10:40 AM

Well this event was fun to watch.. Got off to hot start then lost my big bets in Knight and Barao which killed all my early profits.. I struggled the rest of the card very hit and miss. I call this event a wash but I should have lost it in all truth. I didn't only because I chased late by playing JJ straight for big money so I was able to survive it.. Not happy about my play with this event or the last one.. Errrr!!!!

Good fights though and a stacked card and it was entertaining..

Maia not winning by Submission and T-Wood not winning ITD was a real killer as well for my bank roll.. JJ beating DC saved me in the end.. If that Jon Jones win didn't happen I would have lost a ton of money..

Will have to think of a new Avatar picture now

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**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 07-30-17, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Now Dana saying GSP/Bisping is back on. Ugh..... Wtf? Why?

Dana really went off on Woodley, said he made the decision to pull GSP from that fight in the 5th round when Woodley was boo'd out of the arena, and how that fight set a record for least amount of punches thrown in a 5 round title fight

**JIBBBY** · 07-30-17, 10:53 AM

^^ I think the 2 most disappointing fights for Dana White ever involved Demian Maia, first with Anderson Silva and now with TWood..

Dana hates runners and that's what T-Wood did last night.. He didn't fight to finish the fight he fought to stay on his feet and that's about it.. A few punches here and there to win on points while Demian Maia came forward..

That fight was a joke.. UFC champions should fight to win and finish to try and please the paying fans, they should not run the entire fight to avoid the ground and barely win rounds on points.. They shouldn't grab the fence either to avoid being taken down...

Fans boo'd and the boss is pissed off now.. Congrats T-Wood you're now officially a boring fighter..

**yisman** · 07-30-17, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Wonder what the odds will be. Think Woodley small favorite.

Woodley would definitely be favored, if it even happens

**UncleChael** · 07-30-17, 01:03 PM

That was all Ortega's fight from start to finish.. You guys are high as a fukking kite!

**Hugo de Naranja** · 07-30-17, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by brooks85

lets do it, +400 is a ridiculously good line for something is inevitable lol

And why would DC retire? Makes no sense unless he has plans to open a pot shop like anthony johnson. Or unless DC hates money he isn't retiring. But, that would be terrible for UFC to have 2 of the top 3 guys retire early. Jones will have no one left to fight except gustaffson.

Alright sounds good. 100 to win 400?

**Hugo de Naranja** · 07-30-17, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

Coulda hedged this parlay for a guaranteed 1.27u profit on the night, but instead I hedged for bigger profit on the over. That was stupid. Ended night dead even and gave away 1.27u. Don't do that.

Don't kick yourself over that. Over seemed more likely coming in.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 07-30-17, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by TPowell

Kicking myself for not playing Ortega R3 at +1800. Was his only shot and I had good money on Moicano.

I think it's a must play everytime he fights

**Hugo de Naranja** · 07-30-17, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by UncleChael

That was all Ortega's fight from start to finish.. You guys are high as a fukking kite!

https://twitter.com/mikefridley?lang=en

All three judges had it 19-19 going into R3

**Demonata** · 07-30-17, 01:17 PM

Yeah I hate woodley. I think ponzinhibio or Colby Covington could beat him. Also Robbie lawlor constant pressure.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 07-30-17, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Agreed, Moicano was probably on his way to a decision win but he did make a mistake.. Ortega did look improved though but you can't bank on fighters coming on in 3rd rounds to comeback and win fights.. That's not gonna happen very often..

Ortega's striking was so much better than in previous fights

**brooks85** · 07-30-17, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Alright sounds good. 100 to win 400?

it's on, you better hope DC retires

**firekillex** · 07-30-17, 01:59 PM

DC made a million for that fight plus PPV , he can retire and be set now he has nobody to fight unless he goes up to HW and does a couple superfights before he hangs it up.... hes done at 205 though imo

**Hugo de Naranja** · 07-30-17, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by brooks85

it's on, you better hope DC retires

Time limit on this one?

**brooks85** · 07-30-17, 02:32 PM

It can stay open, rematch will be next year anyways. Or we can end at 2018 if you want.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 07-30-17, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by brooks85

It can stay open, rematch will be next year anyways. Or we can end at 2018 if you want.

How about you pay if DC retires or they haven't fought by Christmas 2018? I'll pay the second they both step in the cage if they fight for a third time. Does this work?

**Shagdogy** · 07-30-17, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Ortega's striking was so much better than in previous fights

It really was. But why did Moicano hang in the pocket and bang with him? He woulda had a much easier time if he fought Ortega the way he fought Stephens. Also prob wouldn't have found himself shooting for a takedown in the 3rd. Oh well. Even still I think he won the 2nd clearly and was on his way to winning the 3rd. Round 1 was definitely Ortega.

**JIBBBY** · 07-30-17, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

DC made a million for that fight plus PPV , he can retire and be set now he has nobody to fight unless he goes up to HW and does a couple superfights before he hangs it up.... hes done at 205 though imo

DC should move up to HW if he hangs around.. He'd probably win the title and own that division.. Maybe Cain could out work and beat DC.. DC will be short, old and fat though for the HW division..

DC should maybe consider retiring, he's got money and the desk job on the show. This is a young mans sport and he's near 40 years of age now like Demain Maia. Both are near done.. It's only down hill from here physically and then the reaction time and chin start to go also.. Not good in this sport of MMA...

You hang around in Boxing or MMA too long you will start getting knocked out.. Concussions come with that..

**firekillex** · 07-30-17, 06:38 PM

lol cain and DC would never fight.... thats why he left heavyweight in the first place.. but he should go to HW for some big name fights he could definitely beat a ton of guys in the top 10 there... DC has a ton left imo but Jones is to good and itll be tough to fight 1-2 more top guys at 205 which hed win both imo but the 1.5 year wait almost to win those then get back to Jones hell be slowly getting worse by then imo , hes easily still top 3 LHW and would be top 5-6 HW imo right now though if he continued fighting

he was actually doing very well against jones and it was 19-19 going into round 3 before he got tagged that fight wouldve been very very interesting if it kept going, he landed some HUGE punches on Jones even he acknowledged after , Jones lucky he has a solid chin or it couldve got real dicey for him

**Shagdogy** · 07-30-17, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

In fact, I'll just post these now to discourage myself from making any more plays:

Woodley -200, 3u
Moicano -155, 2u
Knight -127, 1.27u
Brooks -153, 1.02u
Lawlor by TKO +165, 1u
Manuwa/Oezdemir o1.5 +130, 1u

Parlay: Kattar+Sterling+Jones/Cormier o4.5, +1221, .66u

Good luck everyone! I feel like I probably coulda went with Woodley and Moicano and called it a day, but oh well. Got excited.

Hedging the parlay to make something of this mess of a night:
Jones/Cormier u1.5 (+150), 2.33u

Card Total: 3-4 (counting the parlay as a win since it profited), -0.28u
YTD: 73-61, +17.41u

**Hugo de Naranja** · 07-30-17, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

It really was. But why did Moicano hang in the pocket and bang with him? He woulda had a much easier time if he fought Ortega the way he fought Stephens. Also prob wouldn't have found himself shooting for a takedown in the 3rd. Oh well. Even still I think he won the 2nd clearly and was on his way to winning the 3rd. Round 1 was definitely Ortega.

I think all three judges had Round 1 Moicano, Round 2 Ortega actually

**Shagdogy** · 07-30-17, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

I think all three judges had Round 1 Moicano, Round 2 Ortega actually

Damn need to rewatch that. Was at the bar. May have been distracted.

**brooks85** · 07-30-17, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

How about you pay if DC retires or they haven't fought by Christmas 2018? I'll pay the second they both step in the cage if they fight for a third time. Does this work?

sounds good

**Hugo de Naranja** · 07-30-17, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by brooks85

sounds good

Released a statement not mentioning retirement explicitly

**JIBBBY** · 07-30-17, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

lol cain and DC would never fight.... thats why he left heavyweight in the first place.. but he should go to HW for some big name fights he could definitely beat a ton of guys in the top 10 there... DC has a ton left imo but Jones is to good and itll be tough to fight 1-2 more top guys at 205 which hed win both imo but the 1.5 year wait almost to win those then get back to Jones hell be slowly getting worse by then imo , hes easily still top 3 LHW and would be top 5-6 HW imo right now though if he continued fighting

he was actually doing very well against jones and it was 19-19 going into round 3 before he got tagged that fight wouldve been very very interesting if it kept going, he landed some HUGE punches on Jones even he acknowledged after , Jones lucky he has a solid chin or it couldve got real dicey for him

DC will never beat JJ.. His only hope to get a belt is go up to HW again.. He should retire if he doesn't want to go up to HW.. Cain has back problems and he may be done in the sport soon if I had to guess.. DC may be able to avoid Cain.. He should still fight him regardless as this isn't a team sport and friends sometimes have to fight friends.. Just the nature of the beast...

It's your job and it's what you do.. Shouldn't matter who you have to fight.. You're not gonna kill your friend in the cage, you're just gonna beat his ass and then befriends after again.. Not the end of the world for either fighter..

**firekillex** · 07-30-17, 11:18 PM

DC was basically tied with Jones before that head kick in round 3 and landed the much bigger shots... people gotta give credit when credit is due

And its not anything to avoid DC would never never fight Cain i can basically guarantee that lol, if you train with somebody for your entire career and have shed blood , sweat and tears, won championships together, and call eachother family its completely different ... Sparring is to get better together while you sharpen eachothers swords at the gym, fighting in a real MMA fight you are taking bread from the other persons family / table, id give you 10k points to 100 bet that theyd never fight lolll

**GunShard** · 07-31-17, 05:49 AM

DC should fight in the middleweight division. Interesting to see him fight Whitaker, Rockhold or Weidman.

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 07-31-17, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by GunShard

DC should fight in the middleweight division. Interesting to see him fight Whitaker, Rockhold or Weidman.

DC can barely make 205

**brooks85** · 07-31-17, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Released a statement not mentioning retirement explicitly

I just read it, sounds like he is thinking straight again and ready to get back in the octagon. The distance between JJ and DC to the rest of the division is wide. Gustafsson is close and clearly needs to get rematch with JJ but after that it will be DC next in line.

Handicapping a potential third fight and given DC will be a big dog, I'm inclined to back him. I'll take DC and jones by decision.

**JIBBBY** · 07-31-17, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

Dana really went off on Woodley, said he made the decision to pull GSP from that fight in the 5th round when Woodley was boo'd out of the arena, and how that fight set a record for least amount of punches thrown in a 5 round title fight

The 7:10 mark Dana says "no one wants to see Woodley fight", he says no risk no reward.. Damn Dana White really laid into Woodley..

Woodley vs GSP would be an interesting fight if GSP fought like the old GSP.. He's a wrestling based fighter and Woodley is almost impossible to take down.. Dana pulled the plug on that though..