UFC 196: McGregor vs. Diaz (March 05, 2016)

**JoshKnows46** · 03-03-16, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by plekz

That Latifi have shown poor fight iq in the past, comes from a less then stellar camp, and that while he has power he's not very defensively sound. Villante also hits hard, comes from a good camp, and if this becomes a fire fight then it's a cointoss really who lands first.

Don't think Nunes is a lock either, if it goes further then the first she very well could lose a decision, her way to victory is reliant on her getting td's, on the feet Shevchenko is a fair bit better.

How in the fk you can cap a fight that most likely plays out with two 205+ pound dudes swinging until one of them drop as a 'lock' for either side is beyond me.

A fire fight favors latifi, he also has the option to take it to the ground, he has the better chin imo, waa hurt by a body kick and knee in his two tko loses.

Yes shev is technically the better striker, but her punches are soft as kittens, she has nothing to stop nunes forward pressure, nunes is too strong and powerful for her, she's also at a massive disadvantage on the ground and for some reason she likes to take fights down, even though she makes countless mistakes, if nunes gets top position, she will be helpless to get up, shes lost on the ground,and nunes gnp is destructive, there's no path to victory for shev, on the ground or standing.

**PaperTrail07** · 03-03-16, 04:26 PM

LMFAO 100%......I was like "ITS HAPPENING " lol......So sad the best in the game lost the will to FIGHT

Originally posted by JoshKnows46

I mean the only way he loses is if he stands against the octagon for 4 minutes per round and does absolutly nothing but a little dancing, no way he would do that right lmao that fight is gonna take me a while to get over.

**JC2008** · 03-03-16, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by mirinquads

If he had just thrown his rear straight. It could not miss. Instead he throws sloppy hooks (Anderson throwing sloppy hooks... Bizarro world)

I dont know what that fight was.. But even Anderson fighting in the worst possible way.. won the fight. And i was on bisping decision.. Disgusting fight to watch.

He really could not miss with the straight left.

**plekz** · 03-03-16, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

All in all

Mizuno and Newton to name two.

**PaperTrail07** · 03-03-16, 04:28 PM

100% nailed it

Originally posted by mirinquads

If he had just thrown his rear straight. It could not miss. Instead he throws sloppy hooks (Anderson throwing sloppy hooks... Bizarro world)

I dont know what that fight was.. But even Anderson fighting in the worst possible way.. won the fight. And i was on bisping decision.. Disgusting fight to watch.

**JIBBBY** · 03-03-16, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by All_Or_Nothing

Not so sure about Nunes & Latifi. We will know soon enough.

I agree..

I was originally on Nunes at first thought but after watching fight vid and learning more about her opponent I had a change of heart. I flipped the switch on that fight..

$150.00

$165.00

Pending

3/5/16 10:00pm UFC Fighting 1401 Valentina Shevchenko +110* <small>vs</small> Amanda Nunes

I still am a no play with the Latifi fight as Villante is no push over.. Not confident with the much shorter man in this one as Gian has KO power himself..

The only play I have locked down so far for the Latifi fight is someone is going to sleep.. Odds suck ass on the unders though

1204 Fight won’t go 3 round distance

<input id="editx" name="M2_65" size="4"> -280

1236 Fight won’t start round 3

<input id="editx" name="M2_81" size="4"> -166

<small>UFC 196 - Light Heavyweight 3 rounds - MGM Grand Garden Arena - Las Vegas, Nevada - PPV</small>
Sat 3/5	1201 Gian Villante	<input id="radiox" value="M1_2" name="radiox" type="radio">+170	<input id="radiox" value="L1_2" name="radiox" type="radio">o1½ -115
11:00PM	1202 Ilir Latifi	<input id="radiox" value="M2_2" name="radiox" type="radio">-200	<input id="radiox" value="L2_2" name="radiox" type="radio">u1½ -105

**PaperTrail07** · 03-03-16, 04:32 PM

Agree the fire fight favors latifi.....chin is SOLID...hits like a truck and he would LOVE a wild fight.....that happens my over 1.5 is cooked and GV will be going out on a stretcher....GV needs to keep his distance and counter the bull rushes.....then as Latifi gasses.....start walking foward and using leg kicks.....thats how he COULD do it...no lock but Latifi has the easier path to victory than GV....it would take quite the performance from GV but he COULD do it...

Originally posted by JoshKnows46

A fire fight favors latifi, he also has the option to take it to the ground, he has the better chin imo, waa hurt by a body kick and knee in his two tko loses.

Yes shev is technically the better striker, but her punches are soft as kittens, she has nothing to stop nunes forward pressure, nunes is too powerful for here, she's also at a massive disadvantage on the ground and for some reason she likes to take fights down, even though she makes countless mistakes, if nunes gets top position, she will be helpless to get up, and nunes gnp is destructive, there's no path to victory for shev, on the ground or standing.

**PaperTrail07** · 03-03-16, 04:32 PM

Over 1.5 JIBBBY....that and the Silva OVER.....take your Silva Over winnings and bet them on that......I owe you one JIBBERS

**plekz** · 03-03-16, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by JoshKnows46

A fire fight favors latifi, he also has the option to take it to the ground, he has the better chin imo, waa hurt by a body kick and knee in his two tko loses.

Fire fight arguably favors Latifi because of his shorter reach which lends themselves to close quarters, but to cap a fight that most likely plays out as just that, a fire fight as a 'lock' for either side imo makes no sense really.

And Nunes either gets it done in the first or she very well could go on to lose a decision.

**PaperTrail07** · 03-03-16, 04:34 PM

Kinda why I like the over 1.5 Plekz...if GV does not circle....they will tie up and slow the fight down..

Originally posted by plekz

Fire fight arguably favors Latifi because of his shorter reach which lends themselves to close quarters, but to cap a fight that most likely plays out as just that, a fire fight as a 'lock' for either side imo makes no sense really.

And Nunes either gets it done in the first or she very well could go on to lose a decision.

**JoshKnows46** · 03-03-16, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by mirinquads

If he had just thrown his rear straight. It could not miss. Instead he throws sloppy hooks (Anderson throwing sloppy hooks... Bizarro world)

I dont know what that fight was.. But even Anderson fighting in the worst possible way.. won the fight. And i was on bisping decision.. Disgusting fight to watch.

Agreed

**JoshKnows46** · 03-03-16, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by plekz

Fire fight arguably favors Latifi because of his shorter reach which lends themselves to close quarters, but to cap a fight that most likely plays out as just that, a fire fight as a 'lock' for either side imo makes no sense really.

And Nunes either gets it done in the first or she very well could go on to lose a decision.

Hard to see it getting out the first, but I disagree, shev can't win a dec, no way no how. Nunes has 3 paths to victory, shev has none.

**plekz** · 03-03-16, 04:41 PM

Bisping won that fight 3 - 2, and Andersons corner should be ashamed of themselves for giving corner advice that would make the 'Diaz' corner men proud.

One could argue Herb should have aired on the side of caution though and stopped it after the knee.

**JIBBBY** · 03-03-16, 04:43 PM

Probably will just end up rolling with the Under 1.5 at -105 in the Latifi fight.. I'm not gonna try to get cute picking a winner in this one.. Latifi by KO or Villante by KO are probably the most likely outcomes though.. May end up hedging between both of these props below..

1229 Villante wins by TKO/KO

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1233 Latifi wins by TKO/KO

<input id="editx" name="M1_80" size="4"> +125

Both these guys win most of their fights by KO, both have some pop....http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Gian-Villante-42802

**bjpenn85** · 03-03-16, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by plekz

Mizuno and Newton to name two.

A fight from 2009 and 2011. Well done. Why didnt you find a fight from before christ? or before the universe was created? Hold as much credibility.

**JoshKnows46** · 03-03-16, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by plekz

Bisping won that fight 3 - 2, and Andersons corner should be ashamed of themselves for giving corner advice that would make the 'Diaz' corner men proud.

One could argue Herb should have aired on the side of caution though and stopped it after the knee.

I agree on the bisping dec, but you could also say it's a draw based on a 10 8 third round. Anderson lost by inactivity, don't think it was a bad dec, I knew he lost when he didn't come out for the kill in the 4th.

**plekz** · 03-03-16, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

A fight from 2009 and 2011. Well done. Why didnt you find a fight from before christ? or before the universe was created? Hold as much credibility.

Sucks when people have answers and you've done your best to play Billy Cool right? Compare him technique wise then and now and it's not like he's made any astronomical leaps at all, and a person isn't all of a sudden gonna 'learn' proper cage awareness and fight iq when they hit 30+

**plekz** · 03-03-16, 05:31 PM

seen this yet josh?

**JoshKnows46** · 03-03-16, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by plekz

seen this yet josh?

No I don't watch fight prediction videos, or read articles, I don't like outside opinions clouding my thought process and what I see from watching tape, I trust in what I see. Can u summarize what u want me to hear?

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 03-03-16, 06:03 PM

**JIBBBY** · 03-03-16, 06:14 PM

^^^Nate trying hard to play head games with McGregor with the stance.. Lol.. He's lucky McGregor didn't drop him right there.. I always laugh when I see Dana White trying to hold back the fighters.. Lol..

McGregor is gonna punish Nate for doing that!!

**5918mike** · 03-03-16, 06:15 PM

They aren't touching gloves before this fight!

**JoshKnows46** · 03-03-16, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

Yup, probable won't have a glove touch now.

**brooks85** · 03-03-16, 06:25 PM

oh I just hope this fight lives up to even some of its potential after conor's last "fight."

**JIBBBY** · 03-03-16, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by JoshKnows46

Yes shev is technically the better striker, but her punches are soft as kittens, she has nothing to stop nunes forward pressure, nunes is too strong and powerful for her, she's also at a massive disadvantage on the ground and for some reason she likes to take fights down, even though she makes countless mistakes, if nunes gets top position, she will be helpless to get up, shes lost on the ground,and nunes gnp is destructive, there's no path to victory for shev, on the ground or standing.

I gotta disagree with this comment of yours Josh.. I think Nunes can get out pointed and lose by decision... To go along with my straight play I also hit this for a 50 spot..

$50.00

$152.50

Pending

3/5/16 10:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1407 Shevchenko wins by 3 round decision +305* <small>vs</small> Not Shevchenko by 3 round decision

**plekz** · 03-03-16, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by JoshKnows46

No I don't watch fight prediction videos, or read articles, I don't like outside opinions clouding my thought process and what I see from watching tape, I trust in what I see. Can u summarize what u want me to hear?

chick v chick - ruebusch on nunes no gastank (which is true) shev very solid defensively and offensively, if it goes past the first nunes probably loses a decision.

hydrant v goof-ball - villante tends to lose focus when he gets ahead in later rounds of fights, ilir doesn't throw combinations (which is true) latifi extremly reliant on other people leading (which is also true) and to catch people advancing on him.

all his losses are to people who just kept him at distance and picked him apart until they either finished him or they took a decision home (which is also true)

both agree that it's basicly a coinflip due to both them having huge deficiets as fighters. latifi that he's so reliant on his counter right and someone else leading, and villante that he just does dumb sh1t all of a sudden (like when he managed to get himself ko'd against lawlor)

**JIBBBY** · 03-03-16, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by brooks85

oh I just hope this fight lives up to even some of its potential after conor's last "fight."

McGregor is gonna do a Josh Thompson job on Nate..

**Killer_Demo** · 03-03-16, 06:40 PM

Damn i wish i could make it. Irish drunk guys easy target to starch and make $$$ from

**bjpenn85** · 03-03-16, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by plekz

Sucks when people have answers and you've done your best to play Billy Cool right? Compare him technique wise then and now and it's not like he's made any astronomical leaps at all, and a person isn't all of a sudden gonna 'learn' proper cage awareness and fight iq when they hit 30+

Im not so sure you have made your point other to refer to a fight 6-7 years ago which not necessarily holds any value.

What does ilir latifi does in these fights that make you believe he has bad fighter iq now and then?

Villante is a huge disappointment in all areas though, maybe even more in the fight iq department.

**Sato** · 03-03-16, 07:23 PM

Diaz needs all the brain cells he has left. Please be understanding Conor!

**plekz** · 03-03-16, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

Im not so sure you have made your point other

If you have a pattern of ways that a fighter have consistently lost throughout his entire career, without there ever being signs of improvement in this area, then said fighter have poor fight iq as they are unable to adapt to situations presented to them.

All Latifis losses have come the same type of way.

And quite frankly it's embarassing to have to explain this to anyone.

Gian Villante on the other hand is a technically sound kickboxer (considering he has only been doing mma since 2009) and he's shown improvement in these areas. His biggest problem is that he loses focus in fights when he's ahead, basicly he lacks the ability to 'cruise' it's as if he gets bored if things are going his way and it's to easy and he'll instead and try and be flashy just for the sake of it.

Like when he tried a three punch combo and ran into Lawlors fist.

**TPowell** · 03-03-16, 07:45 PM

A dumb guy fighting a guy that LOVES to crack with a powerful counter right hand is never a good bet IMO

**plekz** · 03-03-16, 07:49 PM

Villante has a very clear way to victory though, that going by Latifis entire career Ilir would have huge problems finding a solution too, the rub comes with trusting Villante to do this for 15 minutes.

But in no way is a guy who can't lead to save his life and who doesn't throw combinations a 'lock' against a technically sound kickboxer. Villante has good bodykicks and very good legkicks. And he has power.

**All_Or_Nothing** · 03-03-16, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

I gotta disagree with this comment of yours Josh.. I think Nunes can get out pointed and lose by decision... To go along with my straight play I also hit this for a 50 spot..

$50.00

$152.50

Pending

3/5/16 10:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1407 Shevchenko wins by 3 round decision +305* <small>vs</small> Not Shevchenko by 3 round decision

Nunes TKO @ +305 or Shevchenko Dec @ +305 is the play.

**All_Or_Nothing** · 03-03-16, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by plekz

Villante has a very clear way to victory though, that going by Latifis entire career Ilir would have huge problems finding a solution too, the rub comes with trusting Villante to do this for 15 minutes.

But in no way is a guy who can't lead to save his life and who doesn't throw combinations a 'lock' against a technically sound kickboxer. Villante has good bodykicks and very good legkicks. And he has power.

Most if not all of Latifi's losses have been vs fighters who do not come forward. On paper it looks good for Gian. Gian can use jabs & leg kicks from the outside. The problem is that at some point in the fight he will probably check out mentally & get KO'd. Staying away from this one. Maybe will play Villante +3.5.