Floyd Mayweather vs Canelo Alvarez betting odds and preview

**Mac4Lyfe** · 08-24-13, 09:58 PM

I think a match can be fixed but that's in any sport. What fight do you think was rigged?

Originally posted by marcoloco

^^
You dont think boxing is rigged?

**CoachJB** · 08-24-13, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

I think a match can be fixed but that's in any sport. What fight do you think was rigged?

Pac man vs Bradley was biggest fix I've seen in my 30 years of following boxing..

**CoachJB** · 08-24-13, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Mayweather has too much power in Vegas

He cannot lose

You're delusional. Wake up Corbin!

**hougigo** · 08-25-13, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

I think a match can be fixed but that's in any sport. What fight do you think was rigged?

Lots of fights always got those crazy ass scorecards. Hell, Berto/Soto Karass had whack cards going into the 12... and almost every card in germany is whack.
AA vs Shilempo earlier today... close fight that wasn't reflected so much on the cards

**Mac4Lyfe** · 08-25-13, 02:08 PM

You know... I initially thought Pac Man got robbed when I saw the fight with a room full of people who had money on Manny (myself included). A few days later, I rewatched the fight and turned off the dumb HBO announcers and you know what? I saw the fight a lot differently. I then saw it a third time and I had Bradley winning that fight 2 out of the 3 times I watched it. Look at that fight again, without the sound and tell me if you see differently.

Boxing can be very subjective, especially in a close match. Different camera angles show and hide a lot. Also, announcers seeing one thing and missing another can skew what you think you see as well. Now I know there's fixes wherever money is involved but I don't think it's all a huge conspiracy like we want to make it. Wouldn't the odds change pretty quick if somebody like Mayweather tried to fix a fight and put up millions in a sportsbook?

Originally posted by CoachJB

Pac man vs Bradley was biggest fix I've seen in my 30 years of following boxing..

**Mac4Lyfe** · 08-25-13, 02:24 PM

I didn't see anything hugely wrong about Boto/Soto Karass scorecards. Texas judges are not as experienced as NV and have been known to miss a round or 2.

The cards were...

Judging:
Cathy Leonard 105 - 103

Hubert Minn 104 - 104

Michael Mitchell 103 - 105

I had it 105 - 103 Soto Karass based purely on points. If you score it on beatdown then Soto Karass would have been way ahead. Do you count when Berto knocked down Soto Karass a 10-8, if you did then Berto closed the gap late and made it a very close fight. I don't see how Dr Cathy Leonard had Berto leading. That was just bad (not egregious) but I wasn't sitting in her seat.

If you give or take a round then you can come up with those score. To me that does not spell fix. Now if there was a lot of rounds disparity then that would be different. Boxing is a hard sport to judge. I don't like the point system as the only tool for scoring. I would like to take into account damage of punches too. I digress.

My favorite quote was by George Foreman... Someone asked him after a close fight, who did he think won the fight. He said, "I don't judge fights, I judge knockouts"

Originally posted by hougigo

Lots of fights always got those crazy ass scorecards. Hell, Berto/Soto Karass had whack cards going into the 12... and almost every card in germany is whack.
AA vs Shilempo earlier today... close fight that wasn't reflected so much on the cards

**hougigo** · 08-25-13, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

I didn't see anything hugely wrong about Boto/Soto Karass scorecards. Texas judges are not as experienced as NV and have been known to miss a round or 2.

The cards were...

Judging:
Cathy Leonard 105 - 103

Hubert Minn 104 - 104

Michael Mitchell 103 - 105

I had it 105 - 103 Soto Karass based purely on points. If you score it on beatdown then Soto Karass would have been way ahead. Do you count when Berto knocked down Soto Karass a 10-8, if you did then Berto closed the gap late and made it a very close fight. I don't see how Dr Cathy Leonard had Berto leading. That was just bad (not egregious) but I wasn't sitting in her seat.

If you give or take a round then you can come up with those score. To me that does not spell fix. Now if there was a lot of rounds disparity then that would be different. Boxing is a hard sport to judge. I don't like the point system as the only tool for scoring. I would like to take into account damage of punches too. I digress.

My favorite quote was by George Foreman... Someone asked him after a close fight, who did he think won the fight. He said, "I don't judge fights, I judge knockouts"

really? SK was slaping Berto around the whole fight. Berto had his moments, but not enough to the point they'd be within a point coming into the last round... but one had it a draw and Berto ahead.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 08-25-13, 07:20 PM

On points, the fight was very close. On beating somebody up, Berto would have been behind by a large margin. Unfortunately, you don't get extra points for harder shots, nor do you get extra points if you beat a guy in one round more than another. I don't agree with Cathy Leonard's card but it wasn't that far off.

Originally posted by hougigo

really? SK was slaping Berto around the whole fight. Berto had his moments, but not enough to the point they'd be within a point coming into the last round... but one had it a draw and Berto ahead.

**bobby heenan** · 08-26-13, 12:14 PM

there are robberies and rig jobs in the sport

but im not quite sure what the angle would be in bob arum having pac lose to bradley.....both under his control and pac is/was his superstar....bradley winning did not launch him to superstardom and im sure no one at TR thought it would

**SBR Lou** · 08-26-13, 05:34 PM

Some good discussion here.

I firmly believe we're going to see Floyd win by stoppage. Yes he's the smaller of the two pugilists, and nobody in the sports writing universe is even covering it as a possibility, but I see him imposing his will on the inside and not simply out-boxing Canelo from a safe distance.

I think many underestimate just how solid Floyd's chin really is because of how infrequently it's tested, but some guys do the chicken dance after tasting the leather and some take it in stride - Floyd doesn't lay down on the canvas, period. He's a tough hombre. It'll be interesting to look at the prices offered for a win by stoppage. I wouldn't trust the usually money by decision play. ML+stoppage or just ML is the play here.

**hougigo** · 08-27-13, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

Some good discussion here.

I firmly believe we're going to see Floyd win by stoppage. Yes he's the smaller of the two pugilists, and nobody in the sports writing universe is even covering it as a possibility, but I see him imposing his will on the inside and not simply out-boxing Canelo from a safe distance.

I think many underestimate just how solid Floyd's chin really is because of how infrequently it's tested, but some guys do the chicken dance after tasting the leather and some take it in stride - Floyd doesn't lay down on the canvas, period. He's a tough hombre. It'll be interesting to look at the prices offered for a win by stoppage. I wouldn't trust the usually money by decision play. ML+stoppage or just ML is the play here.

Stoppage is totally possible here.
Canelo isn't very good at cutting off the ring, he's horrible at it. Cut that in with him having to chase Floyd all night, the weight he has to cut and how he normally gasses out in the middle rounds... Floyd could absolutely stop him.

If you're into superstition:
Pac lost his 16th fight after his first lost up to Bradley.
Every undefeated fighter Floyd has fought in a title match was knocked out in the 10th round.

Small punts for me in KO and 10th round

**Mac4Lyfe** · 08-27-13, 08:14 AM

I watched Canelo real close the last few fights and his defense is poor. He hangs his left out there too long and often leans his head forward into jabs. I think he is going to look very slow and plodding up against the speed of Mayweather. Mayweather has been wanting to go for it a lot more these days to show more for the crowd. I think he's going to really try and get a late round knockout. He's not going to run in the ring.

Originally posted by SBR Lou

Some good discussion here.

I firmly believe we're going to see Floyd win by stoppage. Yes he's the smaller of the two pugilists, and nobody in the sports writing universe is even covering it as a possibility, but I see him imposing his will on the inside and not simply out-boxing Canelo from a safe distance.

I think many underestimate just how solid Floyd's chin really is because of how infrequently it's tested, but some guys do the chicken dance after tasting the leather and some take it in stride - Floyd doesn't lay down on the canvas, period. He's a tough hombre. It'll be interesting to look at the prices offered for a win by stoppage. I wouldn't trust the usually money by decision play. ML+stoppage or just ML is the play here.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 08-27-13, 08:15 AM

I like this...

Originally posted by hougigo

Stoppage is totally possible here.
Canelo isn't very good at cutting off the ring, he's horrible at it. Cut that in with him having to chase Floyd all night, the weight he has to cut and how he normally gasses out in the middle rounds... Floyd could absolutely stop him.

If you're into superstition:
Pac lost his 16th fight after his first lost up to Bradley.
Every undefeated fighter Floyd has fought in a title match was knocked out in the 10th round.

Small punts for me in KO and 10th round

**hougigo** · 08-27-13, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

Some good discussion here.

I firmly believe we're going to see Floyd win by stoppage. Yes he's the smaller of the two pugilists, and nobody in the sports writing universe is even covering it as a possibility, but I see him imposing his will on the inside and not simply out-boxing Canelo from a safe distance.

I think many underestimate just how solid Floyd's chin really is because of how infrequently it's tested, but some guys do the chicken dance after tasting the leather and some take it in stride - Floyd doesn't lay down on the canvas, period. He's a tough hombre. It'll be interesting to look at the prices offered for a win by stoppage. I wouldn't trust the usually money by decision play. ML+stoppage or just ML is the play here.

I've been looking for you since I actively came back.
You called the Khan KO and the Pac KO, that's what I remembered.

**Sledge187** · 08-27-13, 10:59 AM

I don't know one person who ordering this fight.

**SBR Lou** · 08-27-13, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by hougigo

I've been looking for you since I actively came back.
You called the Khan KO and the Pac KO, that's what I remembered.

Thanks. Blind squirrels find a nut once in a while.

I feel good about the likelihood of a KO here but of course the price needs to be right.

**SBR Lou** · 08-27-13, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Sledge187

I don't know one person who ordering this fight.

UFC fans?

I'd say a conservative guess is 1.8M PPV buys and likely over 2M. It's a deserving card to break the all-time record. If you're not interested in this main event or the co-feature of Garcia vs Matthysse, then you're just not a real boxing fan.

P.S. Matthysse has 32 wins by KO in 34 bouts, his two losses were disputed split decisions. His performance against Lamont Peterson was electrifying.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 08-27-13, 04:20 PM

You don't know me but I've already ordered the fight... Ch 472 on Dishnet

Originally posted by Sledge187

I don't know one person who ordering this fight.

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 09-04-13, 09:20 PM

Floyd Mayweather Jr., already the world's highest-paid athlete in recent annual surveys, is unlikely to yield his crown with the disclosure on Wednesday by adviser Leonard Ellerbe and Golden Boy promoter Richard Schaefer that he will earn a guaranteed purse of $41.5 million for his Sept. 14 junior middleweight unification fight with Saul "Canelo" Alvarez

**BookieOweMe** · 09-05-13, 06:01 AM

anyone think the line will drop from -270?

**hougigo** · 09-05-13, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by BookieOweMe

anyone think the line will drop from -270?

Wait till fight week starts... after the weigh in, the line will either drop or rise.... most likely drop.
Canelo's weigh in might change peoples minds

**zooom** · 09-05-13, 07:30 AM

this should get over 1.5 million ppv buys easily.

**teaserpleaser** · 09-05-13, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by Sledge187

I don't know one person who ordering this fight.

**ApricotSinner32** · 09-05-13, 08:33 AM

Wtf do you mean his performance against peterson was electrifying? Are you fuking kidding me? Peterson was off his testosterone cycle like berto and with out that shit in their system they are not the same fighters. Mathysse didn't do anything impressive in the peterson fight he just caught peterson being lazy blindsided with that left hook. Lou mayweather is not stopping canelo quit smoking that mayweather dick.

**Ewan101** · 09-05-13, 01:18 PM

I think it's going to be a good fight - it's going to be tougher than the odds might suggest

**Hilljacademics** · 09-06-13, 02:44 PM

**sideloaded** · 09-06-13, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by ApricotSinner32

Wtf do you mean his performance against peterson was electrifying? Are you fuking kidding me? Peterson was off his testosterone cycle like berto and with out that shit in their system they are not the same fighters. Mathysse didn't do anything impressive in the peterson fight he just caught peterson being lazy blindsided with that left hook. Lou mayweather is not stopping canelo quit smoking that mayweather dick.

you a latin goonie fan?

**SBR Lou** · 09-06-13, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by ApricotSinner32

Wtf do you mean his performance against peterson was electrifying? Are you fuking kidding me? Peterson was off his testosterone cycle like berto and with out that shit in their system they are not the same fighters. Mathysse didn't do anything impressive in the peterson fight he just caught peterson being lazy blindsided with that left hook. Lou mayweather is not stopping canelo quit smoking that mayweather dick.

I get the contrarian role, but Matthysse is a stud. You can't not be blown away by his dominance. Each bout is more exciting than the last.

Had a dream last night that in the opening round Alvarez immediately bull rushed Mayweather toward the ropes and as he came forward, Mayweather knocked him out with a left hook and Alvarez stumbled sideways and fell out of the ropes onto the floor.

**hougigo** · 09-06-13, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

I get the contrarian role, but Matthysse is a stud. You can't not be blown away by his dominance. Each bout is more exciting than the last.

Had a dream last night that in the opening round Alvarez immediately bull rushed Mayweather toward the ropes and as he came forward, Mayweather knocked him out with a left hook and Alvarez stumbled sideways and fell out of the ropes onto the floor.

IMO, extremely uncharacteristic of Canelo. He always goes slow the first round... like incredibly slow. I think against Gomez, he didn't throw a punch for a whole minute.

After a bit of feel out, he'll start trying to throw... with no success.

Would be funny if that happened though

**SBR Lou** · 09-06-13, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by hougigo

IMO, extremely uncharacteristic of Canelo. He always goes slow the first round... like incredibly slow. I think against Gomez, he didn't throw a punch for a whole minute.

After a bit of feel out, he'll start trying to throw... with no success.

Would be funny if that happened though

You might be exactly right, but I think we need to expect the unexpected. Both men will come in aggressive looking to get off to a fast start. You don't take anything for granted in a fight of this magnitude. This isn't Roberto Guerrero or Austin Trout - a fight either could have sleepwalked through and been awarded every round.

These guys respect each other as being on a whole different level. Because of that, we'll see the best each has to offer. I think this is going to look a lot like Floyd dominating Diego Corrales (RIP), maybe Canelo doesn't hit the canvas as much but he gets similarly dominated and stopped.

**Maxmillion** · 09-06-13, 08:46 PM

Floyd will hit Canelo whenever he wants. I am not sure Canelo makes it through the fight

**hougigo** · 09-06-13, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

You might be exactly right, but I think we need to expect the unexpected. Both men will come in aggressive looking to get off to a fast start. You don't take anything for granted in a fight of this magnitude. This isn't Roberto Guerrero or Austin Trout - a fight either could have sleepwalked through and been awarded every round.

These guys respect each other as being on a whole different level. Because of that, we'll see the best each has to offer. I think this is going to look a lot like Floyd dominating Diego Corrales (RIP), maybe Canelo doesn't hit the canvas as much but he gets similarly dominated and stopped.

I can definitely see Canelo getting more aggressive than he has before. Floyd is too smart an patient, he'll want to conserve his hands (Broke the right in the Guerrero fight).
But if he plays his cards right, Canelo could be KO'd in the later rounds.... like I said earlier, I got the 10th

**BookieOweMe** · 09-08-13, 08:53 PM

$2,000 on Mayweather ML Too risky?

**hougigo** · 09-08-13, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by BookieOweMe

$2,000 on Mayweather ML Too risky?

The best available bet on the board IMO.
Don't risk it with the prop unless you feel like a decision.
Wait till Friday or Saturday when the money really starts really coming in on Canelo

I'm on Mayweather personally, but I'm taking the spread bet -9.5
Too risky for 2k, at least for me

**easyliving** · 09-08-13, 10:38 PM

which way will this line move? Should I take Mayweather @-173 now or wait?