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hmm, I should make a "didn't read gif" out of one of these Rampage dances and then post them whenver there is a Glover thread.Comment -
I would think a man who is at +290...not +260 like I thought....who holds the striking advantage....who is notorious for solid TDD vs. anyone who isn't a collegiate Div 1 wrestler...would warrant a lager wager when fighting a guy with non-versatile striking, no real wrestling pedigree, and a guy who has fought much less competition.
You make it seem like Glover isn't in Page's league on teh feet....yet you are throwing out an average sized bet. By the way you talk it seems as if you think Page should be at a pick'em at worst. +290 doesn't warrant a bigger bet?
I agree, there is a huge variable. Page's whole desire to fight. If we were counting on Bones-Page then sure I'd see huge value. But we aren't. That is one of the biggest reasons why I think Page will probably get beat handily.
If Glover shouldn't out-strike Page. And Page is +290. I have no clue why he wouldn't be a bigger bet. Even when you throw motivation into the mix. I rarely ever find +290s having distinct edges or cap them as outright favorites. If I did I would load up on them.Last edited by Rubber Guard; 01-25-13, 01:18 PM.Comment -
This said, I guess Rampage said easiest cut ever and that he is only 2 lbs over. And put up a pic.
Those GIFs are awesome.Comment -
James Kim is one of those idiots that love to think they can see something which no one else can.
It sounds like his entire analysis is based off a few lines from a bloodly elbow article where jack slack thinks glover could be the perfect opponent for rampage
What is your argument? that glover can only throw a wild overhand right and a wild left hook? and he is technically garbage?
How is his right hand wild or technically garbage? he throws it very hard and with excellent gauge of distance and timing. It's tight and his head dips off center when he throws it. It looks beastly and technically flawless. This isnt a jeremy stephens over hand right.
What about his left hook? Is that a wild a punch as well? it looks like a god damn mike tyson left hook. Which part of it is wild? does he over commit? is it not tight enough? hell his left hooks look stronger and tighter than rampage has ever looked
And what part of having the same go-to strikes make him a bad striker? Dan Henderson pretty much only has his right hand but it looks like it's been getting sharper and sharper over the years. He's able to time it perfectly and consistently find his opponent's chin even while they all know to expect the right hand. If Dan can consistently starch quality guys with a single variation of strike... why cant Glover do it with two?
Your entire thread is basically: " i can see a something that none of you guys can see.... that glover only throws the same two punches! and they are so wild! damn he is a technically atrocious striker he'll get KO'd by rampage! I'm 95% sure"Comment -
To be fair to James Kim, it doesn't take a Jack Slack to figure out Glover's striking game. Anyone with ANY eye for striking can tell he's a mediocre striker at best.Comment -
No,
before that article everyone was calling him a elite striker
Even today, there are fight analysts that speak highly of his striking.
Even if he could only throw those same two punches (which he doesnt, if you watch enough video you'll see he can do more, or at the very least slightly modify those strikes based on opportunity), based on the power, timing and crispness of those strikes alone, he would be an above average striker.
'Mediocre' is beyond stretching it... to the point where its just trying to grab attention. If Glover is mediocre with two hands..does than make hendo half of mediocre with just his right hand?Comment -
Do you think you know more than John Hackleman when it comes to striking? Does Hackleman not qualify as someone "with an eye for striking" ?
Do you really think Hackleman's star pupil...who has been under his tutelage for over 6 years, is a mediocre striker at best?Comment -
No,
before that article everyone was calling him a elite striker
Even today, there are fight analysts that speak highly of his striking.
Even if he could only throw those same two punches (which he doesnt, if you watch enough video you'll see he can do more, or at the very least slightly modify those strikes based on opportunity), based on the power, timing and crispness of those strikes alone, he would be an above average striker.
'Mediocre' is beyond stretching it... to the point where its just trying to grab attention. If Glover is mediocre with two hands..does than make hendo half of mediocre with just his right hand?
There are so many flaws in your logic that it's almost painful to read your posts, but I'll give it a try.
1) Prove that "everyone" was calling him an elite striker. Go ahead, I'll wait. I can see the weaknesses in his striking from a country mile away, and if you can't, it's because you don't understand striking.
2) You obviously don't understand Hendo's striking if you're comparing it to Glover's in that way.
3) LOL John Hackleman. The guy is a moron and a mediocre teacher.
4) You think that having a coach who's a good striking coach makes you a good striker by default? Good job buddy, really representing yourself well here.Comment -
just keep telling yourself that Hackleman's star pupil with a huge list of KO's is a "mediocre striker at best"
Does it make you feel like you have amazing 1-in-a-1000 insight? I should say 2-in-a-1000 cause you're at the same level of insight as JamesKim hahahaComment -
Hannibal, as I've said numerous times, anyone who pays attention can see how mediocre Glover's striking is.
Tough question to answer; lots of variables. Rather than give you a definitive answer, I'll give you a comparison to Glover's striking. They're both rather predictable, powerful punchers who don't effectively utilize kicks. The major differences are in their fundamentals. Rampage is a fundamentally sound boxer whose ridiculously low fight IQ has lead him to just head-hunt relentlessly, instead of using the boxing technique which brought him success in the first place. Glover is a technically mediocre boxer with similar head-hunting to Rampage; he's looser and maybe even a bit faster, but his predictability is even higher, and his defence isn't as good. The biggest difference between the two is simple: Rampage understands how to strike. He understands the striking game and, even if he underutilizes these mental tools, he possesses them. I'm not convinced that Glover really understands boxing; he's the epitome of head-hunting.
I think the deciding factor is going to be Rampage's ability to exploit Glover's predictable combos and Glover's lack of an answer to Rampage's adjustments.Comment -
Doesn't Glover throw many more kicks than Page?Comment -
It has little to do with capping their skillsets.
But it says something when Shogun turns down to fight you. He doesn't usually back down from anyone and is willing to take a beating. He flat out turned it down saying it wasn't smart move for him because Tex isn't known enough. He then fought Vera.Comment -
well shogun obviously doesnt have an eye for striking like MDComment -
I understand the supposed logic.
The point is Shogun was never the guy to weigh risk reward. As seen in his fighting style from day one. He takes on anyone and isn't a diva. He usually is pretty old school on how he goes about fighting.
Of course name value was a decent excuse. I also have to feel that Shogun knows how dangerous Tex truly is.Comment -
The big doubt that i have is about Rampage's motivation... I'll wait until the weigh-in to see his shape and look for coments about his camp.Comment -
+295 Page weighs in at 204.
Ok he has some value here. Can't believe it is about +300 weighed in and ready.Comment -
90% of locks on SBR forum fails.
Everyone should go all in on Glover.
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I'm a long time boxing fan, been watching boxing much longer than MMA, I just don't bet it. I've been watching boxing for years and I have years of amateur boxing experience.James Kim is one of those idiots that love to think they can see something which no one else can.
It sounds like his entire analysis is based off a few lines from a bloodly elbow article where jack slack thinks glover could be the perfect opponent for rampage
What is your argument? that glover can only throw a wild overhand right and a wild left hook? and he is technically garbage?
How is his right hand wild or technically garbage? he throws it very hard and with excellent gauge of distance and timing. It's tight and his head dips off center when he throws it. It looks beastly and technically flawless. This isnt a jeremy stephens over hand right.
What about his left hook? Is that a wild a punch as well? it looks like a god damn mike tyson left hook. Which part of it is wild? does he over commit? is it not tight enough? hell his left hooks look stronger and tighter than rampage has ever looked
And what part of having the same go-to strikes make him a bad striker? Dan Henderson pretty much only has his right hand but it looks like it's been getting sharper and sharper over the years. He's able to time it perfectly and consistently find his opponent's chin even while they all know to expect the right hand. If Dan can consistently starch quality guys with a single variation of strike... why cant Glover do it with two?
Your entire thread is basically: " i can see a something that none of you guys can see.... that glover only throws the same two punches! and they are so wild! damn he is a technically atrocious striker he'll get KO'd by rampage! I'm 95% sure"
If you can't tell that Glover has a limited striking game, and that he's a pretty amateurish boxer, you're a retard. GTFO. I don't give a shit about some article, I make my picks based on my predictions. Hell, if I was the same size as Glover, I would take him to a boxing clinic. Elite striking my ass.
I said Vitor would straight merk Bisping, even though everyone here was against me, same for Okami. GTFO out of my thread you little turd.
edit: if you actually read the thread before writing that, you would know exactly why I think Glover is a bad striker. Limited head movement, arms low, sets up with overhands, ect. Read first, ok?Comment -
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Some gamblers can analyze a fight, some gamblers cannot.James Kim is one of those idiots that love to think they can see something which no one else can.
It sounds like his entire analysis is based off a few lines from a bloodly elbow article where jack slack thinks glover could be the perfect opponent for rampage
What is your argument? that glover can only throw a wild overhand right and a wild left hook? and he is technically garbage?
How is his right hand wild or technically garbage? he throws it very hard and with excellent gauge of distance and timing. It's tight and his head dips off center when he throws it. It looks beastly and technically flawless. This isnt a jeremy stephens over hand right.
What about his left hook? Is that a wild a punch as well? it looks like a god damn mike tyson left hook. Which part of it is wild? does he over commit? is it not tight enough? hell his left hooks look stronger and tighter than rampage has ever looked
And what part of having the same go-to strikes make him a bad striker? Dan Henderson pretty much only has his right hand but it looks like it's been getting sharper and sharper over the years. He's able to time it perfectly and consistently find his opponent's chin even while they all know to expect the right hand. If Dan can consistently starch quality guys with a single variation of strike... why cant Glover do it with two?
Your entire thread is basically: " i can see a something that none of you guys can see.... that glover only throws the same two punches! and they are so wild! damn he is a technically atrocious striker he'll get KO'd by rampage! I'm 95% sure"
Here's my winning bet on analyzing a past fight:
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HAHAHAHA i forgot about this one. Coonery or not hes pretty funny guy whenever hes not bitter.
