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**Grabaka** · 03-12-13, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

Nice got the same but I have ellenbergers decision instead
Also on te camozzi ring over

Nice my man. Let do this!

**Vaughany** · 03-12-13, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by JamesKim

Am I the only one on Ring? I don't think it's gonna be that close lol

what have you seen in his previous fights that makes you confident Ring will win and wont even be close?

His dominant performances against Court McGee?!

**Vaughany** · 03-12-13, 03:48 AM

Originally posted by gabe

you mean his left hand.

He's been going on about this right hand in interviews as well!

**JamesKim** · 03-12-13, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

what have you seen in his previous fights that makes you confident Ring will win and wont even be close?

His dominant performances against Court McGee?!

Not really based on results, but Carmozzi over-reaches constantly and doesn't keep his hands up or move his head when he attacks. It just looks really sloppy to me. He also telegraphs the hell out of his strikes and constantly takes his eyes off of his opponents. His chin is also way in the air when he throws strikes. Everything about his striking seems fundamentally broken. He can be aggressive and seems to pack somewhat descent power, so I guess he does present some danger, but I can't see him outstriking Ring.

"Won't even be close" is kind of an overstatement. I just think Ring will win comfortably, not dominantly.

**Vaughany** · 03-12-13, 06:25 AM

fair enough. He does still have a lot of holes in his game

**NunyaBidness** · 03-12-13, 10:09 AM

Make sure you include in your capping that for whatever reason Ring has 'the glow'. Judges can't see past it.

**Sacrelicious** · 03-12-13, 01:08 PM

Bump for new lines. Cruikshank -140? Yes please!

**Sacrelicious** · 03-12-13, 01:10 PM

-175 now.

**Sacrelicious** · 03-12-13, 01:11 PM

Missed Dan Miller +170 by a matter of seconds.

MD · 03-12-13, 01:13 PM

People are betting on Dan Miller? What the actual f-ck? I was expecting Mein to shoot into the -300 range before we got steam on Miller.

**Sacrelicious** · 03-12-13, 01:19 PM

Dan Miller down to +100 now...

**Sacrelicious** · 03-12-13, 01:20 PM

I hit the under on Cruick/Makdes at +155 as well, small, but the line seems favorable.

**Sacrelicious** · 03-12-13, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by MD

People are betting on Dan Miller? What the actual f-ck? I was expecting Mein to shoot into the -300 range before we got steam on Miller.

Had I hit him at +170 I would have as well, unfortunately I was betting on Cruickshank.

How he has hit +100, I am entirely unsure...

**Vaughany** · 03-12-13, 01:24 PM

hard to bet against Miller just because he's so durable...you're basically counting on opponent doing enough to take a decision

**Sacrelicious** · 03-12-13, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

hard to bet against Miller just because he's so durable...you're basically counting on opponent doing enough to take a decision

I cannot justify the bet at even odds. Had I hit the +170 opener, absolutely.

**Grabaka** · 03-12-13, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

hard to bet against Miller just because he's so durable...you're basically counting on opponent doing enough to take a decision

He might box his eyes out. That would be enough for a dec.
I do like Mein but right under -170. I havent been able to pull the trigger.

MD · 03-12-13, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

hard to bet against Miller just because he's so durable...you're basically counting on opponent doing enough to take a decision

Miller's unlikely to catch a finish, either. The problem is that Miller not only isn't the best wrestler in the world (which is his biggest tool, as his standup is horrible and he needs to BJJ clinic someone in order to win a fight), he also has no fight IQ whatsoever. How many takedowns did he try against Bisping, after getting lit up? Two, in the entire fight?

**Sacrelicious** · 03-12-13, 01:32 PM

Anyone else get on Cruickshank before the line pummeted?

**Beelzebubzy** · 03-12-13, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

hard to bet against Miller just because he's so durable...you're basically counting on opponent doing enough to take a decision

Played the over -230 or so
Only way this doesn't hit is if miller guillotines him

**Grabaka** · 03-12-13, 01:39 PM

Fokkin Kalikas did a good job with these odds me thinks. IDK what to snatch

**Grabaka** · 03-12-13, 01:40 PM

3/16/2013 10:30 PM Props Fighting 1311 Camozzi wins by 3 round decision* +220 vs Not Camozzi by 3 round decision
Risking $100.00 To Win $220.00
3/16/2013 10:00 PM Props Fighting 1407 Ricci wins by 3 round decision* +142 vs Not Ricci by 3 round decision
Risking $100.00 To Win $142.00

**Sacrelicious** · 03-12-13, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by Grabaka

Fokkin Kalikas did a good job with these odds me thinks. IDK what to snatch

Shank -140 and Miller +170 were the soft spots, thankfully I got one.

Right now, they've already self corrected. Shank at -225.

MD · 03-12-13, 02:01 PM

I actually think Kalikas did a piss-poor job. Either that, or I'm in for a rough weekend.

**gabe** · 03-12-13, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Sacrelicious

Missed Dan Miller +170 by a matter of seconds.

Good, you saved money.

**gabe** · 03-12-13, 02:30 PM

You guys are characters. Mein should surely be -300

**gabe** · 03-12-13, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by gabe

You guys are characters. Mein should surely be -300

Top 15 Welterweight vs Bottom 15 Welterweight

**Vaughany** · 03-12-13, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by gabe

You guys are characters. Mein should surely be -300

maybe, he should win but as I said above my fear would be Miller's durability. Do you think Mein can finish Miller? Bisping, Maia, Sonnen, Paul Harris, and Marquardt couldnt. And Miller has had his first fight at WW so should in theory feel more comfortable now making the weight and fighting at tht weight. Like Mein a lot but Im not that confident in him finishing Dan so you're then dicing with the retarded judges.

**Vaughany** · 03-12-13, 02:36 PM

Dan Miller is Jim Miller's brother.

Haven't seen Gunshard in a while...where you at Gunshard (Nick Diaz voice)?

**Vaughany** · 03-12-13, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by Sacrelicious

Shank -140 and Miller +170 were the soft spots, thankfully I got one.

Right now, they've already self corrected. Shank at -225.

I wouldnt say Miller was soft...you'll probably get a better line nearer fight time, closer to +200. ALthough if you're saying it was soft based on what you think he should be then yes it is obviously!

**Vaughany** · 03-12-13, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

Played the over -230 or so
Only way this doesn't hit is if miller guillotines him

agreed.

Or if ref does an early stoppage if Mein drops him but obvs unlikey.

**Sacrelicious** · 03-12-13, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Dan Miller is Jim Miller's brother.

Haven't seen Gunshard in a while...where you at Gunshard (Nick Diaz voice)?

This forum is just not the same without Gunshard.

**gabe** · 03-12-13, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

maybe, he should win but as I said above my fear would be Miller's durability. Do you think Mein can finish Miller? Bisping, Maia, Sonnen, Paul Harris, and Marquardt couldnt. And Miller has had his first fight at WW so should in theory feel more comfortable now making the weight and fighting at tht weight. Like Mein a lot but Im not that confident in him finishing Dan so you're then dicing with the retarded judges.

Probably can't finish him, but can surely take a comfortable 30-27.

**gabe** · 03-12-13, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Probably can't finish him, but can surely take a comfortable 30-27.

I mean, come on, Ricardo Funch nearly decisioned Miller

**gabe** · 03-12-13, 02:43 PM

I say Mein can win at least 2 rounds comfortably

**Vaughany** · 03-12-13, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by MD

Miller's unlikely to catch a finish, either. The problem is that Miller not only isn't the best wrestler in the world (which is his biggest tool, as his standup is horrible and he needs to BJJ clinic someone in order to win a fight), he also has no fight IQ whatsoever. How many takedowns did he try against Bisping, after getting lit up? Two, in the entire fight?

Agree entirely. But still, he's a big WW now and might be able to steal rounds just by grinding Mein against the cage or something. I just always hesitate when thinking about backing a fighter at -150 or worse odds when you know it's likely that it goes to decision and then hoping the judges dont screw you over