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  • fifawcs
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    • 05-14-07
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    #1
    Why does everyone like the Rangers?
    I don't understand why. The dude had one start against cleveland. He is facing the Angels. The Ranger's offense has declined significantly in the second half.
  • johnnymapalo
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    • 06-14-08
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    #2
    Originally posted by fifawcs
    I don't understand why. The dude had one start against cleveland. He is facing the Angels. The Ranger's offense has declined significantly in the second half.
    I WAS GONNA BET THE RANGERS 1ST 5 BUT CHANGED MY MIND. i WILL DO THE OVER 9.5 INSTEAD..
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    • Sinister Cat
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      • 06-03-08
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      #3
      +162 with Hamilton probable, and 3/4 of the Angels regular infield possibly injured. The starting pitchers for both teams are mediocre.

      That's the way I see it..
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      • fifawcs
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        • 05-14-07
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        #4
        Garland is not mediocre. And the Rangers have the worst pen. The Angels have a great pen.
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        • ryanXL977
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          • 02-24-08
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          #5
          garland is absolutely mediocre dude
          he is not good in any way shape or form. you should wtahc him pitch. he is no better than eveland
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          • element1286
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            • 02-25-08
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            #6
            Originally posted by fifawcs
            Garland is not mediocre. And the Rangers have the worst pen. The Angels have a great pen.
            Garland is the definition of a mediocre MLB pitcher.
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            • fifawcs
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              • 05-14-07
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              #7
              I'm telling u guys the Angels will win this. You guys don't know anything about Mccarthy.
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              • Sinister Cat
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                • 06-03-08
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                #8
                I know he smoked the Yankees May '07 in NY when the rangers were +325
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                • element1286
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                  • 02-25-08
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by fifawcs
                  I'm telling u guys the Angels will win this. You guys don't know anything about Mccarthy.
                  McCarthy is a pretty solid pitcher, and is probably not that much worse than Garland, and has the potential to be better. He has some decent AAA numbers, and was a fast riser in the CWS organization. He also has decent career numbers for a 24 years old. He has had some command issues in the majors, but has very good stuff. I am not betting on this game, but I don't think the Rangers are a bad play at all.
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                  • ryanXL977
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                    • 02-24-08
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                    #10
                    i would play tex here, if any
                    but mccarthy will go , what 3 innings max?
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                    • ryanXL977
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                      • 02-24-08
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                      #11
                      i would ask you this fifa, why do you think garland is good? based upon?
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                      • element1286
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                        • 02-25-08
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by ryanXL977
                        i would play tex here, if any
                        but mccarthy will go , what 3 innings max?
                        He is on a pitch count for sure, but I don't know how far that would get him, he threw 76 last game, so it is probably 85-90 this time.
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                        • ryanXL977
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                          • 02-24-08
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                          #13
                          i agree he is no worse than garland, but he does suck
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                          • fifawcs
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                            • 05-14-07
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                            #14
                            I'm not saying Garland is good. i am saying that you all think Mccarthy is going to no hit the Angels. As Ryan stated in an earlier post, the guy will last 3 innings. Then it is the Rangers bullpen. That's is why they are +168. This isn't value. They are a road team with a crap bullpen versus the best team in baseball that just lost two of three to the A's.
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                            • ryanXL977
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                              • 02-24-08
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                              #15
                              the rangers are no worse than oakland though, and you laid on oak vs weaver, who is better than garland

                              i mean, whats the difference?
                              obviously laa is better than tex by 1000000x, but i am not sure of the difference here vs your winning bet the other day
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                              • fifawcs
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                                • 05-14-07
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                                #16
                                There is a big difference. As bad as u may think Braden is, he has been pretty decent as a starter. Also, the A's have the number 5 bullpen. Weaver also sucks. I don't think the Ranger's offense is as good as they were pre all-star break. That means that the A's are better than the Rangers.
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                                • ryanXL977
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                                  • 02-24-08
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                                  #17
                                  fair enough
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                                  • BadBeatBodog
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                                    • 06-05-08
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                                    #18
                                    Pre-ASB: .816 OPS .324 BAbip
                                    Post-ASB: .796 .313 BAbip

                                    The offense has been .020 points worse but it was to be expected because of the high BAbip.
                                    "Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"

                                    "Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"
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                                    • ryanXL977
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                                      • 02-24-08
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                                      #19
                                      no kinsler
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                                      • Kingctb27
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by BadBeatBodog
                                        Pre-ASB: .816 OPS .324 BAbip
                                        Post-ASB: .796 .313 BAbip

                                        The offense has been .020 points worse but it was to be expected because of the high BAbip.
                                        Most of that has to do with Bradley not being in the line up.
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                                        • ryanXL977
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                                          • 02-24-08
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                                          #21
                                          and kinsler

                                          ps cruz is garbage also
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                                          • BadBeatBodog
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                                            • 06-05-08
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                                            #22
                                            And this is partly why I like the Rangers here:

                                            McCarthy is a finesse fly ball pitcher. LAA versus:

                                            Finesse: .721
                                            Fly ball: .710
                                            RHP: .730
                                            Home: .744

                                            Garland is a finesse ground ball pitcher. Texas versus:

                                            Finesse: .843
                                            GB: .829
                                            RHP: .815
                                            Road: .761
                                            "Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"

                                            "Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"
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                                            • BadBeatBodog
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                                              • 06-05-08
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Kingctb27
                                              Most of that has to do with Bradley not being in the line up.
                                              It probably would've happened with or without him due to BAbip regression, although perhaps not a .020 point drop.
                                              "Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"

                                              "Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"
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                                              • ryanXL977
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                                                • 02-24-08
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                                                #24
                                                kinsler
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                                                • BadBeatBodog
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                                                  • 06-05-08
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                                                  #25
                                                  Trust me guys, it's more the BAbip then the players. Kinsler:

                                                  Pre-ASB: .945 OPS .359 BAbip
                                                  Post-ASB: .717 OPS .255 BAbip

                                                  Even with Kinsler the overall numbers would have dropped sharply because his numbers were extremely inflated.

                                                  And the team that gives Bradley a large contract next year is crazy. He's still an injury-prone player and his numbers are Arlington and BAbip driven.

                                                  Home: 1.234 OPS .385 BAbip
                                                  Away: .868 OPS .397 BAbip

                                                  Even with an INSANELY high BAbip on the road, higher than at home even, he 'only' manages an .870 OPS. His 2008 BAbip of .391 is astronomically higher than his .322 career number.
                                                  "Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"

                                                  "Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"
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                                                  • Sinister Cat
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                                                    • 06-03-08
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by BadBeatBodog
                                                    Trust me guys, it's more the BAbip then the players. Kinsler:

                                                    Pre-ASB: .945 OPS .359 BAbip
                                                    Post-ASB: .717 OPS .255 BAbip

                                                    Even with Kinsler the overall numbers would have dropped sharply because his numbers were extremely inflated.

                                                    And the team that gives Bradley a large contract next year is crazy. He's still an injury-prone player and his numbers are Arlington and BAbip driven.

                                                    Home: 1.234 OPS .385 BAbip
                                                    Away: .868 OPS .397 BAbip

                                                    Even with an INSANELY high BAbip on the road, higher than at home even, he 'only' manages an .870 OPS. His 2008 BAbip of .391 is astronomically higher than his .322 career number.
                                                    Is it valid to look at BAbip for individual hitters like this? I mean, sure, a hitter can get lucky and hits can drop in-- but for example, Bradley has a much higher line drive rate this year than for his career, so most, if not all, of the increase in BABip can be attributed to this. And I'd think an increased line drive rate is due more to skill/"seeing the ball better" or whatever, rather than luck.
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                                                    • element1286
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                                                      • 02-25-08
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Sinister Cat
                                                      Is it valid to look at BAbip for individual hitters like this? I mean, sure, a hitter can get lucky and hits can drop in-- but for example, Bradley has a much higher line drive rate this year than for his career, so most, if not all, of the increase in BABip can be attributed to this. And I'd think an increased line drive rate is due more to skill/"seeing the ball better" or whatever, rather than luck.
                                                      Completely agree.
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                                                      • I LUV (.) (.)
                                                        SBR High Roller
                                                        • 08-02-08
                                                        • 224

                                                        #28
                                                        have of angels line up is hurt
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                                                        • Sinister Cat
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                                                          • 06-03-08
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by I LUV (.) (.)
                                                          have of angels line up is hurt
                                                          It seems that unless they make a roster move, either guys are going to play hurt, or Juan Rivera will be in again at second base! I'm half-expecting to hear today that Eckstein or Scutaro has been traded to the Angels, but haven't heard anything yet...
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                                                          • ryanXL977
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                                                            • 02-24-08
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                                                            #30
                                                            badbeats stats didnt show ole milton there did they

                                                            those stats are useless
                                                            they cannot be used for betting over the courseo f one year
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                                                            • ryanXL977
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                                                              • 02-24-08
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                                                              #31
                                                              love garland!!
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                                                              • fifawcs
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                                                                • 05-14-07
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                                                                #32
                                                                Just wait for the Ranger pen to come in.
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                                                                • BadBeatBodog
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  I am not 100% on this but a hitter's BAbip works the same as LD%; that is, while a hitter has a little more control over it than a pitcher (which is barely, if at all), there is an acceptable range and any large deviation within a year likely means regression should be expected. So yes, of course a higher LD% has to do with BAbip but if you look at Bradley's LD% over the years there is no consistency:

                                                                  2004: 18.9%
                                                                  2005: 22.7%
                                                                  2006: 15.4%
                                                                  2007: 23.5% w/ OAK, 16.4% w/ SD
                                                                  2008: 24.2%

                                                                  Of course you can use these stats for individual hitters, but I will admit other factors should be looked in to such as GB/FB, HR/F, LD%, etc... It is not as straightforward as it is for pitchers because hitters do have some control.
                                                                  "Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"

                                                                  "Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"
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                                                                  • ryanXL977
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                                                                    • 02-24-08
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    he is a pretty up and down tempered dude
                                                                    these are human beings, they have good days and bad days and fights with wives and hangovers
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                                                                    • ryanXL977
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                                                                      • 02-24-08
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by fifawcs
                                                                      Just wait for the Ranger pen to come in.
                                                                      oh, it wont take the pen to blow this lead
                                                                      mccarthy is crapola. but garland is a #4.5 starter too
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