GOLDENGREEK's 2011 MLB SEASON LONG THREAD

[BigDofBA]

Long game for me to go 1-2 and lose a unit and some change....oh well could have been worse today.

[hardball]

I don't think you get it. Those posters have been dealt with and we are not gonna post our mod logs to prove it. Nor are we gonna delete the posts. Once a poster receives a certain ammount of points their account is suspended, simple as that.

Embarrassing.

These trolls (from your competition) are making a MOCKERY of your infraction system and you think you are doing a good job....

Congrats SBR....You failed to protect your paying (pros)/positively contributing customers and let this thread be trolled to its death.

Quit slapping wrists, and moderate this thread with some authority.

Sarcastically dancing on gg's grave when he looses is a personal attack. Moderate it as such.

WTF kind of business model lets your customers get thrashed by your competition. Either your "infraction" policies are pathetic or the mods are. Which is it?


SBR...Do your fukin job and protect your customers, not the trolls.

[shari91]

Embarrassing. These trolls (from your competition) are making a MOCKERY of your infraction system and you think you are doing a good job.... Congrats SBR....You failed to protect your paying (pros)/positively contributing customers and let this thread be trolled to its death. Quit slapping wrists, and moderate this thread with some authority. Sarcastically dancing on gg's grave when he looses is a personal attack. Moderate it as such. WTF kind of business model lets your customers get thrashed by your competition. Either your "infraction" policies are pathetic or the mods are. Which is it? SBR...Do your fukin job and protect your customers, not the trolls.

Sounds like a perfect solution. Now what do you propose we do about the SBR Pros who are also quite happy to see GG lose? And how would you like us to handle it when SBR Pros lash out in this thread and even run to others to carry on the nonsense there? The same rules apply to everyone. If you or anyone else's feelings will get hurt because they're not going to get love from 100% of the posters in a public forum, then it's probably best that they don't start threads. And it's quite ironic you're talking about personal attacks on GG when just a quick look at his posts will show you examples of much worse than anything said in here lately.

When someone violates an SBR posting guideline, they're dealt with. In a perfect world everyone would be singing Kumbaya in here and holding hands. That's not going to happen here, nor will it happen at any forum. Regardless of the fact that some of these posters are obviously so bored with their lives that they've decided to jump forums (and in some cases create multiple accounts) to troll this thread, the second you or anyone else engages with them - including GG many, many, many times - they cease to be a troll. You want them gone? Put them on ignore and let them post their nonsense to thin air. Trust me - that'll do the job quite quickly.

[hardball]

Now what do you propose we do about the SBR Pros who are also quite happy to see GG lose?

My post was directly correlated with how you have handled the cappersmall onslaught of trolls. 3 maybe 4 new trolls from your competition. Who have made a MOCKERY of your infraction system.

The same rules apply to everyone.

Then moderate it as such.....Sarcastic bashing on someones losses consistently STILL equals a personal attack Shari.
You of all mods....I thought would understand this.

And it's quite ironic you're talking about personal attacks on GG when just a quick look at his posts will show you examples of much worse than anything said in here lately.

If it didn't take you mods half a season to try to get a handle on this thread it would never get to this point.....The man resorted to defending himself.

Do you job from the get go....respond to reported posts, take notice of your most viewed baseball thread, and this issue doesn't present.

Does GG go looking for trouble? Nope.

When someone violates an SBR posting guideline, they're dealt with. In a perfect world everyone would be singing Kumbaya in here and holding hands. That's not going to happen here, nor will it happen at any forum.

Agreed....Just seems extremly poorly handled in this thread. Protect your customers....not Cappersmall.... You LET them own SBR.

Regardless of the fact that some of these posters are obviously so bored with their lives that they've decided to jump forums (and in some cases create multiple accounts) to troll this thread, the second you or anyone else engages with them - including GG many, many, many times - they cease to be a troll. You want them gone? Put them on ignore and let them post their nonsense to thin air. Trust me - that'll do the job quite quickly.

Or.....You can just get rid of said trolls....

[shari91]

My post was directly correlated with how you have handled the cappersmall onslaught of trolls. 3 maybe 4 new trolls from your competition. Who have made a MOCKERY of your infraction system. Then moderate it as such.....Sarcastic bashing on someones losses consistently STILL equals a personal attack Shari. You of all mods....I thought would understand this. If it didn't take you mods half a season to try to get a handle on this thread it would never get to this point.....The man resorted to defending himself. Do you job from the get go....respond to reported posts, take notice of your most viewed baseball thread, and this issue doesn't present. Does GG go looking for trouble? Nope. Agreed....Just seems extremly poorly handled in this thread. Protect your customers....not Cappersmall.... You LET them own SBR. Or.....You can just get rid of said trolls....

I didn't make the guidelines here. I just follow them. If I could banish everyone that I thought was a pain in the ass and only here to cause trouble, there'd be a mass clearout of posters within an hour. But we as Mods have to follow the policies that were put in place or I could just get rid of people I personally didn't like. Believe me, the sooner that these kinds of problems are dealt with permanently somehow, the happier we all are. But I have to treat everyone the same because at the end of day I still have to justify my actions if questioned. I can't just turn around to an Admin and say "well it's obvious they're trolls so I booted them". Everyone follows the same infraction system. And I admit the process makes me frustrated at times but at least I know it's fair. They're given the same chance to play by the rules. If they prove they can't/won't do that, they're gone. Honestly, the best thing to do - no matter how hard it is - is to ignore them. I can easily justify infractions for that. But when we come in here and see a constant battle it's either infract both parties or infract neither. That's why I keep stressing to just let them actually troll and don't engage with them, and they'll be out of here for good

[hardball]

Shari- Fair enough. I can agree with that.

Illusion-Thanks for the infraction....Keep up the good work pal.

[nickos86]

Let's cut out all the bullshit. Just read this.

People do not get banned for just one offense. We have a system in place that has worked well for many years.

Disagree 100%. You should revisit your 'system' frankly. Based on what I've seen during my time here, it penalizes the large number of quality cappers who's insights are valued, and completely ignores deconstructive thread crappers. I understand that the idea of quality cappers who leverage the site to profit is a tough code to crack, but the collective inability of the moderator team to focus on the right stuff is resulting in dozen of cappers either leaving or getting banned. You guys need to understand that times are changing, that the Twitter train has left the station, and you really need to find a business model/solution that adapts. The SBR point system won't be your differentiator forever...

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You are contributing nothing positive to the thread either. Stop engaging them in e-battles and put them on ignore. They won't stay if no one engages them. Cursing out mods is not the answer. Technically these guys have every right to post in here. It's not a private thread.
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No one cursed out the mods i was cursing out of frustration and it wasnt directed at anyone. No offense illusion but i dont think you get it. Look back at all of these pages of these idiots coming in here and harassing the sh!t out of this thread making it so horrible that people dont even want to come in here anymore and discuss baseball with GG. When was the last time anyone said anything constructive in this thread??????? Out of nowhere you have these 4-5 people coming over from crappersmall harassing the users that have been here for a while for no reason and they do nothing but harass this thread, that is their only motive. They have made multiple names and do nothing but bother people. Im sure this is frustrating for GG who is giving his picks out for free trying to make money and make other people money for free, which could be throwing him off and messing him up and having him not be confident in his picks and cause him to second guess them and in turn give out losers. It is a free world and not a private forum but the fact is that GG has asked these 4-5 people to please not post in his thread and that should be enough, its like fcukin romper room in this damn thread its ridiculous. Isnt the age limit 18 to gamble?? There is no fcukin way that these little morons are 18 or over judging by the way they conduct themselves ...
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Embarrassing.

These trolls (from your competition) are making a MOCKERY of your infraction system and you think you are doing a good job....
Congrats SBR....You failed to protect your paying (pros)/positively contributing customers and let this thread be trolled to its death.
Quit slapping wrists, and moderate this thread with some authority.

Sarcastically dancing on gg's grave when he looses is a personal attack. Moderate it as such.

WTF kind of business model lets your customers get thrashed by your competition. Either your "infraction" policies are pathetic or the mods are. Which is it?



SBR...Do your fukin job and protect your customers, not the trolls.

The market will speak (eventually). I much prefer to instantly receive posters plays (and the plays only) directly to my phone with an alert through twitter, or directly on someones website, or directly via email, than having to sit on the computer for an hour wading through hundreds of stagnant pages of abuse, or abuse inciting, waste of my time crap.


If you prefer a forum based approach Shari, there are plently of other places I'm sure you know. Right now, I am also viewing threads on Covers MLB Forum (as a direct comparison), and there seems to be a strange absence of hate-filled-trolling there...



You say there is no point arguing with the trolls; that the best way to deal with them is to ignore them, until they shrivel and die from lack of attention. So it seems that the only way to stimulate change in the fatally flawed system that allows them to exist, is to ignore SBR and stay away until it shrivels and begins to die?



Genius.

[shari91]

You say there is no point arguing with the trolls; that the best way to deal with them is to ignore them, until they shrivel and die from lack of attention. So it seems that the only way to stimulate change in the fatally flawed system that allows them to exist, is to ignore SBR and stay away until it shrivels and begins to die? Genius.

You must've misunderstood what I've said repeatedly so I'll try one more time. A troll ceases to be a troll when you or any other poster constantly argues with them. By doing this, you're feeding into the very thing you claim to not enjoy. If you guys could've just sat on your fingers for a day or two and let the process play out, they would've been gone long ago. Instead we come in here and find Poster Troll and Poster You (for example) arguing. We can't give you an infraction for every post within an argument. So you'd get one and the the troll would get one. However if you had just chosen to not engage in that argument and we came in to see the troll posting essentially to themselves or to their fellow trolls, that's either a 1pt infraction for trolling or a 3pt infraction (restricted from the forum) for trolling if he/she were power posting (essentially spamming) in this thread without response. It's really that simple. No one's saying that the problem will eventually "shrivel up and die". But you guys could keep complaining about the system or just honestly listen to what I've said in here many many times and your problems would be solved quite quickly. It seems though that for whatever reason people either enjoy engaging with these posters or can't help themselves. Regardless that's not helping the situation at all if you truly want it to go away.

Anyway, I've explained the same thing several times over a couple of weeks in here so I'll leave it at that. Hopefully at least one or two of you will listen to the advice I'm trying to give.

[MrXYZ]

I thought he was on holiday? Just had a look at this thread & saw BURIED in massive letters.

Shocking stuff, can't believe he'd dump 45 units on 3 plays. Definitely "a day which will live in infamy," but I hope GG has the tenacity to come back, or the sense to take a break for real this time.

[nickos86]

Edit: Not even worth it. Have fun boys and girls.

[gilly6864]

Another example of poor money management...no game should be worth more than 5 percent of your bankroll...these 15 unit games will crush the bankroll fast...as the season goes on the games get harder to pick and units size should shrink...

[boondoggle]

We need a win today...lets get em greek!

[BigDofBA]

I hope we have a *30 Balty play today.

[CaptainNemo89]

You must've misunderstood what I've said repeatedly so I'll try one more time. A troll ceases to be a troll when you or any other poster constantly argues with them. By doing this, you're feeding into the very thing you claim to not enjoy. If you guys could've just sat on your fingers for a day or two and let the process play out, they would've been gone long ago. Instead we come in here and find Poster Troll and Poster You (for example) arguing. We can't give you an infraction for every post within an argument. So you'd get one and the the troll would get one. However if you had just chosen to not engage in that argument and we came in to see the troll posting essentially to themselves or to their fellow trolls, that's either a 1pt infraction for trolling or a 3pt infraction (restricted from the forum) for trolling if he/she were power posting (essentially spamming) in this thread without response. It's really that simple. No one's saying that the problem will eventually "shrivel up and die". But you guys could keep complaining about the system or just honestly listen to what I've said in here many many times and your problems would be solved quite quickly. It seems though that for whatever reason people either enjoy engaging with these posters or can't help themselves. Regardless that's not helping the situation at all if you truly want it to go away.

Anyway, I've explained the same thing several times over a couple of weeks in here so I'll leave it at that. Hopefully at least one or two of you will listen to the advice I'm trying to give.

i personally hate these trolls as much as the next person... and i would really like to see these mods just get rid of them... but what shari is asking is actually not that difficult, if everyone simply ceases to respond to them, she can then kick them out of the thread for trolling, which is what we all want

[BigDofBA]

Another example of poor money management...no game should be worth more than 5 percent of your bankroll...these 15 unit games will crush the bankroll fast...as the season goes on the games get harder to pick and units size should shrink...

Agreed 100%. I still think GG is a good capper but the guy is on serious tilt.

15 units on the three worst teams in baseball????

Not only that, they were playing the Giants, Rangers, and upstart Pittsburgh. All of those teams are in first place.

Seattle has scored 1 run in three games. Why would you take them against Texas who has won 11 straight???? Seattle wasn't starting Pineda or Felix either.

San Diego wasn't a bad play but I wouldn't put that much money on the second worst lineup in baseball when they are going up the defending champs who have the best pitching in baseball.

As for Houston, they have the worst record in MLB. Nuff said.

GG needs to take a break. If you know July and August are your worst months, why would you start dropping 15 unit bombs on crap teams? Likewise, if you say you don't like the days game, why would you proceed to bet the entire card?

Take a few days off and come back fresh.

[dodgerblue]

So Shari, I want to just make sure I have this completely straight. Your response to our ask for better thread moderation is to ignore trolls?

Will you ever understand that certain people in this thread (and others) simply live their lives to antagonize others. When people respond to trolls, they're not debating them, they're responding to their PERSONAL ATTACKS!! No action from you basically means that trolls can throw the 'first punch' over and over from thread to thread. And as long as someone attacks a troll back - its okay because its considered debate?

So basically, when certain people are complete antagonists in threads that get huge hits for you, your way of supporting the capper & and your long-term longevity is to politely ask people to self-police the thread for you.

I'd offer -10,000 that you guys lose to Twitter at end of day. Word of mouth is an increasingly powerful thing.

You must've misunderstood what I've said repeatedly so I'll try one more time. A troll ceases to be a troll when you or any other poster constantly argues with them. By doing this, you're feeding into the very thing you claim to not enjoy. If you guys could've just sat on your fingers for a day or two and let the process play out, they would've been gone long ago. Instead we come in here and find Poster Troll and Poster You (for example) arguing. We can't give you an infraction for every post within an argument. So you'd get one and the the troll would get one. However if you had just chosen to not engage in that argument and we came in to see the troll posting essentially to themselves or to their fellow trolls, that's either a 1pt infraction for trolling or a 3pt infraction (restricted from the forum) for trolling if he/she were power posting (essentially spamming) in this thread without response. It's really that simple. No one's saying that the problem will eventually "shrivel up and die". But you guys could keep complaining about the system or just honestly listen to what I've said in here many many times and your problems would be solved quite quickly. It seems though that for whatever reason people either enjoy engaging with these posters or can't help themselves. Regardless that's not helping the situation at all if you truly want it to go away.

Anyway, I've explained the same thing several times over a couple of weeks in here so I'll leave it at that. Hopefully at least one or two of you will listen to the advice I'm trying to give.

[thebonzman]

Right now, I am also viewing threads on Covers MLB Forum (as a direct comparison), and there seems to be a strange absence of hate-filled-trolling there...

I spent the morning over there reading through some threads and never found any crap. It was rather stunning compared to this hell hole.

[GGZOLA]

well what have I missed here in 1 weekend???

[Double Bogey]

So Shari, I want to just make sure I have this completely straight. Your response to our ask for better thread moderation is to ignore trolls?

Will you ever understand that certain people in this thread (and others) simply live their lives to antagonize others. When people respond to trolls, they're not debating them, they're responding to their PERSONAL ATTACKS!! No action from you basically means that trolls can throw the 'first punch' over and over from thread to thread. And as long as someone attacks a troll back - its okay because its considered debate?

So basically, when certain people are complete antagonists in threads that get huge hits for you, your way of supporting the capper & and your long-term longevity is to politely ask people to self-police the thread for you.

I'd offer -10,000 that you guys lose to Twitter at end of day. Word of mouth is an increasingly powerful thing.

If you feel personally attacked by a guy posting on a public forum, you need to seek psychiatric help.

In simple terms, if you attack back, both people receive infractions. For example, a kid starts throwing rocks at another. He's clearly in the wrong. Now the kid who has the rocks thrown at him starts throwing rocks back. He's also clearly wrong at this point also.

The sbr system has the ignore function for a reason. If you don't like what someone is posting, report the post and then put them on ignore. It takes a minute to do and problem will be solved if everyone does that. You just look retarded having a hissy fit about this.

And btw, sbr will not be shut down if GG stops posting. The notion that sbr will "lose" to twitter is ridiculous. They are not in competetion. If you are really this thin skinned, go to twitter. You won't be missed.

[usernametaken]

why rag on him? When he picked teams and won not being logical, it was great. When he does the same thing and loses people trash him.He likes a team. He puts it out there. Caveat Emptor

[BigDofBA]

why rag on him? When he picked teams and won not being logical, it was great. When he does the same thing and loses people trash him.He likes a team. He puts it out there. Caveat Emptor

Earlier in the year he wasn't chasing and making three 15 unit plays in one day. I just feel like he is on tilt and chasing losses. I mean, I'm not upset or anything because I didn't tail yesterday. I'm just calling it how I see it.

I still think he is a good capper.

[pwherr]

If you feel personally attacked by a guy posting on a public forum, you need to seek psychiatric help.


The sbr system has the ignore function for a reason. If you don't like what someone is posting, report the post and then put them on ignore. It takes a minute to do and problem will be solved if everyone does that. You just look retarded having a hissy fit about this.

And btw, sbr will not be shut down if GG stops posting. The notion that sbr will "lose" to twitter is ridiculous. They are not in competetion. If you are really this thin skinned, go to twitter. You won't be missed.

this is a great post...

[leafs_ducks]

LOL @ at the trolls

[Full Time Hobo]

Damn this thread took a divebomb
Was somewhat expected.
You can't expect to win in gambling tailing someone.

[cappersmallNWO]

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then why don't you fade him? You should love that guy if he only hits 15%


just went back and did the math now. never realised about this guy before he jumped all over greek and after looking into him, didnt realize the guy was so shit. he hasnt posted plays since college ball. so i am excited for NFL season to fade Pwherr.


funny that this guy comes on here to fade GG but he is such a bad capper
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WHAT A JOKE! I WROTE THE GUY IS SO SHIT AND THAT IS AN INFRACTION HERE HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH> COMPARED TO WHAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN IN THIS WHOLE FORUM.


IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS TO ALOT OF YOU SBRPRO's WHERE ALLEGIANCES LIE HERE.

NOTICE ALL THE CAPPERSMALL GUYS ARE STILL AROUND. IF IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND. SBR GUYS WOULD GET THE BOOT IN A HEARTBEAT!

[boondoggle]

You can't expect to win in gambling tailing someone.

Your statement above gets you added to my list..enjoy.

[God1]

why such big bets on the worst offenses in baseball

[boondoggle]

why such big bets on the worst offenses in baseball

The pirates got very lucky (I'm huge pirate fan since the 70's when willie played for them)..pirates pitcher hits a double scores 2 runs, astros make insane errors at horrible times..etc..so astros could have won that game..

The pads game was closer to a coin flip and could have gone either way...The only bad game of the 3 was seattle.

GG was up 440+ units playing his style...no one was complaining, whining or moaning on the way up.

EVERYONE HAS LOSING STREAKS IN GAMBLING. Let me repeat for the reading challenged peeps. EVERYONE HAS LOSING STREAKS IN GAMBLING.

[God1]

The pirates got very lucky (I'm huge pirate fan since the 70's when willie played for them)..pirates pitcher hits a double scores 2 runs, astros make insane errors at horrible times..etc..so astros could have won that game..

But isn't that part of what makes the Astros the worst in baseball? They gave up 7 runs

EVERYONE HAS LOSING STREAKS IN GAMBLING. Let me repeat for the reading challenged peeps. EVERYONE HAS LOSING STREAKS IN GAMBLING.

But is it smart to risk so much on such bad teams? I'd normally understand a losing streak but betting so big on the worst of the worst, isn't that a recipe for disaster?

Maybe there's something I'm not getting but how could anyone defend all this money on horrific teams??

[NBA_Brosuf]

The thing about capping is that if you pick them obvious wins that most people would agree with your picks, you are still a mediocre capper.

However, if you got balls to drop a wad of cash on the worst team, underdog and they happens to win like Houston 20* a few games ago and it won, like you're a superstar.

GG is that superstar. Think outside the box makes people a superstar but then again, if you play such style, you do need a bigger bankroll and your ratios of picking upsets are about 70% with picking upsets will make people recognize you.

Anyone know anything about forum website politics? We are all a number to the head honcho in charge. Trolling or not, it builds drama and drama brings traffic to a site. Then again, too much drama will drive them customers elsewhere.

I don't care about drama. All I care about is catching the next person who is on a hot run.

[pwherr]

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[COLOR=#000000 ! important]just went back and did the math now. never realised about this guy before he jumped all over greek and after looking into him, didnt realize the guy was so shit. he hasnt posted plays since college ball. so i am excited for NFL season to fade Pwherr.[/color]
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WHAT A JOKE! I WROTE THE GUY IS SO SHIT AND THAT IS AN INFRACTION HERE HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH> COMPARED TO WHAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN IN THIS WHOLE FORUM.


IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS TO ALOT OF YOU SBRPRO's WHERE ALLEGIANCES LIE HERE.

NOTICE ALL THE CAPPERSMALL GUYS ARE STILL AROUND. IF IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND. SBR GUYS WOULD GET THE BOOT IN A HEARTBEAT!

Well you have to admit what you said wasn't very nice.....Hopefully I can help you during the NFL season

[God1]

everyone makes mistakes, I'll hold off on my opinion until I see the picks tonight

when will picks tonight be posted?

[boondoggle]

But isn't that part of what makes the Astros the worst in baseball? They gave up 7 runs




But is it smart to risk so much on such bad teams? I'd normally understand a losing streak but betting so big on the worst of the worst, isn't that a recipe for disaster?

Maybe there's something I'm not getting but how could anyone defend all this money on horrific teams??

hey bud...if it is so easy to pick winners..create your own thread and show us how it is done. Even after this horrific streak..the dude is still up 235 UNITS!!!!!!!

[GGRIF82]

JUST A BOUNCH OF CRAP ON HERE

[Zzapper]

This is another episode of "Days of our lives" > What a bunch of idiots in here. Good luck GG the rest of the season.