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[hockey1980]

Fishy line here... but the same was said about the NC State line last night. Who's thinking about jumping on Cal -2.5 tonight? They are the better team and should win by at least a TD. What is everyone thinking?

payton i agree with you... i will be playing this game...cal -2.5...cal is a point scoring team at home,...and i beleive cal will out score nevada on the road,... cal is just a better team...bol...also looking at cal tt over and team totals....

played cinny/ncst first half totals... thank god i wagered @over 27. for the push... could not beleive ncst could not kick the pat....would have been pist if i had 27.5 like many did....

[hockey1980]

What does everyone think of South Miss?

i am not sure which two teams will show up.....will they be the ones that had terrible games there first week or will it be the teams that showed up last week.....

looking at the late game...cal/nev.....

[MickeysWay]

Say mama's boy (j mobile) i hope you never play anything i post. I rarely ever post, but i believe i've made 9 this year and i'm 7-2. And i don't take the credit. It's info i get & choose to share.
I'm glad that your so perfect & win all your plays. That's probably why you only contribute bs to this forum and just tale everyone else's plays.
If you don't have anything positive to say, you should just stay home, little boy!

[edimax]

Is there any good plays for today? Or i have to select some of the europian to football leagues?

[Hazious]

i need a strong 3 team parlay, suggestions?

[jnickell100]

Say mama's boy (j mobile) i hope you never play anything i post. I rarely ever post, but i believe i've made 9 this year and i'm 7-2. And i don't take the credit. It's info i get & choose to share. I'm glad that your so perfect & win all your plays. That's probably why you only contribute bs to this forum and just tale everyone else's plays. If you don't have anything positive to say, you should just stay home, little boy!

what are you talking about man. Dont start shit in here, its been chill for like a week now

[Rose']

i need a strong 3 team parlay, suggestions?

O's Rockies Zona Thats my lil 3teamer Paco said No MLB until post season so Im going light for fun BOL guys

[THECRIPPLER]

SD--COL--CAL (3-team parlay)

[hockey1980]

cfl players.... i am looking at calgary @ saskatchewan... cal -3.... calgary leads the league in just about every stat.... any thoughts....
i like calgary -3... think it is a steal

[BetterBizness]

For those for the love for Iglooball...

Upped my CFL pick 5 more x tonight to 10x in the Maple Syrup and Snowflake Special (MSSFS)..

Got Calgary now 10 Units @ -2.5 - But most books have it for - 3 to 3.5 now...

Here's hoping...

[investor]

Anyone like the Bmore Orioles today over the Yankees?

[BetterBizness]

cfl players.... i am looking at calgary @ saskatchewan... cal -3.... calgary leads the league in just about every stat.... any thoughts....
i like calgary -3... think it is a steal

Dude if you put the dancing on it I will Kick your azz ... Sask will clearly NOT make this easy for us...

But it's the play to make...

[Hazious]

all ml crip?

[hockey1980]

For those for the love for Iglooball...

Upped my CFL pick 5 more x tonight to 10x in the Maple Syrup and Snowflake Special (MSSFS)..

Got Calgary now 10 Units @ -2.5 - But most books have it for - 3 to 3.5 now...

Here's hoping...

a canadian "scs"...... i am glad you feel that strong with a play on calgary.... i am with you Calgary -3 10x.....let's get'm "stamp's"...

[Hazious]

if u guys feel that strong about calgary imma put it in my parlay for a 4 teamer

[CapsHockey]

Caps, thanks for your answer. And thanks for all you others who answered as well. I did look this up on the net. And you're right. The definition for added games is games that are not part of Vegas' regular rotation. What's confusing to me, however, (and nobody need answer this) is that these added games actually involve teams that really are part of Vegas' regular rotation. And they are listed way in advance. For instance, BetUS sends out a booklet listing all the games for each month. And they know all the added games even up to October 2nd. What you listed above, Caps, are actually "extra games", as the way they are labeled in 5 Dimes. That is, games between Division 1-A and 1-AA teams. Added games are like this weekend's games between Troy and UAB, Indiana and Western Kentucky, etc. The lines are not that outrageous. Troy -3 1/2. Indiana -12, etc. The vig is the same and you can do ML bets. Plus each one of those teams are Division 1-A teams that are on the betting boards each week. And their lines come out the same time as the rest of the teams. Anyway, thanks again for everyone's answers. I guess part of this will always be a mystery to me. Maybe I'll ask at one of the casino sports books next time I'm in Vegas.

dume, that's good info. i have to apologize because i did give bad information, although not as i understood it. upon second glance, my shop does in fact show the games i mentioned as EXTRA games, not ADDED games. the games you mentioned, like Troy-UAB, is in fact, an ADDED game. i do not understand either what the difference is, or why teams like Troy and UAB are not part of the regular rotation. i was always under the impression that ADDED games were the games involving teams that were not in the regular rotation. the term EXTRA games is new to me.

however, i would like to point out, that off-shore betting is slightly different than Vegas betting. Vegas has its rotation, and off-shore books use a different rotation. i have seen references to both the Vegas rotation and the offshore rotation. you can confirm this by looking at the rotation numbers for a game in both types of sportsbooks, they are probably different. perhaps this explains the different terms somehow.

if anyone is using a Vegas sportsbook, could you tell us how each of these games is listed in Vegas?

UMass @ Michigan -- ADDED or EXTRA?
Troy @ UAB -- ADDED or EXTRA?

[THECRIPPLER]

Yea all ML

Sep 17 CFB [105] CALIFORNIA -140
Sep 17 MLB [911] SDG -150 [M LATOS -R/Action]
Sep 17 MLB [913] COL -141 [U JIMENEZ -R/Action]
Risking 50 SBR To Win 194.17 SBR Ticket#: 367412

For the Book....

[BetterBizness]

a canadian "scs"...... i am glad you feel that strong with a play on calgary.... i am with you Calgary -3 10x.....let's get'm "stamp's"...

My question is should I be attempting to middle this game? taking the 3.5 on Sask.. Lose so much juice on the miss though... but 20x to nail Calgary by 3?

[Scully]

Saskatchewan took a road licking from Winnipeg last week and you can be sure they'll be pumped and ready for visiting Calgary tonight. This is the CFL and nothing ever goes the way it's supposed to, so I'd be extra careful with laying your money on the visitors in this game. Just my thoughts.

[BetterBizness]

Saskatchewan took a road licking from Winnipeg last week and you can be sure they'll be pumped and ready for visiting Calgary tonight. This is the CFL and nothing ever goes the way it's supposed to, so I'd be extra careful with laying your money on the visitors in this game. Just my thoughts.

I agree... But despite "being due"... The play is still the play... I'm not saying Sask Can't win.. I'm just saying that Calgary is the clear play based on many factors... Among them is that Calgary has beaten everyone up that they faced and are VERY healthy... Sask is beaten up on the O line, on 4 days rest and Durant is playing through his worst stretch of the year...

Clearly 5-0 at home says something... but is that enough?

[jayson311]

Pac have n e plays tonight

[nmr123321]

good luck tonight man

[dume walker]

Gentlemen, I think I just figured out what the significance of designating a game as an "added game" is. My guess is, if a casino or online book designates a game as "added" you cannot use it as part of a parlay. Some of the games that some books have as "added" are not designated that way in 5 Dimes. Troy-UAB, for instance. In fact, from what I could tell, 5 Dimes has no "added game" designation. Bodog does, however, and so does BetUS. One of the other things Bodog does is put a red box around all the sides and totals they will not let you use as part of a parlay. All their added games had a red box around them. This would now seem to make sense, as teams like Florida International and Western Kentucky and some others are harder to predict outcomes on and it's always teams like that or UL Monroe, North Texas and others that tend to get beat up on, that are usually the added games. What would further seem to validate this is that there are never any NFL games that are "added". Yes, all NFL teams are all part of Vegas' regular rotation but -- with NFL teams getting closer to parity each year; with lines rarely in the doulbe digits -- there are no NFL teams, bad as some may be, that are the NFL equivalent of a Florida International or Western Kentucky.

So I'm guessing that's what an "added" designation boils down to. We'll let you bet this game, but you can't make it part of a parlay. One way to test... For those of you who have online books that show added NCAAF games, try making one part of a parlay (don't push the final submit button) and see if the book allows it.

[Nomadik]

dume, that's good info. i have to apologize because i did give bad information, although not as i understood it. upon second glance, my shop does in fact show the games i mentioned as EXTRA games, not ADDED games. the games you mentioned, like Troy-UAB, is in fact, an ADDED game. i do not understand either what the difference is, or why teams like Troy and UAB are not part of the regular rotation. i was always under the impression that ADDED games were the games involving teams that were not in the regular rotation. the term EXTRA games is new to me.

however, i would like to point out, that off-shore betting is slightly different than Vegas betting. Vegas has its rotation, and off-shore books use a different rotation. i have seen references to both the Vegas rotation and the offshore rotation. you can confirm this by looking at the rotation numbers for a game in both types of sportsbooks, they are probably different. perhaps this explains the different terms somehow.

if anyone is using a Vegas sportsbook, could you tell us how each of these games is listed in Vegas?

UMass @ Michigan -- ADDED or EXTRA?
Troy @ UAB -- ADDED or EXTRA?

Vegas doesn't use "Extra" games it ADDs games

[mrfredde]

What do we think about the always so bad AJ Burnett tonight, Orioles TT O4?

[haveuseenm]

Fishy line here... but the same was said about the NC State line last night. Who's thinking about jumping on Cal -2.5 tonight? They are the better team and should win by at least a TD. What is everyone thinking?

put my cal bet in monday

[CapsHockey]

Gentlemen, I think I just figured out what the significance of designating a game as an "added game" is. My guess is, if a casino or online book designates a game as "added" you cannot use it as part of a parlay. Some of the games that some books have as "added" are not designated that way in 5 Dimes. Troy-UAB, for instance. In fact, from what I could tell, 5 Dimes has no "added game" designation. Bodog does, however, and so does BetUS. One of the other things Bodog does is put a red box around all the sides and totals they will not let you use as part of a parlay. All their added games had a red box around them. This would now seem to make sense, as teams like Florida International and Western Kentucky and some others are harder to predict outcomes on and it's always teams like that or UL Monroe, North Texas and others that tend to get beat up on, that are usually the added games. What would further seem to validate this is that there are never any NFL games that are "added". Yes, all NFL teams are all part of Vegas' regular rotation but -- with NFL teams getting closer to parity each year; with lines rarely in the doulbe digits -- there are no NFL teams, bad as some may be, that are the NFL equivalent of a Florida International or Western Kentucky.

So I'm guessing that's what an "added" designation boils down to. We'll let you bet this game, but you can't make it part of a parlay. One way to test... For those of you who have online books that show added NCAAF games, try making one part of a parlay (don't push the final submit button) and see if the book allows it.

dume, i hate to complicate things even further, but i think this is a valid discussion.

my offshore shop will let me parlay ADDED games, like the Troy-UAB game or MTSU-Memphis. i cannot, however, parlay EXTRA games, like UMASS-MICH or PORT ST-OREGON.

so, if that's what you're experiencing, then maybe you just meant to say EXTRA games instead of ADDED games.


what we still need to clarify is what makes a game ADDED, instead of part of the regular rotation. my suspicion on this is as follows: ADDED games involve teams that do not have enough history to qualify for the regular board/rotation. look at the teams involved in the ADDED games for this week. in each game you will find that one (or both) of the teams is a relative newcomer to 1-A football: W. Kentucky, N. Texas, Arkansas St., FIU, MTSU, and Troy. See where I'm going with this?

therefore:

EXTRA games are games between board teams and non-board teams. EXTRA games CANNOT be used in parlays. (i.e. - UMASS @ Michigan)

ADDED games are games that were not part of the original rotation for that week, due to the fact that one or more of the teams involved does not have sufficient history to be considered as part of the regular Vegas rotation. they CAN, however, be used in parlays. (i.e. - UAB @ Troy)


how's that sound?

[dume walker]

Vegas doesn't use "Extra" games it ADDs games

From what I can tell, "extra games" are those between FBS (Division 1-A) teams and FCS (Division 1-AA) teams.

[CapsHockey]

Each play is for .5x

WAS-PHI UNDER 8 -105
AZ-PIT UNDER 7.5 -105
NYM +120
HOU EV
OAK +105
TEX -105

GL TO ALL!

[CapsHockey]

From what I can tell, "extra games" are those between FBS (Division 1-A) teams and FCS (Division 1-AA) teams.

THAT IS CORRECT

[cdhfootball]

Feedback please! thanks

[dume walker]

dume, i hate to complicate things even further, but i think this is a valid discussion.

my offshore shop will let me parlay ADDED games, like the Troy-UAB game or MTSU-Memphis. i cannot, however, parlay EXTRA games, like UMASS-MICH or PORT ST-OREGON.

so, if that's what you're experiencing, then maybe you just meant to say EXTRA games instead of ADDED games.


what we still need to clarify is what makes a game ADDED, instead of part of the regular rotation. my suspicion on this is as follows: ADDED games involve teams that do not have enough history to qualify for the regular board/rotation. look at the teams involved in the ADDED games for this week. in each game you will find that one (or both) of the teams is a relative newcomer to 1-A football: W. Kentucky, N. Texas, Arkansas St., FIU, MTSU, and Troy. See where I'm going with this?

therefore:

EXTRA games are games between board teams and non-board teams. EXTRA games CANNOT be used in parlays. (i.e. - UMASS @ Michigan)

ADDED games are games that were not part of the original rotation for that week, due to the fact that one or more of the teams involved does not have sufficient history to be considered as part of the regular Vegas rotation. they CAN, however, be used in parlays. (i.e. - UAB @ Troy)


how's that sound?

By George, Caps, I think you've got it. Would seem to make excellent sense to me. So by "regular rotation" what the books mean is not teams that we put lines on every week, but teams we've been tracking for the last several years. I'm going with that until someone states otherwise. And leaving points as a thank you.

Now here is the second question I wanted to put out to all... It regards what I believe Paco referred to as "correlated wagers". The example being that you cannot parlay a game total and a team total. So tonight, for instance, you can't parlay the Nev/Cal over with the Cal TT over. In MLB you can't parlay an over or under with a runline. The deal seems to be that we will not allow you to parlay one bet with another that might affect that second bet's outcome. I'm guessing the reason for that is that -- using the Cal/Nev example -- if the game were to go over it's like the Cal TT would go over as well. And since one outcome means the second outcome is more likely we (the books) will not allow you to combine those two wagers and get an enhanced parlay payout. Am I right about this? Would appreciate if anyone could elaborate further.

[haveuseenm]

Added Game - For sports betting, a game not part of Las Vegas regular rotation posted as an accommodation to customers

[CapsHockey]

Feedback please! thanks

I'm not crazy about your Eagles play. I won't bet that game, but if I had to, I'd take the Lions.

And your parlay for tonight is very chalky and a little square, to be honest. I haven't seen one person all day on either A) Nationals; B) Saskatchewan; or C) Dodgers. I find it hard to believe that everyone can go 3-for-3 tonight in those plays. Joe Public seems to be all over those games, and everyone is on the same side.

Everything else looks like winners!! Good luck!!

p.s. -- can you tell me about the fight you bet? I notice you like Sergio Mora. Insight?

[CapsHockey]

By George, Caps, I think you've got it. Would seem to make excellent sense to me. So by "regular rotation" what the books mean is not teams that we put lines on every week, but teams we've been tracking for the last several years. I'm going with that until someone states otherwise. And leaving points as a thank you.

Now here is the second question I wanted to put out to all... It regards what I believe Paco referred to as "correlated wagers". The example being that you cannot parlay a game total and a team total. So tonight, for instance, you can't parlay the Nev/Cal over with the Cal TT over. In MLB you can't parlay an over or under with a runline. The deal seems to be that we will not allow you to parlay one bet with another that might affect that second bet's outcome. I'm guessing the reason for that is that -- using the Cal/Nev example -- if the game were to go over it's like the Cal TT would go over as well. And since one outcome means the second outcome is more likely we (the books) will not allow you to combine those two wagers and get an enhanced parlay payout. Am I right about this? Would appreciate if anyone could elaborate further.

I think we got it too! Extra vs. Added. "And if ya don't know, now ya know..."

And yes, I've always understood it that way too about the limitations on parlays. You cannot parlay correlated wagers for just that reason. Nice work, dume! And thanks for the points!