Kenny Rogers - you decide

**moses millsap** · 10-22-06, 11:00 PM

Looks like shit to me.

**isetcap** · 10-22-06, 11:06 PM

I'm sure I've mentioned it before but it is standard in most 3rd world countries for people to "clean" themselves with their left hands, because many places do not have paper products. You'd think they could at least get some toilet paper in the Tigers clubhouse!

**onlooker** · 10-23-06, 12:54 AM

Looks like sheit, but did he grab any dirt on the pitchers mound or anything? Maybe its just moist dirt.

**tacomax** · 10-23-06, 01:10 AM

I wonder if he had been fisting Todd Jones before the game?

**xxx** · 10-23-06, 01:14 AM

wonder if television or camera could of pick that up 20 years ago?

**bigboydan** · 10-23-06, 01:14 AM

IF it is pine tar, then that would should explain his masterful preformences during this great run the Tigers and he has been on.

Remember, this guy hasn't done a damn thing in the playoffs in the past. Now he's pitching like Cy Young.

**Illusion** · 10-23-06, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by bigboydan

IF it is pine tar, then that would should explain his masterful preformences during this great run the Tigers and he has been on.

Remember, this guy hasn't done a damn thing in the playoffs in the past. Now he's pitching like Cy Young.

It sure does not explain innings 2 through 8. He must have got lucky only allowing two hits and 0 earned runs after cleaning his hand.

**tacomax** · 10-23-06, 01:47 AM

Bit odd that he has had a similar-looking substance on the same place in his last 3 starts, though.

**goldengoat** · 10-23-06, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by tacomax

I wonder if he had been fisting Todd Jones before the game?

if jones would have blown that game, rodgers would have been fisting him after the game for sure

**onlooker** · 10-23-06, 01:59 AM

Im not sure what it is, but it is strange that its been there the last few times he has pitched. But wouldnt someone notice some pine tar on the baseballs? Or is that just from the bats?

**Illusion** · 10-23-06, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by tacomax

Bit odd that he has had a similar-looking substance on the same place in his last 3 starts, though.

He clearly pitched well without the substance (whatever it was). If he was trying to cheat it makes no sense as to why since his command has been near flawless this postseason.

**bigboydan** · 10-23-06, 02:14 AM

This reminds me of the old veteran pitcher in the movie "major league". When he said he used crisco, and snot on the ball.

**onlooker** · 10-23-06, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by Illusion

He clearly pitched well without the substance (whatever it was). If he was trying to cheat it makes no sense as to why since his command has been near flawless this postseason.

It dont strike you strange, that something has been there on the same hand, and pretty much the same spot the last few starts?

Im sure they will keep a good eye on him come game 6.

**bigboydan** · 10-23-06, 02:19 AM

Good point looker.

Now that Rogers has been exposed with that substance on his hand, I'm wondering if there might just be some value with that updated series price with the Cardinals.

**Illusion** · 10-23-06, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by onlòóker

It dont strike you strange, that something has been there on the same hand, and pretty much the same spot the last few starts?

There's no doubt he was hiding something, but he did fine without it the rest of the game which makes me question why he even attemped to cheat in the first place.

Why didn't the umpire inspect his hand anyways? There's a rule that states foreign substances are not allowed and is punishable by immediate ejection and 10 game suspension.

**onlooker** · 10-23-06, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by Illusion

There's a rule that states foreign substances are not allowed and is punishable by immediate ejection and 10 game suspension.

I know, I seen that on sports center myself.

He did pitch well afterwards, but maybe he was hiding it better? Who knows, but maybe this will effect Rogers in game 6.

**hanco21** · 10-23-06, 03:22 AM

No doubt in my mind its pine tar with a little dirt mix.

**jjgold** · 10-23-06, 05:54 AM

Did not give up a run after he washed it, Kenny is just un hittable right now.

**Sam Odom** · 10-23-06, 08:16 AM

Truth is : This is a non-issue because of innings 2-8. Whatever the stain was it won't be there in gm 6 (if there is a gm 6)

**moses millsap** · 10-23-06, 09:19 AM

It's obvious he's been cheating, but the blame should also fall on LaRussa for being such a pansy and not having them check the substance immediately when they spotted it and for the umps for just letting it pass as "dirt".

He did pitch well in innings 2-8, but there could've have been some residue left on his hand. He was a career bum in the playoffs before his magical run this year. He's either using that substance to aid him or he bought a large supply of Taco's beans.

**Willie Bee** · 10-23-06, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by goldengoat

if jones would have blown that game, rodgers would have been fisting him after the game for sure

True.

It doesn't look like 'a clump of dirt' to me

**moses millsap** · 10-23-06, 10:13 AM

Yeah, like I heard on the radio this morning, when is dirt oily?

**Tchocky** · 10-23-06, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by tacomax

I wonder if he had been fisting Todd Jones before the game?

That's not fair but Rogers should have fisted Todd after allowing that run in the 9th.

**moses millsap** · 10-23-06, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Tchocky

That's not fair but Rogers should have fisted Todd after allowing that run in the 9th.

Tell me about it, I had Tigers -2 +169 and ended up with a push because of that.

**pags11** · 10-24-06, 05:03 AM

pine tar no doubt...you mix a little sweat with pinetar and you get some nasty break on your curveball...

**Bread** · 10-08-09, 11:38 AM

Bump for hhsilver.

Here is pags being cordial in a Tacomax thread, late 2006