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  • Doug
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 08-10-05
    • 6324

    #36
    people can't deposit there.

    no **/**, e-checks available.
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    • jjgold
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-20-05
      • 388179

      #37
      The bigger tv games matchbook has solid volume, the smaller market teams your not going to find any real big time volume.
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      • Mudcat
        Restricted User
        • 07-21-05
        • 9287

        #38
        I gotta say, it has been looking pretty weak tonight. Even right at gametime, there were quite a few spreads with only the low 3 digit $$$ available. Surprising to me.

        Compared to what I'm seeing on my spreadsheet from the same time last year, something has changed.

        A lot of ML's and totals aren't getting into respectable dollars until the line is barely competetive.

        Overall it's still more useful than your typical full juice book - but I'm just saying.
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        • krk1030
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 08-13-08
          • 17610

          #39
          They do free b2b transfers, not sure why more people dont play there.
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          • roasthawg
            SBR MVP
            • 11-09-07
            • 2990

            #40
            Originally posted by Mudcat
            I gotta say, it has been looking pretty weak tonight. Even right at gametime, there were quite a few spreads with only the low 3 digit $$$ available. Surprising to me.

            Compared to what I'm seeing on my spreadsheet from the same time last year, something has changed.

            A lot of ML's and totals aren't getting into respectable dollars until the line is barely competetive.

            Overall it's still more useful than your typical full juice book - but I'm just saying.
            Bad economy = less gambling money
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            • Nicky Santoro
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 04-08-08
              • 16103

              #41
              well, my only complaint was nhl.. now it seems like NBA is starting to get on my nerves.. here we are 10 min to tip off on the last NBA game and you can only get about 80 bucks on each side of the por vs hou game.
              is that sick or what.. what has happened to Matchy.. i used to love this book.. last year, there was 4,000 on each side 10 min before a late game.. now.... 80 bucks each side.. wow...
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              • Doug
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 08-10-05
                • 6324

                #42
                see post #36
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                • Doug
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 08-10-05
                  • 6324

                  #43
                  Well into halftime, nearly over, in fact.

                  no offers !

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                  • purecarnagge
                    SBR MVP
                    • 10-05-07
                    • 4843

                    #44
                    lets put this into english...

                    when people have a hassle depositing, they stop playing there.

                    Hockey and NBA are not as popular as College and NFL NCAAF trumps even those.

                    Until College football games start to thin out, Basketball, Hockey liquidity will not go up.

                    In 2-3 weeks the NHL and NBA games will have alot more "action" on them.
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                    • JBC77
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-23-07
                      • 3816

                      #45
                      Matchbook is a great place to play. You have to have another book or two in the wings but other than that a few more deposit options and they would be on top. It's the best thing in terms of pricing as U.S players are going to get since Pinny dumped us.

                      Nicky, for christ sakes, takes some Midol for your menstrual cramps. All you do is b1tch and moan.....

                      If they don't have the liquidity on NHL that suits your needs go somewhere else.
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                      • Mudcat
                        Restricted User
                        • 07-21-05
                        • 9287

                        #46
                        Originally posted by purecarnagge
                        Hockey and NBA are not as popular as College and NFL NCAAF trumps even those.
                        Liquidity on college football has not been particularly good this year. Very spotty.

                        (College hoops hasn't been much in the past so I wouldn't expect much on that at all.)

                        NFL remains great. Baseball was great. They probably are down from the previous year but I guess they had liquidity to spare.


                        Originally posted by purecarnagge
                        Until College football games start to thin out, Basketball, Hockey liquidity will not go up.

                        In 2-3 weeks the NHL and NBA games will have alot more "action" on them.

                        Kinda makes sense in theory. It's nothing new though.

                        Last year at this same point in the college season there was much more liquidity on NBA (and, to a lesser extent, NHL). If the effect you describe is legitimate (liquidity in other sports increasing at the end of the college season) it should also have happened in previous years. Things should happen in proportion and we will (theoretically) be better off than we are now but still be way behind.


                        Which is a drag. Bottom line as far a I'm concerned: the off-shore gambling industry needs Americans and things keep getting more and more fvcked up for them.
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                        • coldhardfacts
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 10-19-07
                          • 717

                          #47
                          Originally posted by krk1030
                          It doesnt even seem worth it with reduced juice at 5 dimes. It's easier knowing any point on game day I can get -105 and get any amount I want.

                          You can? Anytime I try to make a bet over $500 it's rejected. WTF?
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                          • Santo
                            SBR MVP
                            • 09-08-05
                            • 2957

                            #48
                            NCAAF has basically been gameday only, NCABB will be non-existent I think
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                            • WileOut
                              SBR MVP
                              • 02-04-07
                              • 3844

                              #49
                              Man if the UIGEA is stopped from being implemented it would help matchbook immensely. We as internet gamblers are due for a break, please let this happen.
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                              • White_Tiger
                                SBR Sharp
                                • 08-29-07
                                • 465

                                #50
                                Originally posted by Doug
                                people can't deposit there.

                                no **/**, e-checks available.


                                This said it all guy. All the small guys lost money now and so hard to deposit it in.
                                Moneygram easiest No
                                ** NO
                                Yes they do b2b but how many people got enough money to spread it out on so many book?

                                I told my friend about MB 2 weeks ago after he open account and can't get the $ in. He then said **** them he just stay with 5dimes reduce juice and live Bookie.
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                                • White_Tiger
                                  SBR Sharp
                                  • 08-29-07
                                  • 465

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by coldhardfacts
                                  You can? Anytime I try to make a bet over $500 it's rejected. WTF?
                                  5 dimes reduce juice only for $500 max. Any amount bigger than that you can do $500 reduce juice and the rest on -110.
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                                  • Nicky Santoro
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 04-08-08
                                    • 16103

                                    #52
                                    boys, what a piece of sht book this matchy has turned out to be.. NHL.... at 1 min to post.. they have got 84 bucks on one side, and 121 bucks on the other.. what a freakin joke.. and i make fair offers too, and NOTHING.. absolutely NOTHING.. no one wants to budge..


                                    matchy, i have one thing to say to you.. sorry.. i mean, 9 things......

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                                    • tacomax
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 08-10-05
                                      • 9619

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by Nicky Santoro
                                      boys, what a piece of sht book this matchy has turned out to be.. NHL.... at 1 min to post.. they have got 84 bucks on one side, and 121 bucks on the other.. what a freakin joke.. and i make fair offers too, and NOTHING.. absolutely NOTHING.. no one wants to budge..


                                      matchy, i have one thing to say to you.. sorry.. i mean, 9 things......

                                      Haven't you spent the last couple of days criticizing someone for not having a balance at Matchbook?

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                                      • Doug
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 08-10-05
                                        • 6324

                                        #54
                                        Don't lose at Matchbook, you'll never get back in !
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                                        • durito
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 07-03-06
                                          • 13173

                                          #55
                                          bank wires to matchbook

                                          1 click -- 1 day

                                          easier than neteller
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                                          • tomcarter
                                            SBR High Roller
                                            • 11-10-08
                                            • 223

                                            #56
                                            I have used bank wires to matchbook and never had a problem until about a month ago. has anyone been experiencing problems like the guy in this thread.

                                            I dont think the link works anymore but its an sbr thread from a couple of months ago,just google matchbook bank wire nightmare

                                            Sports betting and handicapping forum: discuss picks, odds, and predictions for upcoming games and results on latest bets.


                                            I just wonder what the climate will be with the legislation and how banks in the us will react.The liquidity and volume problems at matchbook are obviously due to not having **/** as an option.

                                            The history of exhanges in the us have not been good but at least it not like in britain and europe where traditional bookmakers are trying to wipe out the exchanges.flutter,sportingoptions,etc.. are gone but betfair still rambles on though.

                                            It should be interesting with the new legislation to see how it effects US banks and bank wires.
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                                            • Mudcat
                                              Restricted User
                                              • 07-21-05
                                              • 9287

                                              #57
                                              FWIW, here is a working link of the Matchbook Bankwire Nightmare thread from 2007.
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                                              • chemist
                                                SBR High Roller
                                                • 01-15-08
                                                • 217

                                                #58
                                                NBA liquidity is looking good this morning! Mostly five to eight cent lines in nickel amounts.
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                                                • Mudcat
                                                  Restricted User
                                                  • 07-21-05
                                                  • 9287

                                                  #59
                                                  Well, these things are subjective. What I am seeing right now looks horribly, painfully inadequate. But if it is doing the job for you then that's great.

                                                  It will get a lot better as game times approach. If recent patterns hold, it will still be inadequate (to me), but you can count on it being better than it is now.
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                                                  • Keith Richard
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 07-06-06
                                                    • 1576

                                                    #60
                                                    It also sucks on NFL 1st halves. 5 minutes till tipoff and some games I wanted only had $2 offered on the other side. Ridiculous.
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                                                    • Santo
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 09-08-05
                                                      • 2957

                                                      #61
                                                      I'm not sure they've ever been worthwhile on those kind of markets. Betfair had about £30 at a 20 cent spread on most first halves... those kind of markets aren't very exchange-friendly.
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                                                      • Mark Shark
                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                        • 03-29-07
                                                        • 445

                                                        #62
                                                        If everyone who have been whinging about liquidity put up some bets then liquidity would no longer be a problem......
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                                                        • Matt Rain
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 02-13-07
                                                          • 5001

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by Mark Shark
                                                          If everyone who have been whinging about liquidity put up some bets then liquidity would no longer be a problem......
                                                          Exactly. I don't understand all the whining. Do you people only gobble up existing offers? Take advantage of gobblers by putting up your own offers...
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                                                          • Mark Shark
                                                            SBR Sharp
                                                            • 03-29-07
                                                            • 445

                                                            #64
                                                            Good for you Matt Rain....Well Said
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                                                            • Keith Richard
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 07-06-06
                                                              • 1576

                                                              #65
                                                              I DO put up offers almost every day that I bet.
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                                                              • Mudcat
                                                                Restricted User
                                                                • 07-21-05
                                                                • 9287

                                                                #66
                                                                That is some great thinking Matt and Mark, except for one thing - liquidity sucks.

                                                                When we talk about lack of liquidity, it doesn't just mean that offers aren't there waiting to be taken. It also means that when offers are put up, they aren't being matched as readily as the past.

                                                                Liquidity means the total flow of action. That means buyers and sellers. Everything is down. At least that has been my experience and was my hypothesis in starting the thread.
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                                                                • Mark Shark
                                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                                  • 03-29-07
                                                                  • 445

                                                                  #67
                                                                  I understand what you are saying too Mudcat, but as you know last year there was one point between opposing teams, for eg. Lakers -105 Vs Suns +104. Now at times there is up to an 8 point gap and that is too much when you consider you have to pay 2% commissions on top of that.
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                                                                  • Nicky Santoro
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 04-08-08
                                                                    • 16103

                                                                    #68
                                                                    good luck tonight when you want to bet a dog at +143 in NHL and it's 2 min to post time, and you can take up to 11 dollars on one side, and 23 dollars on the other side.. but then you can grab the next best price at +140 and get 112 dollars.. then make the offer of +140 again, and it will stay there all night without anyone matching it..

                                                                    I've got 4 things to say about matchy, and here they are..

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                                                                    • Mark Shark
                                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                                      • 03-29-07
                                                                      • 445

                                                                      #69
                                                                      The difference between you guys and me is I have Pinnacle to always fall back on. So it never really bothers me as I always have an out.
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                                                                      • ForgetWallStreet
                                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                                        • 04-27-07
                                                                        • 342

                                                                        #70
                                                                        I bet dimes across the board and have not had trouble getting action filled once this NBA season at market price or slightly better.

                                                                        College Buckets? Well that's another story entirely, but it seems like this thread is a nothing more than a bunch of whining and posturing.
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