Explain it to the new guy: are ALL online casino's really rigged?

**5mike5** · 01-16-12, 09:23 PM

hmmmmmmmmm.....

YES!!!!!!!!!!

**PD77** · 01-16-12, 10:12 PM

What some might refer to as rigged is that many casinos claim to have a verified Random Number Generator (RNG) that chooses the next card in blackJack or Video Poker or a slot reel or the die in craps. It can be argued that a computer cannot truly produce an actual random number.

As far as being rigged, there are plenty of rouge casino software providers out there that can intentionally or unintentionally manipulate the software to their advantage quite easily. Take for example the recent BLR casino clusterfuk that hit 5Dimes and Legends.

SBR Forum - Sports Betting Talk - Sportsbook Review Forum

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/1367807-rigged-casino-software-found.html

Sports betting and handicapping forum: discuss picks, odds, and predictions for upcoming games and results on latest bets.

BLR had an incentive to rig the software because they received a cut of the profits. The more it took, the more they got paid and the sportsbook profited. It usually takes months or years for a player to prove the software is crooked. Did 5Dimes or Legends offer any kickback to the players for screwing them, HELL NO. Therefore I guess it pays to put out crooked software, screw over the unsuspecting players, collect the rewards for the software provider and sportsbook and run like hell. What are they going to do? Not a damn thing.

Here is some "legitimate" rigging. Look at the pay tables for some of the games in the SBR casino (IE Let it Ride, VPdeuces) now go and take a look at the same exact games by the same exact software provider at Heritage, Bet Islands, Greek.
Payout for a Royal Flush at Let it Ride
SBR 1000-1 (industry standard)
Heritage 200-1
Betislands 200-1
Greek 200-1

It is obvious these books have the software tuned to the lowest possible payouts.

Play at your own risk, some software is more reputable than others but even the reputable software can be set to a certain payout percentage, It could be 98% or 82% who knows.

And to answer your question as to why, it is called GREED.

**BradyMossTD** · 01-16-12, 11:16 PM

Ok, thanks. I'm aware of the BLR fiasco, but I was just curious if that was an isolated case, or if all casino games were rigged in a slight way. Like, if they were smart about it, they could give the house an extra 2% edge in Blackjack, and no one would even be able to prove it.

Ha, GREED is a good answer though. Just seemed like maybe the risk doesn't outweigh the reward (if they get caught red-handed, they would presumably lose a ton of customers, outweighing whatever advantage they gained), since all the games favor house anyways.

In any case, I won't be wasting any money in online casinos.

**PD77** · 01-16-12, 11:48 PM

You can get better online casino information at www.casinomeister.com . Not really a sportsbook casino facing operation but the site had a lot of good information.

**mh217** · 01-17-12, 03:57 AM

always rigged..just a simple comp program to suck you dry...always disable the casino option at every book you play at to avoid the heartache and meltdown that happens to EVERYONE eventually..you will have that day when you have a nice balance and you pop in there with the intention to just bet a couple of hands...LOL...and you will chase that $5 loss into a few grand before you know what hit you..and of course its especially dangerous when you come strolling in from a night out and got a few drinks in you..never worth the aggravation since you will never win a major score at it..dont even get involved, no one EVER EVER EVER wins consistently at it...bank on that.

**FourLengthsClear** · 01-17-12, 04:10 AM

Online casinos operated by the big books in jurisdictions with strong regulations are NOT rigged.

They have their RNGs properly audited and the reputational/legal cost to the operator for having games which were not square would run into billions.

In terms of the online casinos operated by US facing books. I have no idea but given the lack of regulation/legal recourse I would not trust them.

**mtneer1212** · 01-17-12, 11:09 AM

The ony online casino I can honestly say I won money at was BetOnline, Bodog, and the live BJ at 5dimes.

**mh217** · 01-17-12, 12:11 PM

ok so this is my question to everyone that defends online casinos..what is the most you have won in one session?..please be honest..and if you want to mention whats your biggest loss thats great as well..i am pretty sure your usual experience has been that you have gotten crushed, but i would love to hear otherwise.

**FourLengthsClear** · 01-17-12, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by mh217

ok so this is my question to everyone that defends online casinos..what is the most you have won in one session?..please be honest..and if you want to mention whats your biggest loss thats great as well..i am pretty sure your usual experience has been that you have gotten crushed, but i would love to hear otherwise.

I don't normally play any casino games (or any proposition I know to be -EV) but I have partaken in a few promotions.

I won GBP 18,000 in the Betfair casino on a cash match promotion in which they allowed play in their "Zero lounge" (games with no house edge) to count towards rollover requirement. That was about 6 years ago.

As mentioned in my post above, an online casino operated by a big company in Europe is always going to be a square game. There is just too much to to lose (they would be successfully sued for hundreds of millions if it was discovered they were running rigged software). That protection does not exist if you are playing with a book/casino based in a unregulated/poorly regulated jurisdiction like Costa Rica.

**FourLengthsClear** · 01-17-12, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by mh217

always rigged..just a simple comp program to suck you dry...always disable the casino option at every book you play at to avoid the heartache and meltdown that happens to EVERYONE eventually..you will have that day when you have a nice balance and you pop in there with the intention to just bet a couple of hands...LOL...and you will chase that $5 loss into a few grand before you know what hit you..and of course its especially dangerous when you come strolling in from a night out and got a few drinks in you..never worth the aggravation since you will never win a major score at it..dont even get involved, no one EVER EVER EVER wins consistently at it...bank on that.

Of course no one wins consistently. The games have a built in house edge, you cannot win in the long run in a casino whether it is online or brick/mortar (unless you count cards in blackjack).

**Quarius** · 01-17-12, 03:45 PM

So what about the rng for online poker is this rigged also? I mean if they do it for online casinos whats to stop them for online poker?

**Pew Pew** · 01-17-12, 09:48 PM

Online casinos are bullshit... no kidding.... even the live casino are bullshit... just now I was winning BIG for 30 mins today, then all of a sudden after 2-3 hands of joining the table (I was switching between $5 and $25 min tables), their software starts to lag and I get a 15-20 sec delay from the webcam and table software, which causes me to disconnect every 2-3 hands for failing to make bets on time... this really messes up with my mojo.... and no I wasn't downloading anything and I only had 1 window open, which was the browser... when you win, there are always ways to make you lose.

It's actually my first time playing online casino with real $$$, and probably be my last time. SBR pts and SBR casino is enough to fulfill my casino excitement

fuuck 5dimes

**Santo** · 01-17-12, 10:52 PM

Your mojo? That well known influencer of cards derived from a random number generator (or live shuffling of cards) in a different country.

**slash** · 01-18-12, 12:40 AM

Most of them aren't rigged. Bossmedia, cryptologic, microgaming are the brands to look for.

**nick86** · 01-18-12, 01:30 AM

i would definitely say so

**Dark Horse** · 01-18-12, 01:35 AM

The fact that the software has different settings answers the question, doesn't it?

**Pride** · 01-19-12, 08:14 AM

if you guys have to time/bank account/patience you can win LONG TERM by playing baccarat in a real casino. All you need to do is find a baccarat table which pays out 100% on the banker. Lots of times it will be the typical 95% payout to even up the edge on banker but casinos around where I live don't even bother with that. Every few months I will go with my brother and we will play baccarat for 48 hours and strictly play banker. We go in 6 hour shifts and the hand minimum is 15 dollars so we stick with that.

Made a lot of cash every time.

**stevenash** · 01-19-12, 08:17 AM

Play at the SBR casino, where dreams come true.

**FourLengthsClear** · 01-19-12, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Pride

if you guys have to time/bank account/patience you can win LONG TERM by playing baccarat in a real casino. All you need to do is find a baccarat table which pays out 100% on the banker. Lots of times it will be the typical 95% payout to even up the edge on banker but casinos around where I live don't even bother with that. Every few months I will go with my brother and we will play baccarat for 48 hours and strictly play banker. We go in 6 hour shifts and the hand minimum is 15 dollars so we stick with that.

Made a lot of cash every time.

Is there such a place and if so are the rules identical?
It seems odd that a casino would offer a game it knows to have +EV for the player.

**Pride** · 01-19-12, 08:56 AM

there are two casinos near me that play the same rules but dont bother with the 5% commission on smaller bets because they just dont care i guess. i asked about it because the rules are usually different to eliminate advantage and the pit boss told me that it has yet to be abused to the point they would care.

i couldnt really believe it either but i only go and do it like twice a year and betting 15 a hand i dont exactly pose a threat to profits.