How are Aussie books compared to euro?

**FourLengthsClear** · 11-09-11, 07:04 PM

As a generalisation, the Aussie books have gone downhill in the last 2-3 years. They used to take a good bet but now pretty much follow the European 'model' and will limit quickly. This should not be too surprising as there have been a few takeovers of these books by Europeans (Paddy Power owns Sportsbet for example).

In-play is not big because in-play wagering is illegal over the internet in Australia.

**shari91** · 11-09-11, 07:19 PM

Yes FLC and Sportingbet now owns Centrebet. So basically this is like UK lite here except we can't legally place live bets online.

And winner, no... for US sports they don't copy Pinny lines. Or if they do, they juice the heck out of them. For Aussie sports however you'll pick up good deals as well as if you like wagering on dogs in US sports. Tennis dogs too. Yes you'll get limited on certain things but you'll also get to lay a lot of money down as well if you pick and choose your spots wisely.

Great books as far as safety of funds and no fees to withdraw. Payment to your bank account by 12:01am the next day if you get the request in by 9 or 10am. Crappy lines for the most part. Often more or at least different props than Euro books. Can be limited quickly on certain types of wagers. They offer bonus bets and random freeplays without the deposit requirements or rollovers of Euro books. Overall = good outs to have in your rotation. Not good if they're your only outs.

**FourLengthsClear** · 11-09-11, 07:31 PM

One thing also to mention is the very stringent ID verification that Aussie books have to comply with. If, like me, you are not Australian/in Australia, you will need to send certified copies (by snail mail) of your passport (or equivalent) and a utility bill.

**shari91** · 11-09-11, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by FourLengthsClear

One thing also to mention is the very stringent ID verification that Aussie books have to comply with. If, like me, you are not Australian/in Australia, you will need to send certified copies (by snail mail) of your passport (or equivalent) and a utility bill.

Yeah they're hardcore and they have the 90 day rule I think it is. Don't verify within that time and your account is locked. I guess that's why things like 365's verification process don't phase me... I'm not an Aussie but I live here currently and this is just the way it is. So I've learned to keep a scanned copy of my passport saved, front and back of card with numbers blacked out, etc... because they'll all ask for it if you can't online verify (which I can't with a foreign passport). I think the conclusion people jump to when they go to withdraw and get smucked with ID requests is that the book doesn't want to pay them... what they don't realise is that these are massive books. Both in Oz and the UK obviously. They're not worried about our payouts.

If they verified everyone before they deposited it would turn into people bitching because they couldn't bet when they wanted to ie they saw that a match was on in an hour and wanted to place a bet. Physically impossible to verify everything in that time. So instead, you get to bet what you want and you just need to send your info in after the fact

**Winner_13** · 11-09-11, 08:43 PM

thxs for the insightful answers
curious, why is live play wagering illegal? do any of the books have it?
cheers

**Hareeba!** · 11-09-11, 08:46 PM

If you're not into Aussie sports and racing I don't see much point in opening an account with any of them.
Odds on the whole don't match Pinnacle and the exchanges, or SBO & 188Bet for soccer and generally they limit just as severely as the Poms (TABCorp an exception).

**Hareeba!** · 11-09-11, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by Winner_13

thxs for the insightful answers
curious, why is live play wagering illegal? do any of the books have it?
cheers

it's illegal because the dumb pollies had to put that into the legislation to appease the wowsers who have difficulty comprehending the distinction between it and gaming/pokies which the "problem gamblers" so readily succumb too.

similarly all online casino games are barred but non Aussies can play at the Ausssie sites!
go figure!

but you can bet on the races in the run at Betfair (that must have been a legislative oversight as I doubt they would have done it deliberately)

**jogumon** · 11-09-11, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by shari91

Great books as far as safety of funds

As someone who had a significant sum of money stolen by SportsAlive just months ago, I'd argue with that. Regulation in Australia apparently means nothing.

**Hareeba!** · 11-09-11, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by jogumon

As someone who had a significant sum of money stolen by SportsAlive just months ago, I'd argue with that. Regulation in Australia apparently means nothing.

yes, that's a very bad case
the legislation is in place but sadly the ACT regulators clearly were grossly inept at carrying out their duties
fortunately most Aussie books are under the regulation of the NT government
other than the ACT TAB I don't think the ACT regulators had any other books to administer
I'd still not be totally writing that money off Jogumon .. either the ACT government may be shamed into paying punters or a class action may be successful

**scoob40** · 11-09-11, 09:48 PM

Do any Aussie books take USA players ?

**Hareeba!** · 11-09-11, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by scoob40

Do any Aussie books take USA players ?

some do for racing but for sports I believe they comply with the US laws so won't

**Monte** · 11-09-11, 09:57 PM

They are all crap, Euro...Aussie...
There is a sweet pattern. Send the customer thru as many hassles as possible with IDs and stuff, as reward show him the door aka limit him.

Don't waste your time with any of these books would be my advice.
Unless you are one of those multiple ID bonus arbers, who surely deserve the ass kicking.

**Hareeba!** · 11-09-11, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by Monte

They are all crap, Euro...Aussie...
There is a sweet pattern. Send the customer thru as many hassles as possible with IDs and stuff, as reward show him the door aka limit him.

Don't waste your time with any of these books would be my advice.
Unless you are one of those multiple ID bonus arbers, who surely deserve the ass kicking.

They aren't "all crap".
If you are into Aussie sports and racing some are most certainly worth having.
If you are serious about the issue you simply need to find out upfront what ID requirements they want and comply with it. No great hassle at all unless you have something to hide.

**brettels** · 11-09-11, 10:15 PM

I don't get the issue with ID requirements, you only have to do it once and its so easy. For Australian bookies and offshore, those who complain are suspects.

**Monte** · 11-09-11, 10:20 PM

Tell that to ppl who need to hold their ID next to their face, get it signed by someone, and shit like that.

**Hareeba!** · 11-09-11, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by Monte

Tell that to ppl who need to hold their ID next to their face, get it signed by someone, and shit like that.

I've not ever experienced that. Which Aussie book has requested that?
And is it really such a big deal anyway?
It would be a pretty small price to pay for the advantage of being able to bet with my essential Aussie books.

**brettels** · 11-09-11, 10:22 PM

Where are you from monte?

also, this is what i've read in another thread from another site, so not sure if its true, maybe someone can confirm if any truth to it!!

The rumour is that once Sportingbet get bought out by Ladbrokes, that the Tripp family will start up another gig and do it all again.

Matthew tripp made sportsbet.com.au huge and made alot of money selling it to paddy, if this is true and he starts a new online sportsbook i will certainly be joining.

**MatI** · 11-09-11, 10:29 PM

If that is true, there is no way ladbrokes will let him start a new sportsbook for atleast 3-5 years...

**brettels** · 11-09-11, 10:36 PM

Ladbrokes would have no say, tripp doesn't own sportingbetAU either so i don't know why he would wait for them to be bought out. Why would you think ladbrokes wouldn't let him, they can't do anything to stop him.

**Hareeba!** · 11-09-11, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by brettels

Ladbrokes would have no say, tripp doesn't own sportingbetAU either so i don't know why he would wait for them to be bought out. Why would you think ladbrokes wouldn't let him, they can't do anything to stop him.

I'd imagine Paddy Power would have an enforceable restraint of trade condition in their contract for the purchase of Sportsbet.

**brettels** · 11-09-11, 10:41 PM

You'd imagine it but I'd want to see fact for it, until then I will live in hope that tripp brings us a new sportsbook.

**MatI** · 11-09-11, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

I'd imagine Paddy Power would have an enforceable restraint of trade condition in their contract for the purchase of Sportsbet.

This.

Originally posted by brettels

You'd imagine it but I'd want to see fact for it, until then I will live in hope that tripp brings us a new sportsbook.

If you have the contract of sale on hand, i would be happy to point it out.

It is standard procedure in pretty much every business sale.

**brettels** · 11-09-11, 10:49 PM

Sure I'll just pull the contract out of my desk draw.

**MatI** · 11-09-11, 10:51 PM

Email would be easier!!

**brettels** · 11-09-11, 10:52 PM

If you want, i was going to do a screenshot for all to see.

**brettels** · 11-09-11, 10:57 PM

Sorry, cant find it. Forgot that I'm not matthew tripp.

**psreed** · 11-25-11, 07:01 AM

Don't waste your time on Sportsbet and IASBet. Both owned by Paddy Power and have pathetic limits if you start winning. I got shut down within 10 days following a small winning run.
Both IAS and Sportsbet require you to turn over all deposits at least once before you can withdraw. So, if you do join only deposit what you expect to bet, otherwise you'll be forced to bet just to get your own money back.