BigJuicyOdds Bailout offer for BetRoyal and SBG Global Victims

**Doug** · 10-26-07, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by copper

Please help a rookie out. What is an advantage play? Following what I have been playing, it would take be 26+ weeks to reach the 20X level. I was thinking of doubling the bets and trying to make a score or go broke. Anyway, if I don't lose it all, the time to reach 20X would be cut in 1/2. Any other ideas?

Your balance is probably too high for this, but one way out is to take one of your "Sebastian 200*" plays, bet the opposite at the Bailout book, then bet even more on the good side at a book like Greek or Bookmaker.

This is probably not feasible since your balance is likely way over limits at Juicy, plus you need even more already at the " A" book. If it backfires then you have a ton at a book nobody ever heard of.

I'd push the action with a high volume of small bets on stuff you normally wouldn't bet on.

Curious is correct about not overbetting. If you guys run these balances into 6 figures you will get stiffed again, most likely.

The advantage bet is a play you think is profitable long-term, as opposed to say throwing darts to make your picks.

If everybody follows Sebastian, and he stays HOT, this place will fail for sure.

I'd try and get out fast and hope to break even.

**ShamsWoof10** · 10-26-07, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by curious

If you follow Sebastian we should hit the 20x in about 4 months, maybe 5.

It'll be interesting to see how "Janakowski" does... Keep us up to date curious and good luck...

**curious** · 10-26-07, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Doug

Your balance is probably too high for this, but one way out is to take one of your "Sebastian 200*" plays, bet the opposite at the Bailout book, then bet even more on the good side at a book like Greek or Bookmaker.

This is probably not feasible since your balance is likely way over limits at Juicy, plus you need even more already at the " A" book. If it backfires then you have a ton at a book nobody ever heard of.

I'd push the action with a high volume of small bets on stuff you normally wouldn't bet on.

Curious is correct about not overbetting. If you guys run these balances into 6 figures you will get stiffed again, most likely.

The advantage bet is a play you think is profitable long-term, as opposed to say throwing darts to make your picks.

If everybody follows Sebastian, and he stays HOT, this place will fail for sure.

I'd try and get out fast and hope to break even.

I'm not going to make any of these "bet both sides" bets. I'm just going to keep doing what I have been doing.

Well, I have an idea for some publicity that will make BJO successful beyond their wildest dreams if I can get everyone involved to agree.

**Bill Dozer** · 10-26-07, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by copper

Please help a rookie out. What is an advantage play? Following what I have been playing, it would take be 26+ weeks to reach the 20X level. I was thinking of doubling the bets and trying to make a score or go broke. Anyway, if I don't lose it all, the time to reach 20X would be cut in 1/2. Any other ideas?

Here is my advice for the SBG victims...

Think of the BJO balance as an independent gift vs. the SBG money carried over. That money is gone (unless SBG someday decides it doesn't want to be a stiff).

If you are among the players who think Sebastian's picks equal free money then maybe put the future bets in where you would play as if the BJO money did not exist. Mirror those bets at BJO.

I know you guys really want to know more about BJO but the truth is you will be the ones giving us more information. Of course we are rooting for them.

**Ganchrow** · 10-26-07, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Doug

Your balance is probably too high for this, but one way out is to take one of your "Sebastian 200*" plays, bet the opposite at the Bailout book, then bet even more on the good side at a book like Greek or Bookmaker.

This is probably not feasible since your balance is likely way over limits at Juicy, plus you need even more already at the " A" book. If it backfires then you have a ton at a book nobody ever heard of.

I'd push the action with a high volume of small bets on stuff you normally wouldn't bet on.

Curious is correct about not overbetting. If you guys run these balances into 6 figures you will get stiffed again, most likely.

The advantage bet is a play you think is profitable long-term, as opposed to say throwing darts to make your picks.

If everybody follows Sebastian, and he stays HOT, this place will fail for sure.

I'd try and get out fast and hope to break even.

Yeah, I have to agree with you on this. The optimal play for a single player (assuming he's the only one doing this) would probably involve betting all of Sebastian's picks at a "safe" book such as Pinnacle and betting the opposite line at BJO. This way, if Sebastian's picks were to lose, BJO would be more likely to have sufficient funds with which to pay out the player.

If, on the other hand, Sebastian's picks were to win, BJO would be in a lot of trouble and the player will have gained by having effectively transferred a good portion of his balance out of BJO and into the "safe book".

I think it's safe to say that if the bulk of the Sebastian crew will be betting its Sebastian plays at BJO, then on the margin a player should not place any of his Sebastian bets at BJO.

**pavyracer** · 10-26-07, 05:42 PM

I know you guys don't like playing soccer but another way of getting the rollover requirement is to bet on draws. When two equal strength teams play the draw usually pays +200 plus minus. You only need to hit one draw every three games to be even. There are hundreds of games every week to chose from. Italian, French, German leagues see many draws every week.

**bigboydan** · 10-28-07, 12:53 AM

How did you guys who received the bailout offer from BigJuicyOdds doing on your rollover requirements so far?

**copper** · 10-28-07, 08:39 AM

BJO has not funded the accounts yet. I called yesterday and they said sometime during the week. I guess that is good because yesterday was a disaster.

**Bill Dozer** · 10-28-07, 11:15 AM

Charlie, the manager of the book, is planning for funds to be available before MNF. All SBG players will get access to spreadsheet in the AM and see the balance amount we passed to BJO.

**jm765** · 10-28-07, 11:20 AM

Good thing I read this, I had 770 in my betroyal account then It was at 0 and I was like wtf, I called them and I was told they are working on getting it set back to 770.00, this has been going on for awhile, yeah right.. They kept telling me don't worry about it, I contacted bigjuicyodds.com hopefully they can help me out. I am really tired of getting scammed. Bet4aces got me last year,,, For now on I am staying with betjm.com///

**bigboydan** · 10-28-07, 10:06 PM

Sorry to hear your having such bad luck with SBG/Royal Jm765. I'm just glad to hear that your sticking with a very secure book in BetJM.

**Hap** · 10-28-07, 10:12 PM

Have any Betroyal victims gotten their deposit back?

**rotty508** · 10-29-07, 11:42 AM

They told me i would not be receiving any more payouts since i had received more then my initial deposit already.

**Skankdog** · 10-29-07, 11:45 AM

20x rollover, do you get any KY with that offer?

**cloudagh** · 10-29-07, 12:20 PM

Does anyone know what the betting limits are at BJO? 20x rollover of a big roll might hard at $25 a pop.

**Bill Dozer** · 10-29-07, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by cloudagh

Does anyone know what the betting limits are at BJO? 20x rollover of a big roll might hard at $25 a pop.

$2,000 is going to be the set limit. A player with a $20,000 balance should be able to withdraw in a month and a half. BJO will be counting the smaller of the risk/win amounts so large ML favorites will not shorten the wagering process. Some of the accounts have been credited. Players with questions should write to charlie@bigjuicyodds.com.

**Hap** · 10-29-07, 04:57 PM

How will we be informed when we have an account at BJO?

**Bill Dozer** · 10-29-07, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by Hap

How will we be informed when we have an account at BJO?

Hi Hap,

My emails to you are not going through because of the characters in your email address.

You should receive an email today and see a balance of $4500 and change.

**Bill Dozer** · 10-29-07, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by Hap

Have any Betroyal victims gotten their deposit back?

Yes, but only those who haven't take a payout above the amount of any deposits.

**Bill Dozer** · 10-29-07, 06:24 PM

$8268 $8268
$10800 $8200
$6339 $5275
$12000 $7000
$3000 $3000
$13284 $13284
$30162 (Royal: $15,835, SBG: $14,327) $30162
$8503 $4503
$9886.5 $8886.5
$5464 $4964

The 2nd column is the amount of money BJO is crediting. The difference from the first column is the amount SBG claims it will be refunding. If you do not see your figures here you should contact me asap.

**copper** · 10-30-07, 08:01 AM

Bill,
I am suprised to see the accounts. First, I thought there were a lot more then 10 accounts involved. Second, I know who the top balance is here. It is not Sebastian. Sebastian talks about betting huge. I was expecting to see an account in here over $50k for him. There was an article on gambling911.com where SBG management claims they paid Sebastian in full. Any truth to this? Just trying to get my arms around the whole picture.

**SBR_John** · 10-30-07, 11:07 AM

Bill is in the air right now heading for an assignment. He should be online tonight.

I saw that report on G911 and asked Bill about it and he said the G911 report was correct.

**20Four7** · 10-30-07, 11:18 AM

They pay off the tout and leave all the referals dangling in the wind. Great business practice that is.

**copper** · 10-30-07, 11:18 AM

Can't wait to hear Bill's reply. I guess I am wondering why SBG paid him in full but nobody else?????

**Hap** · 10-30-07, 05:48 PM

Coppet, et al, maybe the balance transferred in full is rotty's. He says above that he had already gotten his initial deposit paid back out prior to the freeze.

**Hap** · 10-30-07, 05:54 PM

I have gotten all money back (less fees for Western Union & momeygram) or put into BJO now. Thanks again very much to Bill and SBR for their help.

In addition, the extra silver lining is that I learned about the SBR site and ratings of books.

AND, BJO seems great. The NFL bets are -103 and take -3.5 down to 3 has a price of -113!

**ShamsWoof10** · 10-30-07, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Hap

AND, BJO seems great. The NFL bets are -103 and take -3.5 down to 3 has a price of -113!

WHAAAAAAAT??? Well let's see if they payout first and if so they got a new customer but this doesn't sound stable...

**Hap** · 10-30-07, 06:04 PM

Another thought on SBG/Betroyal: While they stole our winnings, it is likely that all we "Sebastian followers" would have much less in our accounts now if we had been permitted to continue betting after the freeze through Sebastian's losing October.

So the joke may be on SBG/Betroyal, which also incurred a lot of bad publicity here, and elsewhere thanks to Curious.

**curious** · 10-30-07, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Hap

Another thought on SBG/Betroyal: While they stole our winnings, it is likely that all we "Sebastian followers" would have much less in our accounts now if we had been permitted to continue betting after the freeze through Sebastian's losing October.

So the joke may be on SBG/Betroyal, which also incurred a lot of bad publicity here, and elsewhere thanks to Curious.

You haven't seen anything yet, I am lining up stories on ESPN and other major sporting outlets. I am also launching a website BetRoyalScam.com and SBGGlobalScam.com. SBG needs to pick their enemies more carefully.

**jm765** · 10-30-07, 07:38 PM

I am screwed.. I had 770.00 in my account then one day it was gone, they said it was due to the transfer of betroyal to sbg, so I called and they said they would fix it yeah right. I am even sent in a 100 bucks to play thinking it would be fixed, since I never had a problem with them. Scotty @ betjm said they were crooks. now I know 1st hand

**Doug** · 10-30-07, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by Hap

I have gotten all money back (less fees for Western Union & momeygram) or put into BJO now. Thanks again very much to Bill and SBR for their help.

In addition, the extra silver lining is that I learned about the SBR site and ratings of books.

AND, BJO seems great. The NFL bets are -103 and take -3.5 down to 3 has a price of -113!

Selling the 3 for ten cents is a very bad sign. Blue Marlin did this, and went under because of it. I was caught in that one, and Royal did a bailout for me, eventually paid it.

**bigboydan** · 10-31-07, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Doug

Selling the 3 for ten cents is a very bad sign. Blue Marlin did this, and went under because of it. I was caught in that one, and Royal did a bailout for me, eventually paid it.

Whatever happen to Reggie anyways Doug?