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    WAGERR BLOCKCHAIN SPORTSBOOK. No Limits - Available Anywhere - Guaranteed Payout

    Hi All

    It was recently suggested by a community member to showcase Wagerr on here given many of you are likely interested in what we are building.

    Below is a high level summary and you can read more on https://docs.wagerr.com/

    If you have any questions can ask on the thread and I will responsd otherwise you can join the community too.

    Wagerr offers great odds that most books can't compete with. You can see our lines here https://wagerr.com/sportsbook

    What is Wagerr?

    Wagerr is the world's first decentralized sports book that runs entirely on its own open source blockchain. As a blockchain based sportsbook, Wagerr offers bettors distinct features and benefits unavailable anywhere else. Wagerr was founded in 2017, has been operational since 2018 and continues to set the standard in the industry with unmatched transparency, true odds, unlimited betting liquidity, low fees, complete privacy, and reliability.

    The benefits of Wagerr

    Global Access
    Wagerr is a Peer-to-Peer network. Therefore, it can be accessed from anywhere in the world at any time without restrictions, as long as you have an internet connection of course.

    Private Betting
    Wagerr does not require you to sign up to its service or hand over any personal/identifying information.

    No Third Party Risks
    - The Wagerr Blockchain rids the need for trusted 3rd parties by operating entirely on a blockchain.

    - Bettors remain in complete control of their money at all times, meaning no more dodgy bookmakers running away with your funds.
    - The Wagerr blockchain acts as the counterparty to all bets and is programmed to always pay out.Winners are welcome at Wagerr and you will never be restricted or suspended. Wagerr is incapable of such actions because all users remain anonymous.

    No Betting Limits
    Bettors on the Wagerr platform are capable of betting as much as they wish. There is no need to find a counterparty either, the Wagerr blockchain will accept any size bet you make.

    Sharp odds
    The Wagerr blockchain is not a company and does not require profit. This means Wagerr can provide you with incredibly sharp odds.

    Be The House
    As a holder of the WGR currency, users share in the success of the Wagerr platform via Wagerr's revolutionary token model. Simply hold WGR to benefit from the house edge, or run a Masternode and earn a clip of the betting volume for helping support the network.
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    Just had to update the formatting. Honestly if it interests you the best place to have a read is here: https://docs.wagerr.com/

    *********************

    It won't be everyone's thing but it is a revolutionary model with the fact you remain in custody of your money, no betting limits etc. Feel free to check it out if you join the community can send a few free coins to have an intro bet.
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    I think this is the one that's a crypto scheme. You don't bet BTC or anything easily fungible, but their tokens which someday might have value. Is that it?

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    These guys hit my radar when I heard them interviewed on The Business of Betting podcast. Have a listen and tell me if it sounds like they know what they're doing and if it's a project you'd want to be involved with.

    Episode 123 -Wagerr

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    Quote Originally Posted by bookie View Post
    I think this is the one that's a crypto scheme. You don't bet BTC or anything easily fungible, but their tokens which someday might have value. Is that it?
    Yeah, you bet with the blockchains native currency WGR. There is a section here that helps explain the benefits of using WGR and how the actually works in terms of value.. https://docs.wagerr.com/learning-wag...ign-principles

    Basically the only way to offer the features that Wagerr does is by the introduction of the WGR coin. The tokens are tradeable today. i.e. someone yesterday bet the equivalent of roughly 25k USD on Indians. He can then sell the coins for BTC or USD etc. or he can continue to hold WGR and continue to bet.

    So to answer your question. the tokens have value today it's just that the idea is that if Wagerr is adopted (because of the features it offers) the value of the coins will be worth more.

    The big thing people will struggle with in my mind is that the value of WGR can change. Understanding how the 'business' model works, helps with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bookie View Post
    These guys hit my radar when I heard them interviewed on The Business of Betting podcast. Have a listen and tell me if it sounds like they know what they're doing and if it's a project you'd want to be involved with.

    Episode 123 -Wagerr
    You could also look at the explorer and see all the action all the bets etc. https://explorer.wagerr.com/#/

    In fairness it may have been better to have the betting experts on that show. you know Wagerr is sometimes difficult to explain to people, it is a new concept and the idea of betting against a blockchain is just so foreign to people. I'm hoping the docs does a better job of explaining these concepts.

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    Thanks for bumping the thread where we discussed Wagrr here for years.

    Ended up being absolute rubbish.

    Read that old thread if you care why i think that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Thanks for bumping the thread where we discussed Wagrr here for years.

    Ended up being absolute rubbish.

    Read that old thread if you care why i think that.
    I mean it's improved alot over the years. It's not like this has been done before. Going to take a few iterations to get things right and make it easy to use etc. Building a blockchain is more difficult than traditional database.

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    Betting is betting. Any time someone comes in here and attempts to tout “some other magnificent way” to bet is just garbage. Open a book the normal way, offer promos and don’t try to reinvent the wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevex View Post
    Betting is betting. Any time someone comes in here and attempts to tout “some other magnificent way” to bet is just garbage. Open a book the normal way, offer promos and don’t try to reinvent the wheel.
    That's honestly like saying betting doesn't need to happen on the internet just walk down to your local casino.

    New technology has enabled a new way of doing something.

    Look I'm not here to convert you. If it doesn't interest you so be it. If it does and you have questions ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sss_av_ltd View Post
    That's honestly like saying betting doesn't need to happen on the internet just walk down to your local casino.

    New technology has enabled a new way of doing something.

    Look I'm not here to convert you. If it doesn't interest you so be it. If it does and you have questions ask.
    Open sportsbook called “betxyz.ag,” offer deposit/reload bonuses and contests. Profit. You trying to do anything else is just a waste of time and nobody on this forum would ever fall for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevex View Post
    Open sportsbook called “betxyz.ag,” offer deposit/reload bonuses and contests. Profit. You trying to do anything else is just a waste of time and nobody on this forum would ever fall for it.
    The point is betxyz.ag can't offer no limit betting, likely restricts accounts, takes custody of your funds and doesn't offer the sharp lines that Wagerr does...

    Jesus, I'm just pointing out how something works. I'm not trying to trick you lol. Again if you aren't interested fine, but there is valuable stuff here for certain types of bettors so that's who it is for.

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    For anyone else that is reading and isn't offended by the idea of a blockchain enabled sportsbook they can ping me for a few coins to have a bet and test it themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by sss_av_ltd View Post
    For anyone else that is reading and isn't offended by the idea of a blockchain enabled sportsbook they can ping me for a few coins to have a bet and test it themselves
    It's not a "blockchain enabled sportsbook" as you yourself say it's a peer to peer betting platform (whoever figures out how to make that work in a DeFi way with an off-ramp will get rich) that uses a token that you want to sell users and that has no viable aftermarket.

    I'm someone who thinks technology can transform betting as we know it and that the marriage of the crypto-space and the offshore betting space has enormous potential. I track who's doing what, and I think about what could be done.

    But...I think you're barking up the wrong tree and don't understand your market. I do sincerely wish you luck, though. If WGR gets listed on Coinbase and in five years your blockchain is processing hundreds of millions or billions in bets per year then I'll admit you were the visionary and I was the luddite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sss_av_ltd View Post
    The point is betxyz.ag can't offer no limit betting, likely restricts accounts, takes custody of your funds and doesn't offer the sharp lines that Wagerr does...

    Jesus, I'm just pointing out how something works. I'm not trying to trick you lol. Again if you aren't interested fine, but there is valuable stuff here for certain types of bettors so that's who it is for.
    Why don't you also point out that there are a bunch of profit hungry investors waiting to get paid from my profits?

    Why don't you point out you have to use a proprietary currency that YOU are speculating on?

    Why don't you point out that not one person who isn't an "investor" like you would say a positive word about the scammy system?

    Why don't you point out that we have had to put up with urgers and rampers trying to hype this up like we are bloody idiots who don't understand it's absolute rubbish too many times already?

    Need I go on...


    Take your stupid scheme and go play together with all the other dolts who either got sucked in, or who have sucked others in. You can all play together as you slowly swirl down the bowl with your great make millions for yuorselves idea.


    Welcome to come back if you ever come up with a true P2P betting platform instead of a ponzi scheme dressed up like a sportsbook though!
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    "Wagerr: a Ponzi scheme dressed up like a sportsbook"

    Well said Optional!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Why don't you also point out that there are a bunch of profit hungry investors waiting to get paid from my profits?

    Why don't you point out you have to use a proprietary currency that YOU are speculating on?

    Why don't you point out that not one person who isn't an "investor" like you would say a positive word about the scammy system?

    Why don't you point out that we have had to put up with urgers and rampers trying to hype this up like we are bloody idiots who don't understand it's absolute rubbish too many times already?

    Need I go on...


    Take your stupid scheme and go play together with all the other dolts who either got sucked in, or who have sucked others in. You can all play together as you slowly swirl down the bowl with your great make millions for yuorselves idea.


    Welcome to come back if you ever come up with a true P2P betting platform instead of a ponzi scheme dressed up like a sportsbook though!

    Actually I did I said you use the WGR currency. AND I said that would be the hardest part for people to be comfortable with. I also sent documentation explaining how it all worked, maybe you actually read it?

    what you are saying about people not saying a good thing about it is not true. I have personally walked people who weren't invested in it through how the system works and they have come to the view that there is something here. I am not ignorant that there are things that need improvement but seriously you're acting like I've done something to hurt you ffs.

    anyway thanks for your time gents. happy to answer questions but it seems you guys know what's up. can't fool you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookie View Post
    It's not a "blockchain enabled sportsbook" as you yourself say it's a peer to peer betting platform (whoever figures out how to make that work in a DeFi way with an off-ramp will get rich) that uses a token that you want to sell users and that has no viable aftermarket.

    I'm someone who thinks technology can transform betting as we know it and that the marriage of the crypto-space and the offshore betting space has enormous potential. I track who's doing what, and I think about what could be done.
    But...I think you're barking up the wrong tree and don't understand your market. I do sincerely wish you luck, though. If WGR gets listed on Coinbase and in five years your blockchain is processing hundreds of millions or billions in bets per year then I'll admit you were the visionary and I was the luddite.
    Appreciate the response. Well you bet against the blockchain, and blockchains work in a p2p fashion, thats what I mean. It's not a betting exchange, which I think many people think.

    And yes time will decide, plenty of stuff still to be done in terms of features.

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    I saw this thread yesterday and thought there's no way SBR will let that thread stay up, but yet here it is. If it's customer vs customer then you can't offer a no-limit service. If it's customer vs book/blockchain then there would need to be hundreds of millions of dollars behind it because limits are the only thing stopping normal regulated books winning or losing unfathomable sums of money on a single event when 90% of the market picks the same side. Without limits a "Black Wednesday" type of event becomes inevitable.

    Who is putting up the guaranteed money and who is the regulating authority?

    Without both it's just a Ponzi scheme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by semibluff View Post
    I saw this thread yesterday and thought there's no way SBR will let that thread stay up, but yet here it is. If it's customer vs customer then you can't offer a no-limit service. If it's customer vs book/blockchain then there would need to be hundreds of millions of dollars behind it because limits are the only thing stopping normal regulated books winning or losing unfathomable sums of money on a single event when 90% of the market picks the same side. Without limits a "Black Wednesday" type of event becomes inevitable.

    Who is putting up the guaranteed money and who is the regulating authority?

    Without both it's just a Ponzi scheme.
    So to explain maybe a little more detail. when you bet you do so in 10,000 WGR increments (that will increase as it goes on). So it's not like you will be able to put on a million dollars at one price, the odds will adjust.

    Then this is where the WGR coin comes into it. when you place a bet, WGR is removed from the supply, when you win the blockchain mints new WGR to payout the bet. i.e. inflation occurs to cover the liability. So there is a risk of inflation occuring continually and the value of WGR devaluing which I think is what you are saying will happen. To date a small mint has occured largely due to earlier versions of the software having issues. YTD is flat.

    So the guaranteed money comes from the blockchain as the issuer of the money. Because the chain can payout whatever, do you need a regulated entity to oversee it? can you have faith in the blockchain operating as the code is written?

    This will also help: https://docs.wagerr.com/learning-wag...-chain-betting


    look, someone has to take the risk of being the counterparty to the bet. Yes, sportsbooks take that roll and they limit bets and accounts etc. to ensure they win. Wagerr is effectively proposing that you socialize the sportsbooks losses and share in the wins via the WGR coin, which either becomes more scarce or less scarce depending if people win or lose.. As I said for some people it won't be their thing but it's not a ponzi it's just a differing model.

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    I get tired of these threads pimping different P2P betting platforms with proprietary coins. There are like a dozen of them, aren't there? Maybe not anymore if a bunch have finally failed. Who knows.

    Yes, just like other shitcoin ventures, it's clear what is happening here. ICO investors who were hoping to get rich. But it's very difficult to convince people to buy into a platform which requires that they buy yet another currency which can't be used anywhere else. No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DontTailMe View Post
    I get tired of these threads pimping different P2P betting platforms with proprietary coins. There are like a dozen of them, aren't there? Maybe not anymore if a bunch have finally failed. Who knows.

    Yes, just like other shitcoin ventures, it's clear what is happening here. ICO investors who were hoping to get rich. But it's very difficult to convince people to buy into a platform which requires that they buy yet another currency which can't be used anywhere else. No thanks.
    There are plenty out there, not many do any volume and many have died.

    I think this is actually a fair assessment. It is hard to convince people to use another currency, part of Wagerr's job is to show the benefit's of using WGR, that is to drive scarcity into it so that the holders benefit.

    The alternative would be that sportsbooks actually use Wagerr and then users bet in USD or currency they are familiar with.. https://www.topmatch24.com/ is doing this.

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    "So the guaranteed money comes from the blockchain as the issuer of the money."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfie White View Post
    "So the guaranteed money comes from the blockchain as the issuer of the money."

    omegalul
    Without guaranteed money behind it and a guaranteed impartial regulator of the blockchain those in charge can value coin at $100 per coin, buy unlimited coin, wager unlimited coin at +10000, win unlimited coin, and thus devalue coin from $100 to $1.

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    scam central

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    I've noticed a big effort to promote Wagerr across the various Internet forums recently. What's going on? Investors trying to make a big final push?

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    I am actually a big fan of Wagerr as presented here. The reason is that I am extensively invested in crypto and tokens alongside my sports betting system.

    You can see the progress of the Wagerr token here: https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/wagerr and here https://www.coinbase.com/price/wagerr

    You'll note that the token peaked in around Jan 18 with a value of $0.93 and more recently in May 2021 with a value of $0.13.

    The current value is $0.034 and I think this is a good time to buy (I have just purchased $10,000 worth).

    The profile above is absolutely typical for new-ish tokens and ICOs. I have seen some of my tokens gain 10,000 % whilst others flatline.

    The key here is that there can be no doubt that this is the future of betting on the internet - just as crypto is the future of currency in our lifetimes. This token (unlike so many others) actually has a direct purpose - the internet site is there and ready to bet at. It is very clear a lot of time, effort and development has gone into this site.

    I have taken some time to analyse the internet site and the lines and odds are excellent - they look soft to me and easily beatable. So my strategy will be:

    1. Continue betting at traditional books as normal

    2. After placing a regular bet, go to Wagerr to seek out that soft line and odds - if Wagerr beats my current position then I am going to bet it at Wagerr

    3. Since my existing system is profitable - and since Wagerr appears to beat typical lines and odds - there is no doubt that my balance at Wagerr will increase - I am going to make money

    4. If the token increases in value I will show an even greater profit. If the token halves I will break even because (see 3 above) I will win at Wagerr

    For those here who are new to crypto and tokens - I can see this might be a bit bamboozling. Before I understood crypto, tokens, wallets, blockchain, ICO etc I was also bamboozled. It takes a while to learn - like you need to put in maybe a month to be confident you get it.

    If you have a moderate appetite for risk I would recommend buying this token now as it appears to have hit rock bottom and can only go up.

    If you like I will make weekly reports here of my success at Wagerr - both in terms of beating the soft lines and also as the value of the WGR Token increases.

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    So you're telling me that there are random sports bettors who have taken the time to acquire WGR tokens, and then go to the platform and put up soft lines?

    For me, that just doesn't pass the smell test given how rarely a soft line will appear on Matchbook or Bet Fair, platforms that have tens of thousands of what are much more likely to be fishy users.

    Please no soft line reports as those are just as subject to manipulation as the price of the token itself.

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    The reality is that this must be the future of sports betting.

    There is no 5% like at Betfair and no corporate governance.

    It is so obvious to me that this is the way forward.

    Every so often life presents a fork in the road and the result of taking or not taking a particular path is significant.

    Perhaps you heard of BTC in 2015 and did not risk a few $100 - that would now be worth millions.

    In 2 years you may recall these posts and this chat here at SBR - and - if you do recall it - you will realise that a fork in the road presented itself. I wonder what path you will take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by semibluff View Post
    Without guaranteed money behind it and a guaranteed impartial regulator of the blockchain those in charge can value coin at $100 per coin, buy unlimited coin, wager unlimited coin at +10000, win unlimited coin, and thus devalue coin from $100 to $1.
    The value of the token - like all tokens - is dictated by the market and nothing else.

    As uptake of the system increases the value of the token will increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bookie View Post
    So you're telling me that there are random sports bettors who have taken the time to acquire WGR tokens, and then go to the platform and put up soft lines?

    For me, that just doesn't pass the smell test given how rarely a soft line will appear on Matchbook or Bet Fair, platforms that have tens of thousands of what are much more likely to be fishy users.

    Please no soft line reports as those are just as subject to manipulation as the price of the token itself.
    I think the confusion here is that you think wagerr is a betting exchange. It is not.

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    Omg this is back from the dead. Am of the dolts OPTI is referring to.

    My worst decision in crypto - investing at least a BTC (maybe more, dont want to check) back during the ICO.
    My best decision - Finally realizing the loss and selling WGR for ETH before it took off.

    To the OP...has the Wagerr team revealed recently how much money they have left to keep development going? Before, I stopped paying attention to the project that info slowly became harder and harder to find.

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