[vivi]

Hello. I'm a player from Russia. Sorry for my English. And sorry for the very long message.
I have a very sad experience playing in sportsbooks and casinos using the services of this online platform.

Tain group – this is «Online Gaming Platforms». Supplier of sports odds and casino games. Their website is www.tain.com
Previously, they were service providers for betngo. Now they provide their services to the sites of mrringo, staybet, rembrandtcasino, casinosieger and naijagaming (this is not the whole list).
And I'll try to briefly describe the experience of playing in these bookmakers. They are very similar. For example, the fact that they are all scam.

1. mrringo.com
This sportsbook closed in July-August this year. With my balance 14,000 euros. Now I will never see them again. The site was licensed by Curacao (for sports, License No. 1668/JAZ) and MGA (for casinos). I bet and played roulette. Curacao did not answer my complaints, the MGA could not help. It is reported that there is still an "investigation" going on.
But I do not know what they're investigating. The site closed with the balance of all players. The former owner, German citizen Elias Yildirim, opened a new sportsbook for the Turkish market (tamambet.com). Now they work without a license. This is also a scam.

2. staybet.com
Another scam. There I registered in early August. From August 4 to August 6, I made 10 deposits for a total of $ 1,900. Then, in mid-August, when an attempt was made to withdraw funds, the verification process began. I was able to verify my account only in November this year. To do this, for example, I had to get a international passport, because they did not want to see any other document. On my account was 4500 euros. I ordered the withdrawal of funds and received a letter from an employee of Niklas Eriksson: (It was he who for four months had requested new and new documents. I think this is their only employee)

"Your account was recently used in a country where the jurisdiction for gambling is prohibited. Winnings resulting from an active account to play in a legally strict geo-location or country, can lead to security taking actions from Staybet. In accordance with our terms and conditions I hereby notify you that the money herewith has been deducted from your account in regard of our breach of regulations terms.

9. It is possible that all or some residents of certain countries are prohibited to access the website. Stay Gaming Group N.V. does not intend that people living in countries where such activities are illegal, such as the United States, to use the website for betting or other purposes. The website should not be regarded as an offer, advertisement or invitation from Stay Gaming Group N.V. to use or source bets or other services in those jurisdictions where such activities are illegal.
10. The customer is responsible to inform himself/herself about the applicable laws in his place of residence.
11. The customer must ensure that when using the website he/she acts as an individual customer and/or when betting on the website acts within the laws of his own jurisdiction. Stay Gaming Group N.V. cannot be held responsible for any violation of local laws on the part of the customer.
12. The Stay Gaming Group N.V. reserves the right to:
a) reject applications for accounts without providing a reason
b) reject individual bets without providing a reason
c) limit the stake on individual bets
d) limit the stake of individual customers

We have hereby confiscated your winnings and re-added your original deposit amount of €300."

They forgot that $ 300 is my last deposit. And the total is $ 1900. And rates in Russia, of course, are legitimate activities.
This online-sportsbook is another scam. And they also have a license from Curacao.

3-4. rembrandtcasino.com = casinosieger.com (Condor Malta Limited)
It's the same company. They have the same e-mail for skrill. I know that sometimes they make mistakes and write rembrandtcasino players from the e-mail casinosieger and vice versa. They also have a license of Curaçao for sports and a license for MGA at the casino. The MGA license is the same for both sites.

• 1 on 4 Condor Malta Limited C70089 MGA/CL1/1244/2016 Tain Betting Promotion Limited

They also have clone sites. For example, the casino big5casino.com, 24bettle, b-bets.com (also Tain group). This again, I think, is not a complete list.

They do not pay 4000+ euros since August this year. All this time I verified the account.
They needed a lot of documents, including notarized copies of a passport, international passport, a notarized bank statement in Russian and English, utility bills and even a credit card photo (although I used skrill for deposits). Total - 31 photos of my documents. As a result, I received a letter stating that I successfully passed the verification. But they simply canceled the withdrawal of funds.
Another of these sportsbook – naijagaming.com. I will round off.

I noticed one funny thing. If I bet on one of these sites for any sporting event, within 30 seconds they close the line of this match. All Tain-sportsbooks in this list close the line and the match becomes inaccessible in both staybet and naijagaming, even if I bet in rembrandtcasino at $ 10. Then they change or do not change odds and after half an hour-hour again open the line. It happens absolutely always. And it's obviously done by people from Tain. Therefore, I believe that Tain are relevant to all these bookmakers. I could not find any good sportsbook among Tain clients. I could not get a money out of the sites, working with this platform. I did not get a money even from my own funds, which I used for deposits. Thus, all sites that represent the Tain platform for betting are a full-scale scam.

When I made deposits in these sites, they had average and good ratings, usual reviews (for example, mrringo on SBR had a rating of C). But then the situation worsened. These bookmakers have stolen from me about $ 26,000.
But I learned a lot.
Stay away from these bookmakers and casinos. This is scam.

[Tom R.]

Confirm about rembrandtcasino.com, casinosieger.com, 24bettle, b-bets.com.

I registered in March, when they accepted players from my country (Belarus), my account was succesfully verified.
In May-June they sent to me little more than my deposit sum and then stop payouts.
All summer they waste my time: three-four times told to me what they sent money, but I don't received anything.
In Aug they blocked my account, ask me send notarized documents (my account was already verify). I spend my time and money, but I made this documents and sent to them. They checked my documents almost month, approved, but again don't sent money.

In October they changed Rules T&Cs and don't more accept players from my country, also confiscated all my remaining balance 4873,11 euro.

Due to the licencing regulations posed to us by the authority and laws, we are no longer to accept player's account residing in your country. Please note that your player's account is closed within our brand. Should in the meantime be any pending payouts from your end, do note that, in accordance to our general T&Cs we will be refunding you in the amount of the deposit made within your account. Any eventual remaining from the winnings will be waived.

I sent complains to MGA, Curacao, SBR, but but no one could help me...

[lonnie55]

I was lucky at 24bettle. Though I was going through a payout marathon from the end of February until December 5, I received all my funds in the end. Average payout period per withdrawal was around 20 days. Sometimes a withdrawal "bounced back" according to their CS which is bullshit because I was always using the same active bank account and the bank institute they have used for withdrawals was a bank from Germany. So transfers were from a German bank to a German bank. I never experienced those problems like 24bettle tried to make me believe at any other place.

Glad that this nightmare is over. I'm feeling sorry for all the other people who got scammed.