Canada wins game but I lose? WTF

Powderguy · 02-28-10, 06:59 PM

If you only bet regulation, CAN -1 is a loss. If you bet outright, it would have been a push.

Bullajami · 02-28-10, 07:06 PM

How common is it that books take action on regulation only in Hockey? I placed a small recreational bet on Canada to win at Intertops, and it was graded as a loss. I griped and got shown the rule that clearly states that hockey action is on regulation play only.

It never occurred to me that overtime would not be included. Is this common for hockey betting? Seems cheesy to me.

LT Profits · 02-28-10, 07:10 PM

Common for International hockey, NHL is an exception.

cinpls081 · 02-28-10, 07:10 PM

I understand that its a loss but they only had one set of lines. Similar to bet pheonix and sportsbook.com ALL similar lines. 5dimes specificly had to win in regulation. I don't bet pucks really at all..wouldn't even think a game like that would be 60 mins only. That would be like me opening a book tomorrow taking hoops bets and then when you see your team wins by 6 in OT and you had them on the ML and I say look at my rules its for regulation only. Nobody would think to look until they lose. It CLEARLY in there rules but its stupid.

bluefish · 02-28-10, 07:12 PM

Maybe there was a 3 way line and that is what he bet? If not the odds you got were better than taking the bet at the us books you mention.

Extra Innings · 02-28-10, 07:15 PM

Interesting....BM was (+190 /-1 -105) w/ overtime for the USA. What was the line you wagered?

bleedblue · 02-28-10, 07:39 PM

The rule is fairly common, and matchbook had the rule clearly stated. I'm sure there will be many similar complaints from people who dont usually bet hockey, but tough luck (well...except for the people that had US regulation only)...

tatommack · 02-28-10, 07:51 PM

That sucks

Jaug · 02-28-10, 07:55 PM

Nothing to discuss here. Matchbook clearly states reg time only, so the ML is a push.

A -1 in hockey is never (i've never seen one) OT included.

gfree · 02-28-10, 08:17 PM

I have the opposite complaint. I had USA +1 at BetOnline and Sportsbook.com and they were graded as pushes. I thought the standard was international play didn't include OT, and these books didn't state that OT was included. I would have never bet a the +1 spread if I thought it included OT.

relaaxx · 02-28-10, 08:42 PM

since someone was going to win - nhl rules work best here. i noticed the regulation scoring only after i bet. had to bet the other side somewhere else also using regulation time. then go back and rebet where nhl rules were used.

sharpcat · 02-28-10, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by gfree

I have the opposite complaint. I had USA +1 at BetOnline and Sportsbook.com and they were graded as pushes. I thought the standard was international play didn't include OT, and these books didn't state that OT was included. I would have never bet a the +1 spread if I thought it included OT.

OT or not US +1 was a push

sharpcat · 02-28-10, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by cinpls081

Wow Matchbook had that game as 3 periods only WTF is that. I had canada -1 goal and it was graded as a loss? I also had USA on the ML and that was graded no action. I don't understand why this would be a rule. It stupid and 99% of all books graded USA ML a loss today and no actioned the puck line. F u matchbook terrible rule and cost me dollars today.

if your bet offered the draw +350 than you bet the 3 way hockey lines which do not include OT.

jetsjets1028 · 02-28-10, 08:48 PM

cuz cant beleive usa didnt win damn it

bleedblue · 02-28-10, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by sharpcat

OT or not US +1 was a push

umm...what?

regulation only: US + 1 is a win

OT included: US + 1 is a push

andywend · 02-28-10, 10:16 PM

Great middle opportunity on the game which wound up hitting.

Betting U.S. +1 goal in regulation time at Matchbook laying -110.
Betting Canada -1 goal including OT at Bookmaker laying -110.

You needed the game to be tied at the end of regulation with Canada winning in OT and got 10-1 on it.

Since the odds of an overtime are normally around 3-1 and Canada was around -150 at the start of the OT, the true odds of this happening were about a 15% chance or +566.

In effect, you would have gotten 10-1 on a +566 chance.

You have to read the rules when placing wagers and Matchbook's rules were clearly stated that all wagers were for regulation time only. You could have bet on the Gold Medal winner if you wanted your wager to include OT.

No excuse for not knowing the rules.

skrtelfan · 02-28-10, 10:53 PM

It's one thing if the rule was hidden, but on Matchbook it said right at the top of the hockey page 'regulation only'

Igetp2s · 02-28-10, 10:56 PM

I don't understand how there can't be an industry standard on this. This situation is beyond absurd. I don't see how the Olympic rules are any different than NHL rules. OT should be included, and if still tied after OT, a shootout with 1 goal given to the shootout winner.

How is that any different than NHL?

For soccer the industry standard is 90 minutes only. That's probably because there are 3 way lines and usually there isn't OT. That's not the case in hockey. Just an idiotic rule by Matchbook.

On the other hand, why have a line of +/-1 if OT is included? Who ever heard of that stupidity? Why wouldn't there be a regular ML and a +1.5/-1.5 puckline like every other freaking hockey game.

bleedblue · 02-28-10, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by andywend

Great middle opportunity on the game which wound up hitting.

Betting U.S. +1 goal in regulation time at Matchbook laying -110.
Betting Canada -1 goal including OT at Bookmaker laying -110.

You needed the game to be tied at the end of regulation with Canada winning in OT and got 10-1 on it.

Since the odds of an overtime are normally around 3-1 and Canada was around -150 at the start of the OT, the true odds of this happening were about a 15% chance or +566.

In effect, you would have gotten 10-1 on a +566 chance.

I think OT was closer to 4:1, but still nice find.

blix177 · 02-28-10, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by Igetp2s

I don't understand how there can't be an industry standard on this. This situation is beyond absurd. I don't see how the Olympic rules are any different than NHL rules. OT should be included, and if still tied after OT, a shootout with 1 goal given to the shootout winner.

How is that any different than NHL?

For soccer the industry standard is 90 minutes only. That's probably because there are 3 way lines and usually there isn't OT. That's not the case in hockey. Just an idiotic rule by Matchbook.

On the other hand, why have a line of +/-1 if OT is included? Who ever heard of that stupidity? Why wouldn't there be a regular ML and a +1.5/-1.5 puckline like every other freaking hockey game.

Your saying it is an idiot rule, just because you didn't know the rules. Anyone that ever bet international hockey knows that it is regulation time only, unless otherwise stated.

Wouldn't it me more idiotic if they changed it to include OT? What about the 1000's of people that normally bet international hockey that knew it was suppose to be regulation only, only to have this 1 random game changed to have it include OT.

And matchbook didn't hide the "regulation time" rule in term and condition. It was clearly stated on the page you bet on, right on top of your odds. Maybe they should have done this

Regulation Time Only

Igetp2s · 02-28-10, 11:19 PM

Was the total on this game 5? If yes, the same crap happened on the total as well.

Igetp2s · 02-28-10, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by blix177

Your saying it is an idiot rule, just because you didn't know the rules. Anyone that ever bet international hockey knows that it is regulation time only, unless otherwise stated. Wouldn't it me more idiotic if they changed it to include OT? What about the 1000's of people that normally bet international hockey that knew it was suppose to be regulation only, only to have this 1 random game changed to have it include OT. And matchbook didn't hide the "regulation time" rule in term and condition. It was clearly stated on the page you bet on, right on top of your odds. Maybe they should have done this

Regulation Time Only

How are international games decided if there are draws after regulation? Is there OT? Is there a shootout with 1 team being awarded a goal after OT? If that is the case, then yes, I am saying that that rule is idiotic. Or is there normally 3 way betting with a draw option?

You're logic seems to be that because they clearly stated the rule, it makes the rule even remotely commonsensical.

Hareeba! · 03-01-10, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Igetp2s

How are international games decided if there are draws after regulation? Is there OT? Is there a shootout with 1 team being awarded a goal after OT? If that is the case, then yes, I am saying that that rule is idiotic. Or is there normally 3 way betting with a draw option?

You're logic seems to be that because they clearly stated the rule, it makes the rule even remotely commonsensical.

Unlike in US sports the rest of the world doesn't insist on a winner in every game and draws are accepted in regular league competition. Only in championship contests do they play extra time and have penalty shoot outs.

mtneer1212 · 03-01-10, 01:22 AM

Know the terms before you play........

RickySteve · 03-01-10, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

Unlike in US sports the rest of the world doesn't insist on a winner in every game and draws are accepted in regular league competition. Only in championship contests do they play extra time and have penalty shoot outs.

Please tell me which leagues you're referring to exactly. KHL, DEL, Extraliga & SM-Liiga all go to shootout in regular season. Elitserien plays OT. Let me guess, Singapore Superligaen plays to 60 minute draws? What a stupid unenlightened American I am for not appreciating that.

Might I suggest you return to Sportpunter where your ignorant arrogance is celebrated?

TigerPawsSC · 03-01-10, 01:52 AM

Seems that the OP has no beef here.

Hareeba! · 03-01-10, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by RickySteve

Please tell me which leagues you're referring to exactly. KHL, DEL, Extraliga & SM-Liiga all go to shootout in regular season. Elitserien plays OT. Let me guess, Singapore Superligaen plays to 60 minute draws? What a stupid unenlightened American I am for not appreciating that.

Might I suggest you return to Sportpunter where your ignorant arrogance is celebrated?

neither the question nor response were specifically referring to ice hockey

Chuck Sims · 03-01-10, 02:22 AM

The rule was staring you in the face when you made the bet. Standard rule too.

International betting rules are different than American rules. Deal with it.

RickySteve · 03-01-10, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

neither the question nor response were specifically referring to ice hockey

Sorry, no, both the OP and the person he was responding to specifically referred to ice hockey. Would you like me to explain each post in the thread to you?

HeeeHAWWWW · 03-01-10, 06:42 AM

Same rules as all books for international ice hockey.

siabdo23 · 03-01-10, 07:41 AM

too confusing all these rules

Jaug · 03-01-10, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by andywend

Great middle opportunity on the game which wound up hitting.

Betting U.S. +1 goal in regulation time at Matchbook laying -110.
Betting Canada -1 goal including OT at Bookmaker laying -110.

You needed the game to be tied at the end of regulation with Canada winning in OT and got 10-1 on it.

Since the odds of an overtime are normally around 3-1 and Canada was around -150 at the start of the OT, the true odds of this happening were about a 15% chance or +566.

In effect, you would have gotten 10-1 on a +566 chance.

You have to read the rules when placing wagers and Matchbook's rules were clearly stated that all wagers were for regulation time only. You could have bet on the Gold Medal winner if you wanted your wager to include OT.

No excuse for not knowing the rules.

Nice one

LT Profits · 03-01-10, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by Igetp2s

I don't understand how there can't be an industry standard on this. This situation is beyond absurd. I don't see how the Olympic rules are any different than NHL rules. OT should be included, and if still tied after OT, a shootout with 1 goal given to the shootout winner.

How is that any different than NHL?

For soccer the industry standard is 90 minutes only. That's probably because there are 3 way lines and usually there isn't OT. That's not the case in hockey. Just an idiotic rule by Matchbook.

On the other hand, why have a line of +/-1 if OT is included? Who ever heard of that stupidity? Why wouldn't there be a regular ML and a +1.5/-1.5 puckline like every other freaking hockey game.

Foreigners that are used to regulation only can make the same complaint for the opposite side it OT is included.

Seems books used different rules on this and it is the bettor's responsibility to know the rules before betting. Can't make any assumptions if there is nothing posted ("Regulation only" or "OT included"), you should contact the book first and ask.

LT Profits · 03-01-10, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by Igetp2s

Was the total on this game 5? If yes, the same crap happened on the total as well.

No, it was 5.5 so OT has no effect.