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  • RemRoos
    SBR Hustler
    • 10-07-15
    • 99

    #1
    Bookmaker.eu accepting wagers at wrong line
    Hello,

    Over the past 10 days I've tried it via the normal route but CS just don't seem to get my point or in other instances are simply ignoring my emails.

    The following is the case: On March 31st Brooklyn Nets played against the Milwaukee Bucks and during the first time out (score was 10-4 Brooklyn) I was betting live on this game.
    I saw odds of 1.76 (I use decimal odds in my account) for Brooklyn and I liked it and placed 4 wagers on Brooklyn @ 1,76 odds: $1809 to win $1375, $1882 to win $1430, $2529 to win $1922 an $2543 to win $1933. But later on I saw the bets were actually all accepted as being with 1.55 odds. Therefore the risk amounts were actually $2500 to win $1375, $2600 to win $1430, $3494 to win $1922 and $3514 to win $1933. Had I won the bets, it would not have mattered afterall as the to win amounts ofcourse stayed the same. But I lost the bets and now too much risk amounts were taken from my account in comparison to the odds I got confirmation I placed the bets on. I asked Bookmaker to compensate me for the differences in taken risk amounts and what they should have been at 1.76 odds but they refuse to do this.

    Ofourse people will say: you should have refreshed the odds before you took the first bet! But that is a little too easy for me, since the odds always used to update automatically for me (been a customer for 5 months now and never had a problem with updating live odds). And besides, if odds were outdated I should have either seen it in the bet slip or at the very least the bet should have been rejected cause of odds change (I have the setting of "only accept better odds" in my account enabled since the day I opened the account). But none of this: the odds clearly showed up as 1.76 in my bet slip and after the acceptance I saw the risk amount and odds of 1.76 in green color as confirmance. So nothing here could have led me to believe the odds were actually 1.55. It was only after I logged back in later that I saw all 4 bets were actually placed at 1.55 odds, after I saw that my balance was suddenly much lower than I anticipated.

    I emailed Bookmaker about this. They asked if I had screenshots of this, but I said ofcourse not since I had no reason at all to assume something would be wrong. Never had any problem with different odds in my 5 months at Bookmaker and if I had a screenshot of this it would mean I would have made a screenshot of every single bet I ever placed...and that is ofcourse a rediculous thing to do if you expect nothing strange to happen.

    But....the next day I thought let's see if it happens again with the live odds today. And to my surprise the first bet I took it happened again! This time it was a bet on Washington at odds of 1.48. In the betslip the odds still showed up as 1.48 and I placed the bet. After 3-5 seconds waiting it gets accepted and as you can see in green color, it's accepted as $625 risking to win $300, which indeed means odds of 1.48. But then on screenshot 2 you can see the bet actually got accepted at 1.38 odds with $789 risking to win $300. So because I was now aware of this issue and that it could happen again, this time I was alert enough to make the screenshot. So I have caught a bug in their system here which probably only lasted 2 days (cause in the days after it it didn't happen anymore).
    I sent the screenshot as additional proof, and Bookmaker compensated me with $164 for the diference in the taken risk amount and initial risk amount. Nice gesture, but I didn't ask for this and explained to them that in this case it didn't really matter cause this bet won and the win amount still was $300 which it would always have been no matter the odds, so the credit didn't have to be made!
    So all in all, it looks like they know I am right about this and try to get out of it cheaply by only giving me back $164.
    But I want the differences of $691, $718, $965 and $971 for the Brooklyn bets back, and then instead they can take back this $164 if they want.

    I am getting nowhere with their normal CS as initially they said they were investigating the issue but then after not hearing any updates for 4 days I decided to ask for an update and they go back to only giving general copy/paste statements which have nothing to do with my issue. This is their most recent answer, even in poor English:
    "Thank you for contacting us!
    Let me help you right away. First of all I do apologize for the inconvenience. Live betting odds, juice and lines are vulnerable, they are always subject to change even in split seconds before you confirm the bet. in this case once you get the confirmation of the bet you took please check first the odds you get or your pending bet before placing another bet. Moreover, you can also take screen shoot about the bet you are taking, once it was confirm and pending in your bet slip. I am sorry but once the bet has been final and graded there is nothing much we can do, it will be remain official and final as they were."

    Is there anybody on here who is in contact with a manager who can help me get justice?

    Thanks!





    Edit: btw, other than this issue I am really satisfied about Bookmaker.eu. Never had any complaints, everything is working well all the time and odds updating perfectly....apart from those 2 days...
    Last edited by RemRoos; 04-11-22, 10:02 PM.
  • caramba
    SBR Sharp
    • 05-03-12
    • 371

    #2
    Their CS is clueless as always I see.
    BM's automatic odds updating have been in shambles for months.
    On March 17th this new bug started happening where they accept bets at lower odds.
    I reported it the day it happened, sent in videos showing this but of course nothing has happened despite sending reminders asking for updates.
    I take it you have "Accept line changes only in my favor" checked? This function has been hit and miss since March 17th. Sometimes it works as it should, sometimes it accepts odds at lower odds.
    If you want to be sure to not have bets accepted at lower odds, change to "Due not accept any line changes". It's not ideal, but at least that function does what it says.
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    • caramba
      SBR Sharp
      • 05-03-12
      • 371

      #3
      I re-read your post as my earlier post was more general advice on this bug and didn't answer your specific post Everything I wrote earlier applies, but to clarify this bug has still not been sorted and it didn't last for two days only. (It will just have been a case of you not having noticed it before or after since it comes and goes).
      If they did compensate you for the Wizards bets, there should be some chance you will be compensated for the Nets bets as well since this a bug they have been aware of since March 17th and not warned customers or disabled the non-working "Accept line changes only in my favor", but unfortunately with SBR not working with Bookmaker.eu anymore, it could be hard to get them to do the right thing here.
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      • Optional
        Administrator
        • 06-10-10
        • 60708

        #4
        If you would like to PM me your account number and bet IDs for the Brooklyn bets I can ask a manger to have another look at this for you.
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        • RemRoos
          SBR Hustler
          • 10-07-15
          • 99

          #5
          Originally posted by Optional
          If you would like to PM me your account number and bet IDs for the Brooklyn bets I can ask a manger to have another look at this for you.
          Thanks for your efforts, I have now sent you these infos in a PM!
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          • Pedro
            SBR Sharp
            • 08-23-05
            • 305

            #6
            Just wanted to say that I have experienced the same issue with accepting bets that should not have been accepted.

            They ended up winning so it's no big deal for me but it is a problem and I did report it to them.

            Also, I think some of their (live) odds are not updating properly and are displaying incorrect odds. Not sure if they are fixing this or not but it is definitely irritating and would be nice if they would fix it.
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            • caramba
              SBR Sharp
              • 05-03-12
              • 371

              #7
              You are correct about their live odds not updating properly. It's a seperate issue from the other issue mentioned in this thread. This is something that has been going on for months and that has been reported to them, but they have not fixed it.
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              • caramba
                SBR Sharp
                • 05-03-12
                • 371

                #8
                Originally posted by Optional
                If you would like to PM me your account number and bet IDs for the Brooklyn bets I can ask a manger to have another look at this for you.
                Could you also ask for updates on this bug? It's been going on since March 17th now. I don't see how this can be so hard to fix. Everytime I ask them if this has been sorted or not, I am being met with silence or replies saying nothing and the only way for me to find out is to bet and see what happens. Then this feature "accept bets only in your favor" works sometimes so you think it's been sorted, but then I eventually get some bets accepted at worse odds again, costing me money. I can't ask for compensation for everytime this happens, but it would be nice to hear from them if this is going to be sorted any time soon and then get confirmation once it has been so I don't have to keep being a guinea pig to find out.
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                • Optional
                  Administrator
                  • 06-10-10
                  • 60708

                  #9
                  Originally posted by caramba

                  Could you also ask for updates on this bug? It's been going on since March 17th now. I don't see how this can be so hard to fix. Everytime I ask them if this has been sorted or not, I am being met with silence or replies saying nothing and the only way for me to find out is to bet and see what happens. Then this feature "accept bets only in your favor" works sometimes so you think it's been sorted, but then I eventually get some bets accepted at worse odds again, costing me money. I can't ask for compensation for everytime this happens, but it would be nice to hear from them if this is going to be sorted any time soon and then get confirmation once it has been so I don't have to keep being a guinea pig to find out.
                  I have asked again, but do not expect any different answer than you got. They obviously cannot "easily" fix it as it's been a problem for so long.

                  If you want to bet live there then you need to check every bet after it's struck to make sure its gone in as you wanted. Or do not bet live there. No use demanding something that isn't going to change changes and keep using them like you expect it to be different.
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                  • DISTROYA
                    SBR MVP
                    • 04-26-12
                    • 2911

                    #10
                    They just don't give a shit and don't care about the customer as long as it is advantageous for them them the live lines are very dangerous here. Had same problems and issues just gave up.
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                    • caramba
                      SBR Sharp
                      • 05-03-12
                      • 371

                      #11
                      Ok. Thanks for asking again. For now I am using "do not accept any line changes" which at least does what it says. But it's not ideal because if odds change in my favor my bet gets refused and I miss out on opportunities.
                      So I would like this fixed. I'm not demanding anything and am being careful with this for as long as I've been aware of it, but a company as big as they are should if they are not able to sort this at least disable the "accept line changes in my favor only" feature until this has been sorted so that others aren't caught out by this. Even if I check the bet after the bet has been placed there's nothing that can be done if they accept at worse odds, other than taking a loss by betting the other side to compensate for the worse price they gave me. It's not like if I go to live chat right after and ask for my bet to be voided because it was accepted at worse odds, that they will have the authority to grant my request.
                      Last edited by caramba; 04-20-22, 11:08 AM.
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                      • Optional
                        Administrator
                        • 06-10-10
                        • 60708

                        #12
                        I completely understand how you feel Caramba. Whilst I do not think Bookmaker want it to be this way, or are only ignoring it as it advantages them, I do think it's been too long and they need to be more accommodating to customers like the OP even if that opens them up to angle shooters trying to take advantage.
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                        • caramba
                          SBR Sharp
                          • 05-03-12
                          • 371

                          #13
                          Yeah, I also don't think they are doing this on purpose or ignoring it due to it being advantageous to them. If the latter, that could be offset by customers leaving them/placing less bets over something like this. I simply think it's a matter of incompetent tech staff/the company not investing properly in IT/staff which has been the case with them for as long as I can remember.
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                          • DontTailMe
                            SBR MVP
                            • 03-24-19
                            • 2897

                            #14
                            Originally posted by caramba
                            Yeah, I also don't think they are doing this on purpose or ignoring it due to it being advantageous to them. If the latter, that could be offset by customers leaving them/placing less bets over something like this. I simply think it's a matter of incompetent tech staff/the company not investing properly in IT/staff which has been the case with them for as long as I can remember.
                            Maybe you're right, but I don't see why it should be so difficult to get an "Accept line changes only in my favor" checkbox to work as it says it's supposed to. It should be very simple to have a computer check if A is greater than or equal to B, right? The most charitable explanation is that it's far down in their priority list of things to do.
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                            • caramba
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 05-03-12
                              • 371

                              #15
                              I don't see how this is so difficult to sort either. But I also know there have been similar seemingly easy to fix bugs in the past and it took them nearly a year to fix them. Could very well be that it's low on the priority list even though I have been told this is a priority.
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                              • RemRoos
                                SBR Hustler
                                • 10-07-15
                                • 99

                                #16
                                Glad to see some activity in this topic....Optional did you speak to a manager about my case? Is he willing to give me a refund of the too much paid risk amounts?
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                                • RemRoos
                                  SBR Hustler
                                  • 10-07-15
                                  • 99

                                  #17
                                  And it just happened again to me....odds of 1.39 disaplayed and accepted in green color confirmation, and then later showing up as 1.32 odds and therefore a much higher risk amount than planned.....Bookmaker fix this bug FFS!!!!
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                                  • RemRoos
                                    SBR Hustler
                                    • 10-07-15
                                    • 99

                                    #18
                                    Thank you for contacting us!Unfortunately there is very little we can do when we are contacted after the game is finished and graded. The next time something like this occurs, please take screen shots and contact us immediately so we can try to help you out with this. You can send them to this email address so we can escalate the issue if necessary.
                                    If we can be of any further assistance, please do no hesitate to contact us via chat or by replying to this email. We'll do our best to resolve your inquiry as quickly and accurately as possible.
                                    Regards,

                                    Support Team
                                    Wow, so they now expect every customer to make a screenshot of every wager they place, even when you cannot suspect something is wrong. If you don't do that you have no ground to complain.
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                                    • newton0038
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 03-07-07
                                      • 2369

                                      #19
                                      It's obviously intentional. Place a bet on dog odds, bet the +money goes down.
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                                      • RemRoos
                                        SBR Hustler
                                        • 10-07-15
                                        • 99

                                        #20
                                        Thank you for contacting us!Our apologies, it won't be possible to proceed with this claim unless proofs are provided. Thanks for understanding.
                                        We evalue the feedback you recently provided regarding your experience with our company. We are committed to providing the best possible customer experience, and thus have directed your comments to those individuals responsible for ensuring that we make the necessary improvements to avoid such occurrences in the future.
                                        We offer an apology for any inconvenience we may have caused you, and appreciate you taking the time to send this helpful response.
                                        If we can be of any further assistance, please do no hesitate to contact us via chat or by replying to this email. We'll do our best to resolve your inquiry as quickly and accurately as possible.
                                        Regards,

                                        Support Team
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                                        • newton0038
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 03-07-07
                                          • 2369

                                          #21
                                          Sounds like they dropped any concern on the topic and my take on the above statement is non-refundable
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                                          • caramba
                                            SBR Sharp
                                            • 05-03-12
                                            • 371

                                            #22
                                            Thanks for confirming this bug has not been sorted.
                                            With that in mind, I did record all my screen activity today so I had video in case this bug happened for me.
                                            It did (-312 bet accepted at -440). I immediately contacted live chat and said I wanted my bet voided, and I mentioned I had video. And three minutes later, the agent had talked to traders and they agreed to void my bet and said there was no need for video.
                                            This time it was a very small bet, so probably a really easy decision for them. No guarantees they will do the same if it's a bigger bet or odds have moved a lot.
                                            I actually asked if I would get my bets deleted every time my bets get accepted at shorter odds because of this bug, but agent couldn't say. But just said it always helps if I have video.
                                            It's a nuissance to record screens, report it to them etc, but maybe doing so will move sorting this bug up in their priority order.
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                                            • RemRoos
                                              SBR Hustler
                                              • 10-07-15
                                              • 99

                                              #23
                                              Yeah, good idea. Will make a video with my phone from now on of every wager I place.
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                                              • caramba
                                                SBR Sharp
                                                • 05-03-12
                                                • 371

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by RemRoos
                                                Thank you for contacting us!Unfortunately there is very little we can do when we are contacted after the game is finished and graded. The next time something like this occurs, please take screen shots and contact us immediately so we can try to help you out with this. You can send them to this email address so we can escalate the issue if necessary.
                                                If we can be of any further assistance, please do no hesitate to contact us via chat or by replying to this email. We'll do our best to resolve your inquiry as quickly and accurately as possible.
                                                Regards,

                                                Support Team
                                                Wow, so they now expect every customer to make a screenshot of every wager they place, even when you cannot suspect something is wrong. If you don't do that you have no ground to complain.
                                                I've had some more experience on this in the past days.

                                                Short version: Despite what they have told both me and other customers about needing proof, there is no constintency whatsoever in how they deal with this.

                                                I had two cases in where I did exactly the same thing, contacted them immediately via chat telling them I had had a bet accepted at lower odds due to a glitch in their system and that I had video of this, and that I wanted the bet voided.

                                                In one of the cases, they voided the bet immediately. In the other they asked me to send video so that the case could be reviewed and I did so as soon as I had finished the chat with their agent. In the end, hours after the match had finished (match finished 2 hrs after I contacted them via chat btw), they just thanked me in an email for the videos and assured me this bug would be fixed as soon as possible but didn't void the bet. When I asked why they didn't void the bet, they didn't reply.

                                                So just a heads-up, despite what they say about proof to us, there is no guarantee you will get your bet voided, get compensated or find out the status of your bet in reasonable time. Only way to not have to deal with all this is to have "Do not accept any line changes" checked.
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                                                • Brooklyn Dick
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 09-12-08
                                                  • 1067

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by newton0038
                                                  It's obviously intentional. Place a bet on dog odds, bet the +money goes down.
                                                  Amazing that the line always moves ONE WAY, and never yours.
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                                                  • caramba
                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                    • 05-03-12
                                                    • 371

                                                    #26
                                                    It sometimes does, I've had better lines accepted on rare occasion. The bug is that the feature instead of doing what it's supposed to do: "accept line changes only in my favor", it will sometimes do what it's suppose to do, but due to a glitch in their system it will sometimes accept all line changes even if you have "accept line changes only in my favor" checked. This is of course still inexcusable.
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                                                    • big joe 1212
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 06-01-08
                                                      • 19379

                                                      #27
                                                      I reported this over two years ago. How many updates have they done since then and it's still not fixed?

                                                      Don't hold your breath.

                                                      Every time they do an update they make things worse instead of better.

                                                      Still my #2 offshore shop.
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                                                      • caramba
                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                        • 05-03-12
                                                        • 371

                                                        #28
                                                        It's hard to keep track because of all their bugs and tech issues on their sites, but I use this feature daily and it was working fine before March 17 this year. Iirc correctly they didn't even have this function two years ago, because that would have been back when live betting was its own site.
                                                        Are you sure you are talking about this one and not the other one where the odds change milli seconds before you place bets and then you get worse odds because you didn't notice the odds change in those milli seconds? Because that one will have been around for years.
                                                        But overall yes, they do so many updates and nothing ever seems to get sorted. Or it does months, even years after they were first reported.
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                                                        • caramba
                                                          SBR Sharp
                                                          • 05-03-12
                                                          • 371

                                                          #29
                                                          They did reply to me eventually to my question about why the bet wasn't voided.
                                                          "At the time it was under review was graded, we could do an adjustment to the account but the bet was a winning bet , that's why we didn't deleted."
                                                          So kudos to them for not free rolling and this worked out for me this time, but I am still not comfortable with using "accept line changes only in your favor" and going the report route, so I will wait until this bug is sorted. Will only use for smaller sums until then for testing purposes.
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